Citizen Ticketed For Directing Traffic After Police Fail To In South Pasadena

SOUTH PASADENA (CBS) — We’ve all heard the saying: no good deed goes unpunished . . . and that’s exactly what happened to a South Pasadena resident who was issued a ticket by police for his charitable act.

When a major traffic light in the area went out Thursday morning, Alan Ehrlich took matters into his own hands, directing traffic at Fair Oaks and Huntington avenues.

“I grabbed a bright orange shirt that I have and a couple of orange safety flags. I took it upon myself to help get motorists through that intersection faster,” said Ehrlich.

Before Ehrlich stepped in, traffic was backed up for more than a mile and it took more than 30 minutes to get through the busy intersection.

Ehrlich said the Sept. 8 incident wasn’t the first and that the light goes out regularly.

“It was just kind of chaos of cars . . . there were stop signs up. But people were challenging each other to get through the intersection,” said Richard Gerrish who works at an office located at the intersection.

Gerrish said Ehrlich cleared up the mess in 10 minutes. After 15 minutes, South Pasadena police say they finally received a call about their newest traffic officer.

Police responded to the scene and told Ehrlich to stop and issued him a ticket, but never stepped into direct traffic themselves.

“I don’t know if this ticket is $50 or $400 dollars. It’s a small price to pay for the greater good,” Ehrlich said.

South Pasadena Police Chief Joe Payne said he did not have the man power needed to staff officers at Fair Oaks and Huntington Thursday and that is safer to allow traffic to back up.

“We have limited resources . . . we need to prioritize them. One of the major intersections out at rush hour in our city should be a priority,” Ehrlich added.

He already has plans to address the matter at an upcoming city council meeting.

Police and the city of South Pasadena say they currently have no plans to change any procedures.

  • Wow

    Well, as usual, it isn’t until someone else is doing your job, that you decide to respond. There’s no excuse not to have a traffic officer out there for that long a period of time. I say good for that man and shame on the police department…lazy.

    • Ronny Hollywood

      We have cops abusing our citizens like this and yet we have millions of illegals running wild under protection of our government and getting all sorts of government freebies! What is wrong with this picture folks?

      Join the American Third Position today and let’s take this country back for real Americans!

      • Deb

        You are so right, good call.

    • Brent

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      Do it today!

  • Pepe Esparza

    “gooder”? Don’t you mean “better”? They let anyone be a cop nowadays..

    • rich

      dude who ever posted the comment under the name FULLERTON PD was clearly being a smart ass and is not actually a cop

    • Pedro


      You can VOTE, but please don’t breed

    • goodkid1

      Pepe……up to you but you but you might wanna read the post again, and try and see the author is not really police, and is pointing out in his humorous witty way that cops are dumb and lazy. :)

    • AJ

      You’re right Pepe. Anyone can be a cop even if you can’t write the right words. As long as you can issue a ticket for this kind of thing then you’re good to go. It’s amazing how they were supposed to serve and protect but I dont think so…..

    • Pepe is lame

      It was meant as a joke Pepe.

    • Phil Mckracken

      Pepe – It’s sarcasm.
      Sarcasm is like saying “Pepe is smart” – Get it?

  • Jorge

    You’re so right about the Chief. Issuing a ticket to a guy who actually did something good for the community is just embarrassing.

  • Gator

    Problem is, most officers today treat traffic direction as not very cop-macho. Yesterday, when traffic was grid locked for miles in South Orange County, there wasn’t a Deputy or a CHiP to be seen, unless you were at the Starbucks in Laguna Hills. I’ve seen five Deputies standing on the sidewalk by San Clemente High School during a graduation when the traffic on Pico was backed up onto the freeway. “Not my job” attitude was readily apparent.

    I don’t know where you went to the Basic Academy, but the one I taught in for 14 years spent exactly 1 hour on “Traffic Control.” That was several years ago now and I’d bet there is NOTHING in the Basic any more.

    This day and age even professional law enforcement agencies need good PR; this wasn’t anything but petty.

    • Astonished

      One whole hour huh? Wow!

      Traffic Officers in the City of Los Angeles are required to do two weeks of traffic control training! And some of them still can’t do it right!

