Religious Relic Stolen From Catholic Church In Long Beach


LONG BEACH (CBS) — A 780-year-old religious relic of the patron saint of lost causes and missing objects was stolen from a Catholic church near Los Angeles on Monday, just hours after it was put on display to commemorate the feast of St. Anthony, police said.

The relic, which is only brought out on special occasions, was stolen from inside a cabinet beside the altar at the St. Anthony Catholic Church in Long Beach on Monday morning, police Lt. Paul Arcala said.

The Reverend Jose Magana said he decided to bring out the relic this year, on the 780th anniversary of the death of St. Anthony, because many of his parishioners have lost hope in the rough economy.

“It has no financial value, but it’s our history, so it’s irreplaceable,” Magana said. “It belongs to the church, not just the church here in Long Beach, but the entire Catholic church.”

The church opened at 6 a.m., and when Magana turned to the relic during the 9 a.m. Mass, it had disappeared. Magana could hear his parishioners gasp when they realized it was gone, but he continued with the service and called police immediately afterward.

Arcala said the relic is housed in a 16-inch tall case with angel-shaped handles made of gold and silver on either side. He declined to describe it further because that might jeopardize the investigation.

The last time it was on view was eight years ago, to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the parish. In Catholicism, relics are usually part of a saint’s body or clothes, revered as a physical connection to the saint.

While church members are upset that someone would steal a holy object, their faith is still strong.

“They said, `Father, he’s the patron saint of lost causes, so he’ll come home,”‘ Magana said.

Police are looking for a person of interest who was curious about the relic earlier Monday morning, got too close and had to be asked to step away, Arcala said. The woman was in her late 30s and was short heavyset with wavy, shoulder-length black hair.

“I’m hoping we’ve got some higher sources who’ve got our backs here and we can get it back,” Magana said. “People here are pretty upset but they’re praying. They’re praying to St. Anthony for the return of his own object.”

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  • Calgal

    St. Anthony is the patron saint of lost things, not lost causes. St Jude is the patron saint of lost causes.

    • mike smith

      That means St. Jude is the patron saintg of Obama?

      • thewriterus

        Nice zing.

      • Chris

        No, just the Cubs.

    • Garth Milnert

      That is one of the big differences between the Catholic Religion and the Gospel of Christ…. “They’re praying to St. Anthony for the return of his own object” Praying to someone else besides Jesus. Jesus is the only moderator between God and man. Can’t pray to anyone else. It falls on deaf ears.

      • cybro

        Well then we will have to ask St. Anthony to pray for your loss of understanding and faith.

      • Mark

        “Garth Milnert

        That is one of the big differences between the Catholic Religion and the Gospel of Christ…. “They’re praying to St. Anthony for the return of his own object” Praying to someone else besides Jesus. Jesus is the only moderator between God and man. Can’t pray to anyone else. It falls on deaf ears”

        Garth…is this the only argument you protestants can make? It’s really getting old already. But just in case you need to hear it for the billionth time, Catholics don’t pray TO the saints, we pray that THEY pray for our intentions. Do you ever ask your friends to pray for you???? Welll then, what’s the difference?

    • Fredie garcia

      catholic church started by st peter protestant church started by whoever feels like it nuff sed

      • icecream

        Our friends that we ask to pray for us are still HERE WITH US. Those who were “sainted” by the Catholic Church have passed away centuries ago. Praying to the dead, even though they were honorable, amounts to “necromancy”.
        According to the Bible, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior ts the mediator that we go through to get to Almighty God.

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  • Billl R.

    Wasn’t there something about not worshiping any graven images?

    • A reader

      The relics are not “worshiped”,. They serve as a tangible reminder of the saint and of God’s love within each of us.

    • joe

      “Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man’s body into Elisha’s tomb. When the body touched Elisha’s bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet.” 2 Kgs 13:20

      “God did extraordinary miracles through Paul, 12so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them. ” Acts 19:11-12

      Catholics don’t worship relics, but there is certainly Biblical support for the use of them.

      • elihu

        You’d better go back to reinterpreting that verse if that’s what you get from it! Sad!

