West Hills Retiree Fined For Cross On Front Lawn; ‘Public Safety’ Cited

WEST HILLS (CBS) — A retired San Fernando Valley woman could face thousands of dollars in zoning fines for erecting a 24-foot-high cross on her property.

Los Angeles Building and Safety inspectors visited the home of Laly Dobener on Thursday after receiving complaints from neighbors and determined she had violated zoning laws by erecting an unpermitted structure, the Daily News reported.

“She has two options,” Building and Safety spokesman Dave Lara told the newspaper. “Option A is that she takes it down and Option B is that she tries to get a permit.”

“This is a public safety issue,” he added.

The 72-year-old retired baker faces an immediate fine of $336 and has 30 days to either dismantle the cross or obtain a permit. Failure to do so could result in up to some $3,000 in fines, the Daily News reported.

Dobener told the newspaper she intends to file the paperwork to comply with city codes so she can keep the symbol of her Catholic faith.

“I don’t want to take this cross down,” she said. “To me it’s an important symbol of my faith. It’s not hurting anyone.”

Her neighbors, however, say the cross has attracted numerous passers-by to the quiet cul-de-sac and is driving down property values, the Daily News reported.

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  • swhitS

    I am not religious but I believe in our Constitution. Her property she paid for it, pays the insurance and the tax she should be able to do what the hell she wants to it.
    Ron Paul 2012! Smaller gov, less regulation and no taxes.

    • Todd Lashley

      Can I have the address and a name to make a check out to. Only the Godless would oppose a womans free speach rights to erect a cross. Safety issue my ass. This is about the wicked and Godless, rising to end times prophecy.

      • Oberon123

        “Godless?” How about not wanting to look at an eyesore? What makes you think you have the right to shove your religion down my throat?

      • CleanFun

        @Oberon123 – Eyesore? Take a look around you. Look at the cities. Look at the people in them. Look in the mirror.

    • espy

      I like Ron Paul to a certain degree, but I feel he is too naive to be president as well as his comments about 9/11 make me hope he is not chosen as the Republican nomination.

      • moral_threat

        @R.T. You really need to do some research on Ron Paul and not listen to everything you read on Fox, MSNBC, etc…

        Ron Paul has 30 years more experience than Obama and understands the economy while also protecting the Constitution and personal liberty.

        If he is not elected, the US will continue it’s descent to third World status and more and more of your rights will be taken away, not to mention your “things” because you have more that Joe Blow.

        Ron Paul is the only politician that has stood by his beliefs for his entire life and is the only one who is not bought & paid for.

        It’s time to fix our country and get some real Change.

        Ron Paul 2012!

      • Hoogly Boogly

        RT Castleberry:

        Not every government program, just the ones that are un-Constitutional. You know what the Constitution is don’t you?

      • R.T. Castleberry

        If by “naive” you mean mad as a hatter, I agree. He wants to do away with virtually every government program since oh, the War of 1812.

      • Hoogly Boogly

        What do you mean his comments about 9/11 are naive? Go to his website, read his books, then read the words written and spoken by those who hijacked the planes as well as OBL’s declaration of war against America. Ron Paul didn’t make anything up and he never said America deserved what it got he’s merely trying to explain blow back to people who refuse to leave their comfort zones. He isn’t naive, he’s just telling you a truth you don’t want to hear.

    • FlDoc

      Including not taking care of theproperty, leaving junk in her yard and how about three or four unused cars up on blocks?

      • Terry Furlough

        It’s ok in “Tha Hood” or “LaBarrio”.. though..

    • Hadley V. Baxendale

      Yeah, zoning laws suck.

    • HOMER J

      It looks UGLY take it down beatch

    • T

      dont know how i feel about Ron Paul yet – but it is her property…. bought n paid for ….If you pay your taxes, and make your mortgage payments – no one should be able to tell you what you can and cant put on it …. now getting a permit to comply with the law is just playing by the rules….she gets her permit, the city is happy – no more fine – all settled…..

      • Chuck

        Mike D.

        Look up the “castle doctrine”, and them come down to Texas and test your theory….

      • smuglydumb

        Mike D is right! Either we violate her constitutionally guaranteed right to free expression of her faith or we have to let people commit murder in their front yards! Baaaaa! Baaaaa!