  • goodkid1

    I used to sail with an LAPD heavy weight who, when among friends, would allow that out of any five police officers, there is usually one saint, two average guys…and two deviants that should never have been given a badge. That situation is way below the merits of our own citizenry. And if I hear one more cop whine about how hard his job is, I think I’ll kill myself. Just make space for a better man and quit the force!

    • Floyd

      I once heard that the only difference between a crook and a cop is that the cop has a uniform.

      • James

        @cardgage: I’ll give you the majority aren’t corrupt. But not the vast majority, which makes it sound even rarer.

        But that’s not the only issue. You don’t have to be corrupt to be a rotten cop. You can follow the letter of the law and not have the best interests of the citizenry at heart. This story, for instance, contains no corruption, but it’s still an outrage that cops actually did this.

      • cardgage

        You once heard that, eh? Why would you repeat such drivel? There are corrupt cops, but the vast majority are not. what this town is dealing with are some small-minded bureaucrats.

      • Clearjump

        Yeah – you heard that from a crook

      • kitt

        @cardgage: I agree

      • sofa

        95% give the other 5% a bad name

      • traderbob

        I like the comment about the “small-minded bureaucrats” but isn’t that a bit redundant?

      • Kevin Wells

        @cardgage: Are you familiar with the phrase, “one bad apple spoils the bunch”? Innocent cops covering up for corrupt cops… aren’t innocent. Sorry, bro.

      • plutosdad

        If the good cops protect the bad ones, then the good cops are also bad.
        Cops refuse to testify against other cops, encourage witnesses to drop charges against cops.
        And then when a cop DOES testify against another cop, no matter how bad that other cop is, that good cop suddenly finds himself without backup when he needs it.
        So no, even though there are only a few “bad” cops, the rest of them protect those bad cops and punish any good cop who stand up to him. Their solidarity is more important than being good. That makes them no longer good.

      • Bob LaBlah

        Cardgage is an obvious cop-worshipper, still begging for daddy’s elusive approval. If cops are so great, why is it that, for five times I’ve legitimately needed LAPD help in the past forty years, these uniform-wearing idiots have NEVER done what they were supposed to? Unless they’re collecting revenue, cops not only drop the ball…they don’t even know there’s a ball in play!

    • Roy Klopfenstein

      To stay in the system a policeman must either have below average inteligence or be inteligent enough to pretend below average inteligence. Some time ago a man was rejected by the Hartford police because of excessive IQ. He was promptly hired in San Francisco. Even more tragicly, the teacher’s unions enforce similar standards. If a citizen, interacting with a policeman, uses words of more than one sylable, that citizen will be in danger of being taken in for psychiatric evaluation. Be careful, stupidity is the most dangerous enemy we have.

      • Barry Legal

        And, apparently, the best defense…

    • ScorchedSean

      The So. Pas. police dept. charged me $0.45 to print a police report, and on-top of it, gave me the wrong report and have never returned my calls to acquire the right report for my (total-loss) fire disaster last year.

      Another wonderful experience I had there was when they wanted to charge me $25 to perform a fixit (registration tag) ticket inspection, and $10 to clear the ticket once approved.

      For a city with prime real estate and the tax revenue to match, I am curious which city officials are to blame for these resource issues.

    • Dirty Harry

      Small Balls, even smaller brains.

      “Personnel, personnel is for a**holes”
      “Callahan, I’ll have you know I spent over 10 yrs in personnel”
      “Figures, see what I mean?”

  • Done and done

    Everyone go rent Police Academy 4 Citizens on Patrol. Now, if you had a program like that, without the equivalent of today’s political party as volunteers in the movie, we may see more responsible citizens step up and help out when the city is in a bind. Binding they are, oh political collective heads of knuckle and what this town needs is an enema. Stretching country wide. Our government is to clogged up with S*%! that we need to do a cleansing.

    • John

      Bobcat signed me up for Citizens on Patrol, and we’re still going.

  • James

    Let’s all send them an e-mail and let them know what we think of their recent actions.

    • von Dutch


  • goodkid1

    It’s called DISCRETION. A good cop would have thanked him, warned him about his liability if an accident occurred, and sent him on his way. But no…they went about it in the same stupid way so MANY cops handle things these days. Just like recently, when in another Los Angeles suburb, a group of citizens violating some guys rights in some way, so they took pictures of the event. What was the cops response? They went back the next day to that street with a tape measure and started ticketing any car that was not parked exactly within the 8 inch to 16 inch distance from the curb. Who in the world hires these thin-skinned insecure sociopaths, and then gives them a gun? Do the chiefs have the same thug mentality that are shown every day in their subordinates….or what? I am confused…..

