It already is. When I was a kid we had the second largest economy. Grey Davis bragged that we were fifth. Arnold put us in eight. Now who knows, maybe Brown can get us to tenth. This is a race to the bottom and California is competitive. I want to join Texas. Please include us inside the great wall out here in Coachella. I’ll fly the Texas flag any time, I’ll back your play. I’m embarrassed to tell anyone I’m from California. Boycott Calfornia!!!!!

The first time around Jerry Brown emptied out the insane asylims hince Street people and homeless, he cancelled the bracero program hince the Mexican invasion, he raised taxes and set the ground work for the socialist/communist iron fisted “rulers” we now laughingly “representatives” like parasite Palosi and family growing richer and richer with her back door deals and favoritism that she wields from Washinton D.C.

to G Marsh: Gov. Reagan in 1967 signed the act that effectively closed down much of California’s mental health system. Jerry Brown didn’t become governor until 1975.

You’re the 8th largest economy IN THE WORLD. Not in the nation. Get over yourself, sorry that nations like China, India, and others who have MUCH LARGER POPULATIONS began to produce more in line with their population. Unless California somehow picks up another 100M people in the next decade, I don’t see them competing with the likes of China and India by themselves. Some idiots just don’t know when to STFU because they don’t know what they’re talking about.

Since government feels that illegal aliens have every right to take an American’s job in the private sector, I think illegal aliens should be able to bid on government jobs too. Government salaries would be chopped in half! And no need to entice them with retirement or medical benefits either.

..it’s kill or be killed out here

I am with John R. Would be proud to be part of Texas. I’m embarrassed – and fed up – being Californian. If they could actually pull something like this secession off, I’d be thrilled to stay in Southern California. Otherwise, as soon as we can save enough (which is hard with the high taxes and cost of living) we are OUT OF HERE to Texas, Nevada, or Florida. Adios Muchachos — the great weather is just not enough to get us to put up with this ridiculous state any longer.

James,
Jerry Brown is the best governor, except for his father, we’ve ever had!
I’ve lived in CA since 1947 and I know what I’m talking about.

California, if it was a country, would be one of the richest nations in the world.
Every state is important to the WHOLE of the US.
We depend on every state to produce something that benefits all of us.
For instance, DO YOU EAT BREAD?
Well, you would not have bread flour if you didn’t have Kansas.
DO YOU EAT MEAT?
3 million head of cattle are shipped into Kansas every year from 16 states and
Canada and Mexico to fatten on our special grass.
DO YOU EAT PASTA? California grows your pasta flour.
All for one and one for all!!.

Hey, Theodore! Just because you live in a State since 1947 doesn’t make you an authority on anything. If you think Governor Moonbeam is the best Governor CA has ever had, you sure are using convoluted criteria for what constitutes a “Good Governor.”

From the way CA is sinking into the Pacific Ocean, it turns out none of its Governors havebeen worth a warm bucket of spit!

Unions are made up of PEOPLE, namely, workers just like you!!
We have big government, corporations that pay no taxes, corporations that
send our jobs overseas and we have the extremely wealthy with all their
tax loopholes.
WE NEED UNIONS TO GIVE THEIR PEOPLE FAIR WAGES AND FAIR BENEFITS.
Unions also are for you who don’t work for a union because they set the standard for fairness in the workplace.

Jay,
Seceeding from Northern California is NOT a new idea;
it is just another way to make you think these radical congresspeople are for You, which theyare not!
If you knew what workers faced when there were no unions, you would be
appalled. They was child labor, forced working conditions, 16 hour days,
workers killed and maimed if they ask for a 5cent raise. They say we don’t
need unions because the workers give to the democratic party and that is
why they are telling you unions are not needed today.
Who would build your roads in California if you have no government?
Who would protect your food supply if the agric corporations ran amuck?
Do you think every mother could afford to stay home and home school their
kids?
You have not thought this through. Talking about seceeding sounds good, but
you have just not thought through on the ramifications of what this would entail.

Hey Hoakua your totally wrong. I grew up in Kings county, we have plenty of water however its the politions in Sacramento divert a lot of this water.
There are plenty of lakes, rivers and aquafers in Kings, Madera, Fresno, Tulary counties. Also to let u know Fresno, Madera, and Tulary have the Sierra Nevada mountain range with plenty of snow runoff.
So for you to say that their is not any water in So. Cal….well is totally wrong!