      • Randolph

        Ron Paul is the only honest politician running for President, and his appeal crosses the lines of Democrat-vs.-Republican. He is the only one who’s not bought and paid for and has a long track record of statesmanship and service to the nation. For that reason, the slime balls all hate him and Fox News even yanked their poll on “Who won the last GOP debate?” since Dr. Paul was winning hands down. Silenced, marginalized… he has a good chance of being elected president. He would be the first true president of the people since JFK. He gets it. He rocks. Just simple honesty and actually deciding for the people instead of the ultra-rich. No other candidate even comes close.

      • Seth Day

        Mike D that is a stupid comment, how does your mind make the jump from cross in the yard to murder. Derrr, nice try

      • R.T. Castleberry

        Shame she didn’t get the permit first. Planning for the construction and planting of the cross must have taken a lot of time, time enough for her to get the permit. As to Ron Paul, he’s taking McCain’s place this election cycle for Cranky Crazy Uncle. If you like the idea of returning to the 18th century, vote Ron Paul.

      • Mike D

        Sorry, bought and paid for or not – you still can’t murder people on your property either…..

      • Mike D

        @Seth Day

        “Mike D that is a stupid comment, how does your mind make the jump from cross in the yard to murder. Derrr, nice try”

        It clearly highlights how property rights do no supersede others rights to things like safety… etc. etc.

        To not grasp this simple point must make you how intelligent now?

      • Craven Poll

        The D in Mikes name stand for dum mass.

      • Magpie

        “no one should be able to tell you what you can and cant put on it ”

        So you would be ok if your next door neighbor erected a 24′ pentagram in their front yard?

      • WakeUp

        Mike D. That IS a stupid staement. Murder is illegal. The Constitution guarantees that her free excersize of religion shall not be infringed. Seems to me that stopping her from having a cross on her own property is infringing in her free excersize of religion and therefore is a violation of her Constitutional guarantee.

      • John Patricio

        WakeUp said: “Mike D. That IS a stupid staement. Murder is illegal. ”

        I say, putting up a cross in your yard without the permits needed is also illegal.

      • Ron`

        I think that this is about zoning laws. What zoning laws are acceptable and what are not? Can one person put up a crummy shack in a nice residential neighborhood? And what does a crummy shack mean and what does nice me? It becomes complicated. And if this is an area zoned residential can a person start a business in a residential zone? I doubt if most people would disagree with some zoning laws if they are the laws that they affirm. However, when we have zoning laws that we don’t agree with or community compacts that are agreed to when we buy a property that say no flags or crosses or such as that on our property – should we dishonor our contract or compact when we put up in our lawns something that violates such an agreement?
        I am a Christian and I have had crosses on my front door. I don’t think that this is as much about Christian faith as it is about, “I’m gong to do what I want to do regardless of what anyone else thinks” I think that this issue is more about love and respect for one’s neighbor then it is about power – or at least should be in my opinion.

      • Aaron Self

        @ Mike D and Seth Day I’m sorry but you might be an idiot Seth, the constitution does not guarantee safety it guarantee freedom.

      • Tim Lucas

        I suppose flag poles and the American flag is next followed by any prayer by anyone. My how you liberals take it upon yourself to protect us from all those symbols you have a problem with in the name of safety. All those claims about property when you lack a study just so you can make your s stick to the wall. I think half the people should leave and the remaining can pay twice the taxes such as Detroit and New York. Ca. is overbearing and full of extremist. Vote with your feet.

      • Oberon123

        So, putting a whor*house on your property should be okay since you bought and paid for it?

    • Moses

      This proves that Government sucks! There is no freedom in America, just TAXES for these government weenies! The Muslims, the illegals, the atheists are tearing America apart and throw in some of the “riot” people that feel like they deserve retribution for slavery that WE the people had NOTHING to do with; it really doesn’t make any sense!! All of these people afore mentioned should be deported if they can’t conform to America!!!

      • Jrock

        Do you mean conform to your religion?

      • Mike D

        This proves that Government sucks! There is no freedom in America…….. All of these people afore mentioned should be deported if they can’t conform to America!!!