    • Palmer1943

      Well stated. It’s a good thing Mr Ehlrich did not try to video tape the incident, you know these nut jobs would have really tried to crucify him. Where is the common sense?

    • Tony

      You’re right… Cops have discretion. But did we all fail to address the part that someone called them to complain about Mr.Ehrlich? When I call the cops and want them to take care of a traffic or noise issue, I want people fined so they don’t do it again. Not some stupid warning so that the people will continue their behavior as soon as the cop goes away. Again, I fault the City. Not the actions of the officer.

      • Alan E repsonds

        Tony, I don’t believe it was a citizen who called the police department to complain, but more likely a Parking Enforcement Officer who ratted me out.. Note, the PEO was able to get through the intersection in a timely manner because I had cleared the traffic backup.and made no effort to stop and assist or issue me a warning. No doubt because their job description was strictly parking enforcement and no doubt they were not expertly trained in traffic control.

      • bigwhitedog

        Dear Alan E.

        Thank you for your service on this 9/11 weekend. You’re always welcome in Aliso Viejo, Orange County. To the rest of the LEO’s (including my brother in U.S.Customs), thanks for making our country LESS safer. There’s a war coming, the people vs. LEO’s. Which side will you be on?

    • goodkid1

      Sorry about my writing above. It should be……..a group of citizens watching the COPS violating some guys rights……. my bad, my dumb….. lolol.

    • J.R Dobbs Jr.

      @Tony- You mean they called and wanted to know why they should pay your near six figure salary when a civilian was doing your job better than you do it for free. I suppose we should applaud your forbearance….you only played Revenooer with him rather than tazing or shooting the guy dead for defying the Will of the State.

    • Rick G

      Tony, it is not really about what you want.

      The police are supposed to have enough good judgement (If they don’t, they certainly should not be allowed to carry guns) to make a decision on the spot as to whether the guy is helping or hurting the situation. If it is just some nut in the middle of the intersection waving his arms, he should be removed. If the guy knows how to direct traffic, he should be told, “Thank you” and left alone.

      Just because a citizen– even if that citizen is you– makes a call to police, that does not mean the citizen knows best.

  • Officer Payne

    South Pasadena prides itself in being a small city with its own PD. So that means that there should be plenty of fuzz to protect and “serve” the citizens. South Pasadena is a joke.

  • Jeff

    If you would spend this much time and energy on fixing the problems this country in dealing with real problems (e.g. healthcare reform, immigration issues, jobs, people losing their homes, etc), maybe things would start changing. But you would rather waste time on some idiotic, so called “news story” about some guy getting a citation for standing in the middle of the street. WHO CARES!!!!!! It must have been a very, very, very, slow news day.

    If the whiner baby doesn’t like getting the citation, go to traffic court. Its his right, just like everyone, to take the matter to court. If the judge dismisses the citation the big whiner is out no money. If he is found guilty, suck it up, pay it, and move on. I can’t believe all of this nonesense and what people waste their time on. Next thing you know, one of you will want a statue of him to be put up!!!!! Amazing!!!!!!

    Tony, there is no need to argue with these people. Its obvious by the comments they don’t like the police because they probably have gotten a ticket, or arrested, for something and they blame the police for the law they violated.

    • The Musket

      And even if he is out ‘no money’, he is still out his time. There is more to life than money.

      This topic is exactly what we need to hear more about. It’s the creeping nanny state, the creeping ‘you need a trained expert’ that is killing our country. Healthcare, immigration, jobs, etc – are all just a symptom of the government taking control in such an idiotic way.

      We are a nation that chooses to be governed, not a nation that is ruled. We need to remember it and fight back in every way at our disposal.

    • joey

      It’s the unthinking elitist sadist thinking by jerks like you who have people hating cops. The fact you pigs thinks you can push people around sickens the mind. You’re no American who Swore to uphold the constitution. Don’t cry next time the taxpayers vote to cut your funding.

    • Sybill

      Jeff, How do you know this man is out no money? He might very well have to take time off work to respond to the petty and malicious ticket. Whether or not he is out money, he has to make time.