We have oil in southern california!

Like Massachusetts uses “their own oil…..”

If there’s enough water available for the counties in question now, why would a simple political redrawing change things? I know of the leftist obsession with having no god but government and all, but still…..

the areas in the seperation own the water, Sac will have to buy from American California

HOAKUA
Whoa there Son! We have the whole Pacific Ocean which is being turned into
drinking water by a start up company!! Someday you will be coming to us for
water when yours is so polluted by Big Corporations that pollute your streams,
lakes and resevoirs.

Stuki
I’m a progressive and I believe in God.
Don’t generalize about what you know nothing about.
Methodists, Congregationalists, Quakers, and other churches are progressive
chruches that believe in a Creator.

Wow I don’t see where the millions dead come in, this could be a diplomatic and administrative move that would allow the people of SoCal to better administrate thier own affairs.

Millions of Americans? Really? And here I thought there was nothing but illegals left…

Lighten up Francis.

Millions of Americans? hahahaha!! 98% of the CA population is illegal aliens. Most sane and real Americans have already left the state. The main reason the state is going broke is because the “hard working Mexicans” get paid under the table and do not pay any taxes and then they also take FULL advantage of CA’s generous welfare system.

Millions of Americans would die? Very stupid comment. I’m sorry. It is time for a split. Yes I know about the water issues. There is also oil in the “new” state and as I remember, LA County pumps ground water out of the Central Valley. It goes both ways. Agriculture and energy are two industries that employ lots of people and can’t really leave the state. It’s time to preserve those interests and let “Old California” live with its choices. Give the industries bailing on California a more local place to settle

Hey there idiot…we do not have to “rise up”…as long long as you’re around we’re above you…

I just want people like you to die, Steve.

Better to die in the millions than be slave to the state.

Patriotism is not a duty to the state or an obligation to maintain it because states (or governments or any kind) have no right to exist in themselves. What does have a right to exist is people and their happiness so the state is ultimately expendable in comparison to those needs.

I support what these brave Californians are doing and every conservative across America should.

The South has already risen.

This article is about California splitting into 2 states NOT seceding from the United States. Almost all of you need to work on your reading comprehension.

Most of you people replying to Steve are idiots.
The population if California is 36,457,549, so yes, if CA were to impossibly fall into the ocean, MILLIONS would die, about 36.5 million.

G.Marsh is the biggest idiot here. The illegal immigrant population in CA is just over 103,000 which means they represent .2% of the population (yet they still managed to contribute over $2 Billion dollars in taxes to the state last year).

And finally, CA IS the largest economy in the nation and 10th largest in the world. The U.S. needs us more than we need them as we are one of the 16 States that actually pay more to the Federal Government then we get back from them. The other 34 states, including Texas, are welfare states receiving far more form the Feds then they pay in.

You’d think basic internet searches wouldn’t be beyond the grasp of even the most simple minded, but the posts here prove the majority of Americans are just too stupid to breath.

Dakiel, you are saying the 103,000 illegals pay 2 billion in tax, that is just under $200,000 per person, that two hundred thousand and now lets say 25% are workers, we know its more like 8 %, that would mean these illegal aliens of yours pay half a million a year EACH worker in tax

Is anyone stupid enough to believe there are only 103,000. let me explain how a lie works.

“How many occupants and are there any illegal living in this house?”

“uh…just me, no illegals…”

“Ok!”

See, illegals figure they’ll get deported if they admit they’re illegal… so they LIE ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU to Daniel who is the only HALFWAY intelligent person posting here. The people that followed him up need to READ this. Listen, I’m sure you think your opinions are great. But FIRST, before you come to CONCLUSIONS, you need to learn how to READ and do some research. Because you are so damn dumb it hurts.. jw ross, you might want to learn how to use a calculator, because those numbers come out to $20k per person.. and the rest of you, if you think a statistic is wrong, go get the real number, or stfu and learn something. If you had bothered, you’d know that is estimated number of illegals who had taxes withheld, NOT including their families. Also, because they don’t have valid social security numbers, THEY DO NOT GET REFUNDS.