      • Topheh

        I Love it.

        If you find a verse in the bible that supports your position, its clearly correct. If Catholics find a verse in the bible that supports their position, they are ‘Sad’ for finding that verse.

        And honestly, does it matter? No Catholic believes that they are worshiping, and it is what we do in our hearts that God sees. We all worship Christ, and thats what matters.

    • GAlanJag

      Could you make the case that the crucifix at the front of just about any Christian church is a graven image?

      • SteveS

        Crucifixes are in Catholic and Orthodox churches, no others.

  • joe

    …because somebody might take them? The relic wasn’t put on display to worship.

  • Doc d20

    Agree with cliff & Billl R.: Best to steer our Catholic bretheren away from idolatry.

    • Gerald

      Veneration is not idolotry or worship.

      • 76

        You are right Gerald. It is amazing how many people attack Catholic practices without actually knowing anything about them.

      • dennis

        I attend an Orthodox church. We don’t worship our Icons.

      • elihu

        “Veneration” is a matter of semantics that was imparted in place of using the world “Worship” so as not to be charged with idolatry. It didn’t work!

      • Gerald

        Not only are we not worshipping wood and paint, we are not worshipping the saint depicted. We are venerating the image of God in them. Anyone who does shouldn’t be, and anyone outside the faith who tells someone inside the faith that what they are doing when they don’t really know needs to be quiet on this.

    • Calgal

      To the misinformed about Catholiicism, Catholics worship only God. Statues and relics of people are like reminders of that person. They are of people who we feel have lived holy lives and are close to God. When we pray to them, we are asking them to interceed for us and to pray for us. Not really much different from when we ask a friend to pray for us when we are sick or when we are having troubles in our lives. We absolutely do not worship them, nor do we think the statues have any kind of magical powers. They are not idols. Those who say so, have no understaning of the Catholic Faith.

      • Dee

        As a Christian I find it shocking that anyone would pray to dead ‘saints.’ It really is no different than praying to ‘other gods.’ Why? Because the New Testament doesn’t even mention praying to saints. It’s totally made up by the Catholic Church. Please read your Bibles and don’t depend on tradition to make you think you’re on the right track – no matter how good it might seem.

      • icecream

        The Holy Bible says that JESUS is our ONLY intercessor.

      • lukuj

        Exactly1 Thank you for writing this so I don’t have to do so. Never in 16 years of Catholic education was i told to “worship” a saint. In fact, I was cautioned against it.

      • elihu

        I spent 50+ years in the RCC ‘system’, including all schooling. If you really believe what you are writing here, then you have really drank Rome’s Koolade…The Bible is the only source of truth; anything else was imparted by fallible man, including all of your so-called ‘popes’.

      • Jeff Novak

        Hey, Elihuooey. How about you and I take a quiz on the Catechism of the Catholic Church and what they actually teach. I’m betting that you learned less than your vaunted 50+ years you keep highlighting on your resume than I forget every day what the Church teaches. Sitting in class does not necessarily a student make…

      • NeoNicene

        Hey Elihu,

        Did you Bible come with a list of the books that should be included in it? Oh no, it didn’t. What authority then says that the books you include in your Bible should be there? The Church, brother. Also, it a shame that you were not around in the first centuries of the church so that you would teach those first Christians how to understand the faith properly. Think of all the early Christians (in whose line the Orthodox and Catholics now stand) who could have used your help in figuring out what Christians really should believe. It’s too bad for the Orthodox and Catholics that the ‘true’ faith was only determined much later by American evangelicals. I sometimes wonder if you people are real or are just trolling.

      • Topheh

        “There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church….As a matter of fact, if we Catholics believed all of the untruths and lies which were said against the Church, we probably would hate the Church a thousand times more than they do.” ARCHBISHOP FULTON J. SHEEN

      • dawgtired

        Just one more comment on the apparent ignorance of Eilhu. There were Chrisitians decades before the first book was ever written in the New Testament. There were Jews for years and years before there was ever anything recorded in the Old Testament. So how did the Christians become converts? Oh yeah, the spoken word, preaching. Who was preaching? Oh yeah, this fallible thing known as man. There is not one word written in the Bible that was not put there by man with man’s thoughts and his understanding of God’s word. If you think God dictated every word in the Bible then you need to check into Islam and the Koran. I think you may be confusing the two. I cannot believe you are this clueless after spending 50+ years in the RCC “system”. And yes the pope is fallible. The only time infallibility is claimed is when he speaks “ex cathedra” in matters of faith and that has only happened a few times in the history of the church. Good Lord…did you learn nothing?