      Based on your post, I presume you to be a police officer. It’s cops like you who are to blame for the hostility between cops and the citenzry. It’s no longer “to protect and serve.” It’s now become “I’m carrying a gun, and you’ll do as I say.”

    • Jeff M

      Look at the cop blowing up! go get a donut and shut up.

    • RJ O'Guillory

      No Skippy,…

      …..we don’t “hate the police” because we got a “ticket or something”,…
      we hate the police who have become more and more like the “secret police” of our upbringing,…the type of folks who act like they belong as the bad guy on a tacky “mission Impossible” episode from the 1970s,…we hate the police because the majority of them are directly corrupt, or are complicit in the corrupt actions of fellow police officers.

      …we hate the police because they are being used to cram a fascist environment and culture down our throats and we are no longer going to stand by and allow that to happen,…we hate the police because they think they can beat, abuse and violate our rights,…and they think they can continue to do so without paying a price!

      The best part is that corrupt police around the country are beginning to pay a price,…either through disciplinary actions brought on by the citizens, or by being shot dead by the citizens whom they claim to be protecting.

      …Jeff,..if you’d really like to understand the deep hatred most Americans have developed for their,.. “police forces”,…perhaps you should go back and try to understand what America was supposed to be about,..?

      I know sometimes learning new information about the Constitution and realizing how dense we have been in the past can be difficult to deal with,…but I’m sure with a little effort,…and grown-up experience,…maybe you’ll just mature into a thinking citizen,…instead of the uninformed plant you seem to have grown into…


      RJ O’Guillory
      Webster Groves-The Life of an Insane Family

      • Pockets64

        I’m not too sure I agree with your claim of everyone hating police.

        However, I would say that in plenty of communities the police are pushing their citizenry down that road. Look at the case of the police ticketing the person who was rushing to the emergency room. Look to Robinson, IL where a guy faces life in prison for standing in his own yard video taping the police. Look to the many cases of police bullying citizens for using cameras in perfectly legal situations.

        I fear more times than not laws are being created on the spot or twisted simply because the officer does not like what he sees.

        That is what will build the environment O’Guillory is talking about. But I don’t think we are in that world yet.

      • kitt

        @RJ O’Guillory , Guess it depends on the company you keep. I don’t think “most Americans” have developed hatred for police. I don’t know a single person who does, and have no acquaintances that I know of who do either, and I know a lot of people and have lived in different states on both coasts.

      • 99guspuppet

        I am 60 years old and have watched the police gain more and more power ….. regulators interfere with daily life …. and unlike crooks, they can often laugh in your face. Cops are no more moral than the average person and often worse.

        I directed traffic once and was making a bad situation better. I bet that is what was happening in this situation.

    • Rick G

      So, you want to whine about fixing healthcare, immigration and whatever, but when a citizen actually does something to try to fix a smaller problem,, you start complaining that it is distracting us from bigger problems.

      Illegal immigration used to be a much smaller problem, but nobody stepped up to fix it. Now it is a big problem.

      This guy saw a small problem and tried to help. But you think he should now have to spend his time defending his actions in court– no problem, you say. It is just his time that is being wasted, so who cares?

      You are not helping. You are the distraction. People like you are the reason others do not step in to help when there is a problem. Yet, you complain that nobody is fixing the country’s problems. What a brilliant argument.

      You might want to take a break and re-think your comments.

    • NerdGirl88

      Jeff, Actually no, I don’t like is because as someone who comes from a family full of good cops, I am sick and tired of bad cops being allowed to make all cops jobs more difficult. Just as with ANY other profession, there are ALWAYS bad employees. Yet, for some reason if anyone remotely suggests a teacher, soldier, or police officer is a bad employee, the response isn’t “Well, maybe they aren’t cut out to be a ________” but to defend and protect the bad employee. Why are these professions somehow immune from any criticism?

      My grandfather (who practically raised me) was a very well-respected cop for over 40 years in one of America’s most dangerous cities. He even had to run the gruesome call of his own father’s murder. He was a training sergeant for many of those years because he wanted to make sure the “newbies” were good. As the years went on, he slowly saw the quality of the typical recruit plummet and therefore the caliper of the average cop follow close behind it. Yet, the departments seemed unconcerned. He finally became fed up with the practice of accepting bad recruits and closing ranks around bad cops. So, he turned down a higher position and retired earlier than anticipated in 1992.