California puts much more money into the federal pool than they get in return. Without California, you’d be paying more, not less. idiot.

That’s a little bit looney from a fact-perspective. NY, CT, MA, VT, RI, and MD produce most of the wealth of the nation and are some of the few states that have no chance to “default and collapse.” (IL is a different story.) Generally, red states take more money than they give to the federal government and have higher poverty rates and poor educational systems. Take a look sometime about state tax receipts to disbursements.

Most comments here are part of the Drudge echo chamber. Such posters read opinions and come to believe that everyone thinks like they do or are crazy if they do not.

The ideas of compromise and finding common-ground that our country was founded upon at the Constitutional Congress have been replaced with hyper-partisan craziness to the detriment of the country.

It’s sad.

Wrong Lyle. When you take account the federal welfare programs and pork projects, the liberal blue states soak up MUCH MUCH more than they take in.

Where as the red states, Texas in particular, are true tax donor states.

Nice try though. It’s not like we haven’t heard your weak talking points 10,000 times already…

Only like minded people can work together. This country may have been founded on people working together but none of those people were marxists/communists. Until the american left comes crawling back to america with its tail between its legs,I have nothing more to do with them. They are the enemy.

Genius, man

Mikey, you are insanely incorrect. The red states bleed the blue states dry. The numbers don’t like. Brietbart and Drudge do, however.

Lyle, Billy, YOU are insane if you think that any of the states being discussed in this post are “contributing” to our society. ALL of them are facing massive budget shortfalls with Kalifornia, NY, and Illinois on the verge of DEFAULT!!

I suggest you remove your tinfoil hats and allow the mother ship to collect you and take you home.

Actually – that’s a “factual” canard.

The figures the democrats like to quote as “the red states take more money”. . . . .those figures also include “military” spending.

And gee, where are large military installations located? Lots of them in red states.

Another factoid people should look up: When you factor pork and block grands and educational money – that liberal canard doesn’t hold up to facts.

Research.

Lyle and Billy;
that statistic is so simpleminded as to be entirely useless. If you just go by share of GDP, or tax receipts, then yes, the urban and coastal states are net contributors. But you have to look at where the output is coming from, as well as why the “red” states are not contributing more.

If you do, one of the first things you find, is that the extreme level of regulation itself, shifts spending away from immediate producers, and towards services like legal, which are heavily concentrated in blue states. Similarly, and even more perversely, massive budget deficits and activist federal Reserve policy shifts untold trillions of wealth in the direction of immediate beneficiaries in the financial complex. It’s not like NY produces all that much that would be of any value were it not for artificial support by government and the Fed.

In addition, much of blue state championed regulation, is aimed directly at reducing the output of red state industries, which for example tend to have a more immediate impact on the environment. And, remove federal level work and compensation regulations, all championed by the blue states, and red states would be even more competitive. At least many of the would.

Of course, the only way to find out who leeches and who provides, is to blow the whole thing apart. Replace the US with a few hundred independent republics, each with about the same population as Washington’s America, and we’d truly be on to something.

You’re absolutely right. A good “rule of thumb” is that a county that touches the Pacific is a “blue” county. The rest of the state is red.

If you look at the demographics of the counties involved, you will find those counties are the most conservative in the state. Because of that we are the ignored step children of the liberal idiots in charge of the state. The bay area, Sacremento and Los Angeles are turning into crime ridden garbage dumps. I was in Law Enforcement in LA county for 28 years. I left in 1992.

I would support the division.

You are absolutely right. I sit here shaking my head at the last governor’s election. The only explanation is that the majority of people were protecting their “entitlements,” the very things that are sinking us. I have no voice though because I’m deep into Orange County.

I am afraid f they split California we would eventually end up as part of Mexico and become part of the 3rd world. There are so many illegals here in So. Cal. that all they would need to do is vote one of them into office and we would be history.

Imagine we want to become OUR OWN STATE, not join another country.

Mike, Scott,

Are you telling me this “region” will become MORE like the US…???…

I’m not laughing anymore… Do both of you live in LA…???…

Wow…

Are you telling me this “region” will become MORE like the US…???…

The NEW state will be more like the US. What’s left will resemble Mexico.