        ‘conform to America’ ??!!

        How typical – a rant that complains of ones own freedom while demanding to remove someone elses freedoms.

      • Oberon123

        America is about respect for all people’s beliefs. It seems to me that you are the one who should be deported.

      • abdulman

        muslims have been tearing the U.S. apart?!!! really?????!! theyre less than 2 percent of the population but there so strong that they can tear the U.S. apart?!? nah, me thinks you have hate in your self.

      • Michael

        Where will you deport atheists to? Athganistan?

    • Richard Henkle

      the thing is 24 ft high. She may own the land but she doesn’t own the sky. Why do you need a 24ft high anything on your property, in the valley? Remember that your rights stop when they infringe on others’ rights. I’m all for Ron Paul as well, but this has nothing to do with govt, this has to do with her neighbors that have to look at a 24ft structure all the time now. Freedom involves having responsibility and common decency towards your fellow man as well.

      • T

        @ richard – cant argue with that logic – you do have to use some common sense no matter what you do, and consideration – I think if im not mistaken that symbol is meant as a symbol of peace to her … Im sure being elderly she is probably quite upset about all the comotion….I know my mom would be – and she’s about the same age…..

      • cline

        Actually she does own the rights to the sky over her private property. Only Nasa and the FAA are given a waiver to operate in said area.

      • John

        What she should do is officially turn her house into a church. Have a few people over once a week and read the Bible. This way she can skirt the local busy-bodies, zoning board and government. Then take down the 24 foot cross and erect a 48 foot cross.

        I live in the Salt Lake valley and I can’t drive a half a mile without seeing the steeple of a Mormon ward house or temple…….doesn’t bother me and I’m not LDS.

      • Oberon123

        Well, it would bother me, but I’m not supid enough to move there. People who buy houses need to check out zoning restrictions, HOA restrictions, and any other restrictions before they buy. If they don’t like what they find, buy someplace else. I don’t want to buy in an area expecting that there are restrictions on some clown building a cross in his/her front yard and then have to look at the darned thing. What happend to MY rights, which I check out before buying?

      • Max

        What can be 24 feet high? A two story house, trees,, a satellite dish hooked to a house, utility lines and etc. Do you think that all things that are 24 feet tall be removed? Or do you just want that mean old cross removed because you are offended? Do you really think that a cross is more of a danger than a tree? If so you must be a fool.

      • Sammie Jo

        you are absolutely correct! Does she really need a monument that high to remind her she’s a Catholic? What if her neighbor was a practicing witch, and errected a 24 ft pentagram?
        24 ft high is ridiculous, what if there’s an earthquake and it falls and kills someone?
        I wonder if she has all these religious trappings inside her home or is this just a big show?

      • Scotty

        Technically she does own the sky above her house- Real Estate 101 in California…

      • Squid

        Her rights are being infringed upon by her neighbors by insisting she take the cross down.

    • JB

      She’s probably paying property taxes equivalent to a $2 an hour fulltime job, she sure should be able to do what she wants.

    • Charlie Di Bartolo

      A Moslem Democrat President, Hussein Obama, allows a terrorist Mosque to be built on site of Twin Towers is proof enough that he supports Moslems and all terrorist are Moslems, that is a proven fact. Charlie

      • Steven Cornea

        no he supports peoples right to do whatever they want, thats what makes this country great.

        if you believe this, then you shouldn’t vote.

        simple as that.

      • f46calif

        Charlie is correct!

      • Oberon123

        You’re about as sick, and uninformed, and misguided, as they come.

      • apu

        the mosque wasnt even on ground zero it was 2 blocks away and there already is a mosque close by, nice try charles.

    • ajax44

      You have a point. She had paid her dues for her property and she can do whatever she wants with it. However, no one i s asking her to renounce her faith, they are simply asking her to comply with the laws of the community to make sure that everybody’s happy. http://www.Survive-Pack.com

    • John Fisher

      If this were a flagpole, I’m certain no one would have said anything. People need to buck up, shut up and move on.

      • CRT on the Beach

        Until you put a US flag on it…

      • LarryG

        There is no shortage of busybodies. There will always be someone around to make a stink about something just to satisfy some malignant desire to torment somebody.