      I have never been pulled over, received a ticket/citation, or ever even been reprimanded by a cop or a security guard for that matter. I briefly considered BECOMING a cop myself at one time since so many are in my family, but did not after sitting in on training and feeling the same disgust my grandfather did.

      So, again, just to reiterate. I’m anti-BAD cop – not anti-cop in general. I am anti-bad cop because I have so much respect for those who are good cops and I am tired of seeing the profession made harder for them because people can’t accept the reality that the police departments are not somehow magically immune from ever having bad employees.

      • twfb

        The few “Good” cops left, better get busy cleaning out all of the bad cops that they usually cover for. I think it’s over the bell curve and 51+% are corrupt. Gee, I can’t tell the good from the bad, because they all look alike to me.

    • Alan E


      If the police chief spent as much time working with the other city leaders and department heads to address and solve the traffic control problem, rather than defending the questionable judgement and actions of his officers (the blue code) and complaining about lack of resources, none of us would be having this discussion. For those with jobs, we’re all living in a world of having to do more with less resources, and probably not too happy about it. But that is the real world, whether you are a private business or government employee. One of the best corporate managers I ever worked for always said, ‘this is what we have to work with, bring me solutions, not excuses.”

      • critic

        thank you, Allen

    • Roy Klopfenstein

      Proactive law enforcement has created an environment where youth of good character do not even consider law enforcement. High ranking police have expressed perplexity that hgh pay and good benifits do not attract and retain the highly motivated; failing to understand that true vocation is not so driven. Thus the police are drawn from the mediocre at best and the sociopathic at worst. If you call 911 you may get a good officer, but if you go about your lawful business you are endanger of attracting the notice of the worst. Therefore law abiding people disproportionately interact with the worst, whom the authorities diligently protect

    • babs

      great idea James!!! Jeff you probably weren’t in that traffic jam! Then you’d be grateful!

    • george

      @Jeff: Haven’t you heard? The problems you cite (healthcare reform, immigration issues, jobs, people losing their homes) have all been solved by Obama already. Check out (1) Obamacare, (2) back-door amnesty of illegals by executive order, (3) “pass this jobs bill now!!”, and (4) sub-prime mortgages doled out like Halloween candy. What is left to solve?

    • roman

      I wonder if the First Responders on 9/11 at Ground Zero felt this way. I doubt it. There are numerous stories of citizens directing traffic during the response, actions that were thanked and praised by the NYPD. These citizens enabled a quicker response. These same citizens took off their coats, rolled up their sleeves and helped direct traffic, move debris, carry stretchers etc. Should they be ticketed? And before you tell me the situations are not the same I would argue that while they are not, certainly the citizens feeling of civic duty was similar. I would hate for my fellow man to sit and look on while they would have otherwise helped because they are afraid of persecution. Shouldn’t we start worrying more about whether some “law” was broken and more about whether a CRIME was committed? Unless this guy caused a worse situation or an accident, what CRIME was committed?

      Ridicules. Again, let’s worry about crime and stop these persecutions of otherwise innocent citizens due to the violation of some nitpicking, authoritarian “law.”

    • plutosdad

      So let’s not fix small problems only large ones?
      Society is built from the ground up, from all the interactions of individuals.
      What good is a country where we have universal healthcare, but everyone is evil to each other as much as they can be within the letter of the law?
      If you want major reforms, we need a society made up of people who want to help each other and are encouraged to do so.

      So you say there are problems with society
      People stand up to fix those problems
      Those people get punished
      What happens with the next even bigger problem, like healthcare?
      What happens when a doctor wants to help a patient but insurance companies nor the government will help?
      It doesn’t get solved, because the people who would help get punished.

  • Dexter

    Half the power in Southern California was out yesterday and traffic signals were out. Naturally traffic backs up. To deify this guy for dressing up like a cal-trans worker and directing traffic is insane. How is this news?

    Also “to protect and serve” is the motto of LAPD, not police in general.

    • PavePusher

      So a citizen steps up to make an improvement, and you castigate people for admiring him?

      Example #1 of what is wrong with U.S. society today: The “Don’t get involved” philosophy.

    • Pockets64

      A guy putting on an orange shirt so he can be seen is dressing up like a cal-trans worker?