Nailed it Mugabe…..It’s about time conservatives rose up in this beautiful state we call home and turn the libbers into grease spots. This financial plane crash they’ve created for the rest of us will come to an abrupt end, it will be painful for a while but it will be well worth the fight. Oh and libbers? We’ll now take care of the border like adults and I’m a legal American-Mexican in that order.

Dude, the more states, the better. The states are waaaay, waaay too big as it is. Anything to make them smaller and more directly accountable to each citizen

Just imagine a world where Gov.Brown could enact all the high tax, socialist policies he wanted; but the law only applied to his own governors’ mansion. While I could happily enact more sane tax policies for people residing in my household. Best of all worlds, forever!

The counties listed are very much in the “Red zone” — conservative zone — of California. They would be an excellent addition to Arizona.

However, I’d rather see a new state, since it would mean 2 more conservative senators!!!!!!

Good Lord that couldn’t be more true. We’ve been dealing with the idiot Yankees escaping their liberal cesspools they call cities that they’ve created for themselves and moving South in droves. It seems like Detroit has basically moved to North Carolina, which is why this once great state is turning blue with sickness. And when they come and invade like a plague of locusts, they continue to vote the same way that created the their mess in the first place. Isn’t that the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome…

Ross, the exact same phenomenon is occurring in NH, once somewhat of a last bastion of any kind of sanity in New England.

First the yahoos from Massachusetts, in their usual leftist zeal to preen around fashionably socialist, renders their own immediate surroundings practically inhospitable to civilized life.

Then, they run off across the northern border to NH to escape the hell they have themselves created. But then, and get this, instead of making sure their new home does not get destroyed like their old one did, these backmarkers immediately set about destroying their new state as well, and by exactly the same means they once destroyed their old one. It’s flat out unbelievable!

hebgb…,.. The majority of the people in the Counties in the south east are conservatives, some extremely so like me. Maybe we could help you with your problems, cus we sure can’t do anything here, we are out numbered. I don’t think a large influx of conservatives would hurt your State, just saying.

“..They elected those reasons they are failing. They wanted the freebies the campaigners promised and didn’t deliver. They deserve what they are dealing with. If they want to do something else, change the electorate like they should have done years ago…”

Actually a lot of California is “red” on the electoral map. A few highly populous, coastal “blue” zones are what nudges the state into Democrat lala land. Don’t punish the good Californias for the sins of the wicked cities of the coast.

If there are but ten righteous men in Sodom, I will not destroy it…

San Francisco and Los Angeles are the reason that California is a Blue State. Take out those two counties and we would be a consistent Red state. Also who came up with this Red and Blue scheme? It should be Blue that represents Conservatives and Red that represents Liberals!

Is it a coincidence? hARDLY.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim-majority_countries
47 countries…

Ron has it right, however I disagree with Sid on the idea that Texas “wants’ to split up into the 5 states…

While it would not technically constitute secession, it is worth noting that, under the joint resolution of Congress by which the Republic of Texas was admitted to the Union, it had the right to divide itself into as many as five different states. It is not clear whether this provides any power beyond that already provided by the Constitution. What is clear is that the Texas Legislature would have to approve any proposal to divide the state using this prerogative. There were a significant number of Texans who supported dividing the state in its early decades. They were generally called divisionists. However, no state has ever been allowed to secede from the Union.[63][64][65]

However, keep in mind that we still have the right to completely secede from the union….

Texas Secession Movement: The group Republic of Texas generated national publicity for its controversial actions in the late 1990s.[81] A small group still meets.[82] In April 2009, Rick Perry, the Governor of Texas, raised the issue of secession in disputed comments during a speech at a Tea Party protest saying “Texas is a unique place. When we came into the union in 1845, one of the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that…My hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention. We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come of that.”[83][84][85][86]

Just to pick nits, Obama didn’t say there were 57 states, he said he’d been to 57 states and had one more to go (for a total of 58 states.

Jhovey, the rich SouthCalifornia counties will build water desalination plants and sell the water to your northern areas. SouthCalifornia will be able to do this because their government will encourage job building and have a healthy tax base. Northern CA will be sucking our tit soon.

Stop sending STD’s too?!!!!

No! Not that.

L.A. gets 60% of its water from NoCal. Half of SoCal gets its water from AZ and CO.