    • Al Schork

      @ Mike D Too bad it isnt a phallic symbol, it would go from a health hazard to a lollipop for you and your ilk !!!

    • RSA9999

      I have never understood why the front yard of any house cannot be enclosed. I have bought and paid for it and cannot use it like I use my back yard. What a thought – actually having the use of my front yard instead of it being treated like communal property. Go Ron Paul, you have my vote too!!!

    • Spanky

      “Ron Paul 2012!”

      At age 77, Paul would be the same age starting in office that Reagan was upon leaving it.

      Paul is just too old to be elected.

      • moral_threat

        Ron Paul is the only one who can change this country. We have never in history been more divided than we are now and it will only get worse if we keep electing the same bozos over and over.

        Obviously, someone younger was only able to hasten the decline of our once great nation.

        The media needs to wake up and pay more attention to him.

        So far, this has not been the change anyone was hoping for:

    • freecheese

      swgutS: You’re soooooooo right. I would like to say that this could happen only in goofy Kollifornia, but not so anymore.

    • Zod Cranards

      Mike d is an idiot.

    • Zod Cranards

      Christ haters can’t be argued with because it is bointless to argue with fools

    • DaveyB

      I certainly agree Ron Paul is the only politician in a long while that understands property rights and how protecting them protects freedom. The reason this woman (and all of us) have to get permits and pay property taxes is because we do not own it. Yes you may own the buldings but the State owns the land. If you are paying these it is because you are in a volntary contract with the State. You do not posess allodial title. As long as you dont own property free and clear you are not free. Contract rights are an important function in the American Republic, but many people have been misled and coerced into voluntarily entering into contracts with their government, surrendering their liberty with the signature.

    • art ross

      In this country we don’t own property we only have the to pay taxes on it.

  • H8Rs

    That’s because non-Christians are in power and their agenda is to destroy Christianity.

  • citizen

    F the city.

    • Enoch_Root

      F the Fed govt. I would urge them to proceed with extreme caution. 25% unemployment means a lot of patriots have a lot of time on their hands.

  • cluelessinky

    I find it amusing that the neighbors are blaming Ms. Dobener for lower property values. I suggest that the values are lower becasue of local , state and federal government interventions.

  • Mike D

    “she had violated zoning laws by erecting an unpermitted structure”

    Oh – so it DID NOT have anything to do with it being a ‘cross’ then – shame on you CBS… this ‘spin’ headline is duely noted.

    • Mannie

      Yes and no. I suspect some cranky neighbor complained purely because it was a Christian cross.

      But a 24 foot high cross is a significant structure. I wouldn’t want it to fall over on me during a windstorm, or the patibulum (the cross bar) to fall on my head. So the City does have a valid concern. It ought to be looked at by a building inspector.

      • Mike D

        “It ought to be looked at by a building inspector.”

        A call for yet more government? whos gonna pay for the expertise to decide how safe it is… easier to say – take it down and avoid any and all possible liability.

      • John Fisher

        The only difference between where she is now and where she can supposedly be if her permit is approved is that she will have to pay money for the application, pay for the permit, and still keep it where it is and how it is. Public safety isn’t a concern here, it seems. Only money and religion.

    • Mara

      But they get so much more traffic if they imply discrimination against the poor beleagured majority….and boy are people biting at the bait!! It can’t *possibly* be a zoning issue, it MUST be a religious infringement problem because it’s a CROSS fer god’s sake!

  • Roger

    I’m a Christian evangelical pastor who is quite ocnservative, so I am by no means biased against the cross or what this woman is trying to do.

    However, she is clearly violating the law. Is it her property? Yes, but that does not mean that ‘anything goes’. Were she to have raw sewage on her lawn, or a meth lab in her basement, we could all agree that the use she has chosen for her property is negatively affecting her neighbors. It sounds like the same applies here, if a 24 foot cross in someone’s lawn is driving down home values (entirely possible), then her neighbors are very reasonable in asking her to take down said cross.

    Furthermore, as a Christian, I would think her relationship with her neighbors should be more important to her than erecting a giant cross to repel them.

    • Silly Millie

      Finally, a voice of reason!

