LOS ANGELES (CBSLa.com/AP) — Guitarist Jimmy Page testified Thursday that he couldn’t identify the musical elements of the sheet music for the Spirit song “Taurus” that he is accused of lifting for the intro to Led Zeppelin’s “Stairway to Heaven.”

The estate of Spirit’s founder, the late Randy Wolfe, claims Led Zeppelin violated the song’s copyright.

Before concluding his testimony, Page was played “Chim Chim Cher-ee” from the movie “Mary Poppins” and was asked if it was the inspiration for “Stairway.”

He smiled as it was played and said he was familiar with the ditty but it wasn’t his inspiration.

“I think I have said that the chord sequence is very similar because that chord sequence has been around forever,” he said.

In testimony Wednesday, Page said early in Led Zeppelin’s career the band played a medley that borrowed a riff from Spirit.

“Fresh Garbage” from Spirit’s debut album was woven into the jam, “As Long as I Have You,” with its cycle of notes repeated again and again.

“We played it from day one,” Page testified Wednesday. “That was part of a staple diet.”

While the minor hit for Spirit found its way into the band’s early set list, Page said he was unaware of an instrumental from the same album that he is now accused of lifting for the intro to Led Zeppelin’s 1971 hit “Stairway to Heaven.”

The estate of Spirit’s late guitarist, Randy Wolfe, also known as Randy California, contends the famous descending-chord progression that softly begins the crescendo-building “Stairway” was lifted from Wolfe’s “Taurus,” which was released a few years earlier.

Led Zeppelin has settled several similar copyright disputes over hit songs, though “Stairway to Heaven” has generated hundreds of millions of dollars over the years and could provide a windfall if Wolfe’s estate prevails.

Page claimed he didn’t even know he owned Spirit’s self-titled first album until a son-in-law told him comparisons between the tunes were popping up online and he unearthed it in his collection of 10,000 records and CDs. He said he only knew “Fresh Garbage” from hearing it on the radio.

“Something like that would stick in my mind,” Page told the eight jurors in Los Angeles federal court. “It was totally alien to me.”

Attorney Steven Weinberg, a music copyright lawyer who is watching the case but not involved in it, said he found Page charming, confident and well prepared, though not entirely credible in his denial of ever hearing Spirit’s first album.

Weingberg told CBS2’s Randy Paige, the plaintiffs will have to prove their case using sheet music to the recording and that will be difficult for any jury.

“It’s a tremendous difficulty for the plaintiffs,” he believes, “because the original deposit of the sheet music had to be in sheet music form and that’s what the plaintiffs are limited to. So it’s like comparing apples to oranges in this case.”

The use of “Fresh Garbage” in the band’s earliest days lends credibility to the idea that Page and singer Robert Plant liked the band enough to probably know more of its work.

While musical experts not involved in the case have said the two songs are similar, they have also said the sequence is common and has appeared in other pieces from even centuries ago.

Two music experts testified for the plaintiffs Thursday and said the songs were similar.

Perhaps a larger hurdle for the plaintiffs is that the jury must find the recording of “Stairway” substantially similar to the sheet music for the song because that’s what is filed with the U.S. Copyright Office. Videos played in court of other musicians playing the sheet music differ significantly from the recorded version of “Taurus.”

Page acknowledged he liked Spirit and had played their second album, which contained the band’s biggest hit, “I Got a Line on You,” many times.

In answers that sometimes strayed from the scope of the question, Page told of learning to play guitar 60 years ago when he was 12.

He was hired as a studio musician at 17 — seven years junior to the next oldest musician — because he said he understood what younger artists were playing and could supply blues or rock riffs, a talent that put some older guitarists out of work.

Plaintiff’s attorney Francis Malofiy, who had called Page to the stand as a hostile witness, asked if he had a gift with the guitar.

Page, one of rock’s guitar greats, paused for a long moment and finally said, “Well, yeah.” The gallery erupted with laughter at the understatement.

Malofiy cited an interview in which Page was quoted saying Spirit’s music struck him on an emotional level.

Page said he didn’t remember saying that.

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