      Also, no one is deifying. Just defending a guy who being punished for taking the initiative to fix a bad situation.

      As far as government is concerned, everything should be handled at the smallest level possible. In this case that level was the citizen. However, the larger levels always seem to get upset when a smaller level does the job the larger level refuses to do. I say that since they took a pass, it was up to someone to fix the problem. The larger level lost their right to whine.

      So, yes. The one doing the whining is not the guy who said, “$50 or $400, it doesn’t matter” but the bad apple who wrote the ticket.

      • Alan E


        Amen my brother. Your words are the truth.

    • Moses Brown

      Obviously, it’s not the motto of the South Pasadena Police Department. That’s an absolute certainty!

      • RickVB

        Dexter perfectly exemplifies the difference between a conservative and a liberal – He “deifies” the big public institution, while assigning insanity to any individual showing initiative. Cal-trans workers are somehow capable, while YOU and any other indepent-thinking person is out of line and a nut.

    • Alan E

      Dex, this failed signal had nothing to do with the major power outage that affected Arizona and parts of Southern Cal. This was a very local event. Traffic lights at all adjacent intersections were operating normally.

  • Buffers

    Obviously the coppers were too busy eating donuts to direct traffic!

    • academiamole

      That’s a stale joke.

      • Jeff M

        Says the cop!

      • byebyebarry

        Jeff, you’re obviously pun-impaired.

      • Jeff M

        You dont know what a pun is, apparently. Did you see one somewhere punny man?

  • Robin

    Good Lord! You whiny liberal children can’t even recognize sarcastic humor.

  • Scudbuster

    “South Pasadena Police Chief Joe Payne said he did not have the man power needed to staff officers at Fair Oaks and Huntington Thursday and that is safer to allow traffic to back up.”

    But you had the manpower to send someone to ticket him?

    • J.R Dobbs Jr.

      tickets = Revenue for the State = more overtime for them protecting the liberal elites from thier voter base.

      • Hagbard Celine

        Looks like South Pasedena has a serious lack of slack.

        All Praise Bob!

      • george

        Cops are usually repuke-licans, though.

  • MarkOden

    It must have been against union rules.

  • Ben

    That police chief should lose his job.

  • Coral

    We used to call things like stepping in and directing traffic a “good deed”. We would thank that person for their pro-active help or explain the liability involved in their action although it was meant well. Now we wait for an “authorized” person or we ticket good actions. How stupid have we become?

  • Michael D Baudry

    It has already been “court tested”,,,, Your police dept is a “after the fact” unit…. That is why I never call the police or a atty….. I’ll handle it….
    As Daddy said, ” The only story told at the end of the day will be mine.”

  • Alan

    Big Government = No Common Sense

  • George Marchand

    Protecting their turf

  • Rick

    I wonder who called the police on him in the first place. They were probably obliged to come for liability reasons after someone called them.

    • John Walters

      yup…Lawyers and Accountants have us in a bind

    • Alan E


      As near as I can guess, it wasn’t a ‘citizen’ who called the police to complain. About 10 minutes before the police rolled up, a parking enforcement vehicle passed through the intersection (quickly and easily I might add thanks to my volunteered assistance to improve conditions at the intersection). I have no doubt that it was the Parking Enforcement Officer, who did not himself stop and attempt to assist, who called it in to Dispatch.

  • David

    I think the idiot officer(s) who wrote that ticket should be required to pay it by the municipal judge.

  • answer4everything

    Politicians and cops everywhere wonder why there is no respect for the law. This story is a prime example of why. When the law punishes a good citizen for stepping up; when the law punishes children for operating lemonade stands, then the law is an a$$. And it is impossible to have respect for an a$$.

  • John Campbell

    Sense when has volunteering to direct traffic been a crime? I’ve done it countless times over the years and in many States because I’m a professional trucker and many loading/unloading situations demand that it be done for public safety. I’ve even had the local cops supply me with traffic cones to assist in the effort.

    That court needs to be packed with angry citizens to tell the over reaching government where to stuff it.

  • Allan Levine

    If the cops gave someone a ticket in my town for stepping up in their absence, someone would be in trouble. If they were so worried about his ability to do the job right, they could have just politely told him to stop as others have said. This is a very valid news story. Do people in Pasadena believe the police should act without deference and always choose to be “Pricks”?

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