    • michele

      If she were a conservative evangelical Roger would be out there Bible in hand showing support. Being that she is of the Catholic faith, he compares her cross to raw sewage and a meth lab. Hey Rog it looks like your Christianity is based on your dislike of Catholics. Your raw sewage comment is a 24 ft tall symbol of it

      • Magpie

        I suspect people don’t dislike you because you’re Catholic. I suspect they don’t like you because you are an unpleasant person with a huge chip on your shoulder.

    • AJ

      The neighbors should feel the same way about her. Leave the cross alone..

    • TroyG

      Have you never heard “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s?”

      I doubt that the Rev is a moron, but you on the other hand…

    • Jrock

      Wow finally a Christian that believes in Christian values.

      • Mara

        hear, hear!! A lot of these ‘christians’ on the forum seem to forget Matthew 6:5….

    • king1

      Where is your church so I can warn people about you

    • Meredith H.

      To Roger the pastor: Christian-check;conservative-check; evangelical-check;anti-Catholic-check and double check. That’s why you don’t support her or her cross.

      • Mike D

        “anti-Catholic-check and double check. That’s why you don’t support her or her cross.”

        You really do put the ‘ass’ in assumptions don’t ya.

    • RNGH

      I recon you would have been against ole Noah’s boat too…. But that was different because he was doin’ what God told him. But we know for sure God didn’t tell anyone in California to build a cross in their front yard because they love and honor His Son. Don’t we Rev.? The guy down the street from me has one in his yard, but I think God told him to.

    • Mitch


    • Matt

      Wow, one of the few intelligent comments on here, and you get flamed by every nutball on the web. I guess that’s what happens when Drudge posts a link to a story: all the loons come to call.

      You’re absolutely correct, Roger. Just because it’s your property does not mean you are free to do anything you want on it. You cited several good examples. I would add that you cannot create a public nuisance on your property either by — for example — blasting loud music at all hours, running a kennel in your backyard, or hosting a nudists’ convention on the front lawn.

      Roger’s point has nothing to do with Protestant vs. Catholic; it has to do with common sense. A number of years ago, a woman in a local neighborhood (Huntington Harbor, CA) was finally arrested and fined after years of keeping her front lawn completely littered with rubbish bags and all sorts of junk, this in an area where homes go for well over $1M apiece. What you do to your front lawn does have an impact to people around you, especially when you live in cramped quarters like we do. Forget about the cross for a second, and say instead it was a huge flag pole with a 20 ft. wide American flag flying on it. It’s completely out of proportion to the neighborhood and, yes, it could pose a danger to the community. You can still love this country without needing to slap everyone in the face with a gigantic flag, and you can still love your God without advertising it with a gigantic, gaudy cross.

      • ImChaz

        Has the location of said cross been established? Is it sufficiently removed from property lines and sidewalks to prevent injury to anyone but the owner? Without this knowledge, it is impossible to ascertain “danger to the community”. For those that assume the Catholic vs Christian angle, remember that being a Catholic doesn’t mean you are not Christian any more than being a Baptist means you are.

    • Mike D

      “Furthermore, as a Christian, I would think her relationship with her neighbors should be more important to her than erecting a giant cross to repel them.”

      As an atheist, I desperately need to thank you for being the one to say this.

      • CLAUDE


      • Enoch_Root

        a Cross “repels” only the Godless. perhaps they ought to consider how it is possible that they are repelled by a Cross.

    • Trisha Doherty

      You pegged why I am no longer a christian. I do not give a damn about my neighbors and do not even want to klnow their names, however, I do not butt into their business and I will terrorize their existance if they butt into Mine!

    • CleanFun

      But what kind of individual is repelled by a symbol of love, sacrifice, and forgiveness? We could speculate and say a muslim or an atheist, both of whose agenda for her to take her cross down is just as personal as her agenda to put it up.

      One thing is certain, it doesn’t really have to do with property value. That makes the antagonist a liar. They’re also likely a hater of Christ and the moral values that he tried to teach.

      I say get the permits and repel them right out of your neighborhood.

  • Daniel Goodman

    Another effort by government to sqelch two Constitutionally-protected rights, in this case speech and religion using an implausible rationale. Is the cross going to fall on someone or will a low flying aircraft strike it? Baloney!