      • Dawgtired

        OK I promise this is the last one to Eilhu. If the Bible is the only source of truth….where in the Bible does it say that?

    • chad

      what does it matter you how a catholic worships. Is it hurting so please explain how. Is it hurting God ? I doubt it hes a big boy he can handle it.

    • r.s.j.

      It’s best that you read the history of Christianity and realize that Christ founded one church, not the 40k bable of protestant churches. Each person is its own God, each person is its own church….it called anarchy! Each church contradicts the others in certain forms. Its all up to the indvidual to decide what is right or wrong…..that called relativism. So in brief I need to help steer away from this disaster.

  • Gerald

    Veneration is not worship.

    • St. Joseph

      A picture of your wife is not the same thing as a statue of God, or of someone that’s in heaven. Those things can’t be represented by pictures. This is why God prohibits them. They diminish God. If you need to be reminded of God in a statue, your relationship with God comes into question.

    • St. Joseph

      “You really have to wonder how God will judge all those Fundies who so readily spew such hate at the idea of giving honor to Jesus’ own mother. What are they going to say when they face Jesus on Judgment Day .”

      Don’t be a goofball Brad. The only thing you’ll need to tell Jesus is what you did with HIM. Even Jesus said when told that his mother was at the door looking for Him:

      “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

      So, it looks like Jesus might ask me “Did you do the will of my Father?” before he asks me anything about Mary.

    • Brad

      You really have to wonder how God will judge all those Fundies who so readily spew such hate at the idea of giving honor to Jesus’ own mother. What are they going to say when they face Jesus on Judgment Day .. “Hey Jesus, make sure you condemn anyone who venerated your mom. ” I mean, sheesh, I wouldn’t wanna be anywhere near the front of the line for the response.

      “For, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.”

    • elihu

      I spent 50 years in the RCC before converting to Biblcal Christianity. Don’t tell me it’s not worshiping! Idolatry. Mariolitry! One day you’ll see the truth!

      • Robert C

        You sound like you learned a lot in those 50 years. Since this “Biblical Christianity” (unmentioned in the Bible, by the way) must come from the Bible, from where did the Bible come from? This is like eating eggs and being disgusted by hens. Has it occurred to “Biblical” Christians that it is just as possible to worship and idolize books, as it is to idolize a particular saint? God did not give us a book, he gave us His Son, who in turn gave us a Church. To say “sola scriptura” is an insult to Christ. Does this mean Christ’s method of preaching (not writing) was inadequate? Does this mean only the literate can achieve salvation? And which translation is the correct? Surely you know Greek and Hebrew, so that you can have the most enlightened understanding of each passage (how else would you arrive at the fullness of truth through your personal page-skimming). The Bible Alone? Not Christ Alone? “Alone” (sola) certainly has the effect of excluding all else, no?

        It is unfathomable to “Bible Christians” that Christianity would exist even had the Bible ever been canonized. I dont worship Saints OR the Bible, I worship the Holy Trinity: God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Bible is invaluable. But its not the Bible “alone” that it is good and true. The “Trinity alone” is true. And the Son created a Church. Catholics and Protestants dont disagree on that last part; its just that Catholics have answered the question “Where is this Church?” while Protestants have not. We say it is Rome headed by the successor of Peter. The “RCC” is not a denomination–it proclaims itself to be THE Church. What do Protestants and “Bible Christians” say? The best Ive heard is that “The Church” is an abstract institution with no location on earth. So what did Christ mean when he told the Apostles at Pentecost, whatever the bind and loose on Earth, shall be bound and loosed in Heaven? Was it just that generation that had authority? Period? Im a little confused by all these Bible passages that indicate Christ’s intent to establish a single, unified Church, built on top of Peter, who was undisputedly the leader among the Apostles.