  • Jesus Christ

    You have to have a permit, why does she think she is special to get around the law? Some of you idiots think its ok to build a structure without a permit and avoid having it inspected to make sure it doesnt fall over and cause damage to another person’s property or even worse, their body? Are you people really that stupid?

    • TroyG

      These people aren’t stupid J.C., you are only a sheep who thinks Government inspectors actually make anything safe. I’ll bet you love the labels on your food too, and your safe car, and your right to pay onerous taxes.
      Yep, you are just a little sheep.

    • king1

      Geewiz jesus I didnt expect you to call people stupid. that is not very christian.

      • Tired of TROLLS

        You and he are no Christians so why worry idiot?

    • Land Surveyor

      Well Dill Weed,
      I wonder if the person at 7200 Hyannis Drive got a permit for their 20+ foot flag pole (just to make it safe)? How about all those “illegal” basketball hoops? Need a permit to make them safe too. Might check on the lawns on the block. Looks like some of them have far to many dandelions to be permissible. I think I will just have a glance at the zoning laws; they are available on line. Want to bet that we can’t find just what “rule” she has broken?

  • Mark Matis

    May the God damned pigs rot in hell for what they have done to this country!

  • Mohamed Salem

    A muslim is already labeled as a terrorist isn’t that enough already? why are you even refering to a muslim here?
    The question is, does how big the cross is show how much you beleive? comeon already!!!

    • sanjo kafir

      If I were a Muslim in America today, I would not be shooting off my mouth, or anything else for that matter.

    • Jake

      All Muslims follow the teaching of a pedophile. Prophet Muhammad was a pedophile.

    • M Townsend

      No it is not enough. We have been repeatedly killed and attacked by Muslims. The last thing we need is your sophmoric comments on the subject



    • TheStevens

      What a moronic comment. Who labels all Muslims in this country as terrorists? Nobody. But there is no doubt that a blatant left wing effort is underway to slam Christians. Meanwhile, they bend over backwards to allow any and eery form of Muslim worship.

      I wonder, Mr. Mohamed Salem, how many of your Muslim friends think Jews should be removed from Israel.

    • Tired of Islamic Victomhood

      Stop playing the victim. Muslims have been babied and protected from any and all insults by both the government and the media. Grow a pair, act like a man and mind your own business.

    • Tallron47

      Does the size of the bomb or the gallonage of blood show the depth of your faith? The muslims who denounce violent jihad are not so labeled, but they are rare since the killing of the fakir is a holy sacrament of your faith.

    • Scott Martin

      Tribal comments like that are from terrorists…I am a Christian married to a Muslim woman and she is no tribal person, neither is her family…

      Stop being tribal and your pain will end…

    • Alaine Debreaux

      Not how big the cross is or who’s labeled a terrorist…….the point is that Christians are being beaten down, little by little, while Muslims and Hispanics are given the red carpet covered with free food, health care, education, don’t have to remove their veils for license pictures, are allowed swim in public pools with all their robes that they wear on the street, and the right to do whatever else they wish. Christians are told to shut up or they will OFFEND these leeches……don’t forget, these foreigners get all the free stuff right out of your tax money! Why are you so blind?

      • Steve

        LOL christians are being beaten down? I’m gonna assume your joking cause only a complete moron would make a comment like that.

        open up your door and step outside in the world with the rest of us.

        please don’t vote…..ever.

      • CleanFun

        But you voted for Obama. There has never been a less educated voter base than the one you are affiliated with.

  • RVT1000

    The problem is not the symbol it is the size of the symbol. Let her paint all the crosses she wants to on the walls inside her house if she wants to. Nobody needs a cross as big as a two story house in their yard and her neighbors should not have to look at it.

    • Kevin

      So what do YOU think we should have in our front yard so we can go right out and get it?

    • CleanFun

      Under that exact same logic, we shouldn’t have to look at the way you chose to landscape your yard. Or the color you chose to paint your house. Maybe it’s offensive 1 or 2 people. Of course, we could always choose to simply not look at it.

  • mark edward marchiafava

    LOL, another example of stupid Amerikans thinking everyone must work to increase THEIR property values. Get a life, already.

    • Mark

      LOL, another stupid basement dweller living off of Mommy trying to sound intelligent.

      • CleanFun

        He makes a point Mark. That’s something you clearly failed to accomplish.

  • peterfitzen

    “driving down property values” Take a look around there are no property values anywhere. And by what cars, its a street that’s what it is for! Sometimes I think people should kill themselves and save the world from their dumbness…

    • Oberon123

      Why don’t you start that trend and kill your own stupid self for starters?

  • Countrygirl1362

    Does this apply to all displays? Chirstmas light, pumpkins at halloween and so on. Time for people to start flooding the Building and Safety inspectors in the area with phone calls on all displays on private property. Some of those decorations cause people to drive around to look at them, same thing as what is happening with this lady.

    • Jrock

      Get real. If a muslim put up a 24ft anything in their front yard you would be the first one here crying.

      • Terry Furlough

        And you’d be the first to defend it,

      • Enoch_Root

        well, until she can place that Cross at Ground Zero your comparison is hollow.

    • Asides

      If it were permanent year round then yes it would. Think how annoying that would be if every night your neighbors put up lights that shone into your house. This though is simply an all day blight. Look forget it’s symbolism for a moment and imagine if there were a honking big radio mast or pylon in your neighbors backyard, and you were living in one of these small suburban areas. It’s not going to be good.

      Also – enough from the other guy with his obsession with Muslims, seriously, get over yourself.

      • Terry Furlough

        “This though is simply an all day blight. ” The only time the cross is considered a blight, is when it offends atheists and moon-god followers like you.

  • Blood Runs Irish 1916

    More convinced than ever a full blown revolution is coming.

    • Kevin


  • Off With Their Heads

    The funniest thing I heard about was something similar, but it was a giant sign on some guy’s front yard. The city, as usual, power-tripped and threatened ridiculous fines. Guy moves sign to bed of pickup truck parked in driveway and they can’t touch him.

    • Alex

      Sounds like a smart guy!

  • Sau Sage Fingerz

    LOL! I hope she gets fined until she’s broke and gets put out on the street. Rules are rules, you don’t get to disregard those you don’t like simply because you are an old crotchety religious coot.

    • Mitch

      I hope that you suffer an impacted hemorrhoid.

  • king1

    No reverand the law is unjust they are denying her right to practice her religion something in her is telling her that she needs to do this. I pray for you because of the harm you do by coming her and posting this giving ammunition to those don’t believe or even hate our lord. This is your opinion but you need to understand that by being a reverand a man of the cloth you are called to higher standard not just through your opinion out which makes me wonder are you really a reverand or just saying that.

    • Rod Anders

      @king1 – My religion demands that I have sex with underage girls. Now what?

      • Neil

        Then your religion would be for rape which is against the law and the lady’s cross is just a zoning issue not even a crime. See one is evil, sick and against the law and the other, well it isn’t any of those.

      • The Sage Waitress

        Tell it to the judge, Rod.

      • cm

        that would make you a typical liberal. radical leftists have suceeded in lowering the age of consent, and placing porn into the hands of schoolchildren in several states already.

      • queen B

        Every time a liberal dies, a flower blooms.

    • Reverend Rev

      She doesn’t “need” a cross that’s taller than her house – and which can fall over and hurt somebody.

      • Ronald

        People don’t need cars that can kill people either. Get off your fat ass and ride a bicycle.

  • Gordon Wagner

    Does she have a Facebook page? I’d happily contribute some money to her.

  • Ben Doverhereitcomes

    It was obviously a safety concern for her freedom.

  • Rosemary Peppercorn

    I think you should all erect 24-foot crosses in your own front yards in protest.

  • Regulated To Death

    I’m really stunned to see people comparing the placement of a large cross on someone’s own property with murder, raw sewage, and a meth lab on someone’s own property. Some of these comparisons were even listed by a so-called Christian pastor.

    Show some compassion and just let this elderly woman be, for Heaven’s sake. The woman is right: the cross isn’t hurting anyone. The problem lies inside the hearts and minds of some who view it.

    A public safety issue? Good grief, living proof what happens when a person of small character obtains a little power.

    • Alex

      If a structure does not comply with the city building code, it must be brought up to standard for safety reasons or be dismantled. I don’t like government interference in anything, but the city does have a point in that such a structure may in fact constitute a hazard to others should it fall on another. I don’t like pickly HOAs either, but one of their purposes is to maintain property to insure that the values of its member’s home are reasonably secure. You can’t park cars on the lawn of most developments, change oil in the street or operate a car repair business out of your garage. This lady should have some consideration for her neighbors. She would be better advised to keep her religion to herself and not inflict it on other people. That is simply courtesy.

      • Regulated To Death

        First, Alex, there is no HOA in this case, but nice try. A CITY inspector has decided it’s a “public safety issue.” Yet he omits to cite HOW it’s a public safety issue. In light of the media attention I find the omission suspicious. Clearly this elderly woman didn’t erect the cross herself, but someone had to have done it for her. It’s quite possible the cross was erected by someone very familiar with safetly laws and did so well withing safety standards. It is the CROSS that seems to be the issue, NOT safety.

        In that vein you’ve also made it clear from your other comments that it’s the CROSS that you have an issue with, as well. I’d like to point out that every time one of you atheistic cult members forces someone to put away their cross it is YOUR religion that is inflicted on others. That woman’s cross is on HER property, not yours. You and your ilk need to stop forcing people to display YOUR atheism.

    • Terry Furlough

      Shut down all housing projects.. due to the number of murders, drugs and crime that take place there.. they are a safety hazard..

  • John McGraw

    I an sick of these power hungry home owner groups taking away people’s freedom.

    • Mara

      and I’m sick of so-called christians getting their panties all in a wad when they’re asked to follow the same zoning rules as anyone else.

      • Alex

        I could not agree more! Bravo!

    • Alex

      They agreed to the HOA CC & Rs before they purchased the property. If you don’t want to comply with the rules then don’t buy there! Simple. Most rules are enacted for safety and to preserve property values. Apparently this lady does not care about these important issues as is evidenced by her lack of a permit.

    • Oberon123

      Then don’t buy property in a place that has a homeowners’ group. And don’t buy property in any place that has zoning restrictions. I’m sure you can find a nice place on the moon where you can have your crack lab and 50-foot cross and cars up on blocks and nobody will bother you.

  • Thomas Manning

    How large must a cross be for it to be called a structure? If the code does not specify then any yard sign must also be considered a structure and those property owners fined!

    • Mike D

      Well – its not just how ‘large’ – there is ‘weight’ – its the ‘weight’ that kills people when things fall over.

      But yeah – we can look at weight, height and its base area to tell if something can withstand XXX pounds of force (wind etc) to see if it can be knocked over.

      But its up to the home owner to prove its structurally sound and safe – not the city/gov’t. the gov’t is there to make sure you DO prove it is safe.

      • Terry Furlough

        Stay put of the woman’s yard.. it’s not public property, you good for nothing busy body twerps…. go pick up trash or paint a mural.. in other words MYOFB!!

  • Tanner

    I’m erecting a statue of a naked John Holmes wrestling Jesus Christ… It’ll be up to code and if it offends you sorry. Free country right? Idiots. Keep your muslim, christian, catholic, straight, gay, atheist, agnostic belief’s to yourself. Can nobody assimilate to what would be considered the norm anymore? Would you like a cross in your yard? Then build a 5 foot one and plant it in your backyard. You can worship it to your little hearts content. I worship boobies but you don’t see a 24 foot set of naked mounds in my front yard. Only my wife’s 36 D’s in the bedroom…

    • Mara

      preach on, brother!!

    • Sammie Jo

      while you are speaking with sarcastic humor, you are entirely right, the cross is only okay with those who worship it, but put up something they don’t worship and the furor will begin anew.

    • ronpaulforpresident2012

      Please please put 24ft mounds in your front yard. And, then post the pictures for all to see. After that, run for President. Boobies boobies boobies hehehhehehehehehehehahahahahahah

    • Mike D

      “Can nobody assimilate to what would be considered the norm anymore?”

      no, but that’s a good thing.

      Look, We are criticizing religion and still alive to talk about it – I call that progress.
      I think, conforming to the norm prevents such progress.

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