        So, despite having no reasonable foundation for “The Church,” which we all agree does exist, Protestants like Elihu think they have figured something out that nobody else did for 20 centuries. And they think of the Bible as some self-creating, self-authenticating source that was floating in the primordial soup with the Trinity, from the beginning of time (not man-made). And it never occurs to him that there can be a such a thing as Bible-idolozation.

        Actually, its just neo-Gnosticism.

        And thanks to that pagan “RCC,” which decided to close the canon against heretical Gnostics with their personal interpretations (sound familiar?) this book was canonized as the definitive inspired Word. In other words, Christ created a Church, and men (of that Church) created the writings that would become the books of the Bible (eg, Sts Paul and John, and James, etc). Then other men of that Church closed that Bible off in the midst of heretical interpretations abounding in the Christian world (at the Council of Hippo). Then a man of the Church decided “the Church” needed his unsolicited revising in the 1500s. Other men followed, some out of good faith motives to reform the Church (Calvin) others out of diabolical ulterior motives (Henry VIII, grandfather of King James).

        Now, after 2000 years, Americans calling themselves Bible Christians take it upon themselves to condemn the last 20 centuries of Biblical preservation. You know Elihu, its too bad the early Church didnt have YOU around to help them get it right about Biblical interpretation. (And as a Catholic who knows plenty of lapsed Catholics, Im not impressed by your self-proclaimed expertise on Catholicism. Having the title “Catholic” means nothing if you spend 50 years in ignorance.)

      • Lou

        Well said, Robert C.

    • Gerald

      I am an Orthodox Christian, not Roman Catholic. We do not worship Mary, but we do ask for her (and other holy ones’) prayers, since the prayer of a righteous person availeth much.

    • Brad Sperry

      This is the standard word games that occur in the catholic church…

    • ml

      Brad, I am Catholic. Give me some credit! I know the difference between veneration and worship. I venerate my mom for caring for two mentally challenged sons her whole adult life. I venerate my aunt for the way she handled her cancer. I venerate saints and Mary for the way they handled difficult situations in their lives. I worship one and that is God.

    • St. Joseph

      So? The Biblical directive is to not even make such things. It’s best that it’s gone. The faithful at St. Anthony’s can now direct their “veneration” to God alone – where it belongs.

    • St. Joseph

      Ml – have you made statues of your mom and your aunt? Do you pray to them?
      Chances are – no, you don’t. Don’t mince words. You know better than that.

    • Christopher Andrews

      no, but others here have a picture of their wife that they’ve kissed from time to time when they were only a long journey – that is veneration – and we do it with humans all the time…

    • HMichaelH

      What is it, then?

  • Baker

    It’s not idol worship; it’s honoring them. Please don’t spread lies.

    • Steve

      You should only honor Christ and only Him alone. No saints, no Mary, no one else. Revelation 5:12

      It’s only Jesus Christ who receives all Glory and Honor.

    • mike

      idle worship?

    • Topheh

      Oh! You mean I don’t have to honor my father and mother anymore? Excellent! Those pesky Ten commandments are so old-fashioned.

  • 76

    Catholics do not “worship” relics or idols. Also, a statue is not an “idol.” We also do not worship Mary or Saints, we ask for their intercessions. There is a difference.

    • Bill

      Freedom, so you are saying if I have a statue of a frog next to my pond that statue is an idol???

    • Bill

      elihu, by the most literal reading of the second commandment you should not have any type of statue or picture in your home at all and some Christian sects actually practice this and refuse to allow pictures to be taken of them (Hutterites). But when God told the Isrealites to build a vessel (the Ark) to place the commandments in he instructed them to make statues of angels to adorn it.

    • elihu

      Maybe you should really READ the Second commandment!

    • Kevin

      Catholics are in denial. Why have anyone in your faith other than Jesus? The Bible is very clear that Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and man.

    • Freedom

      Wait! I am not even Christian, and that is a ridiculous statement.
      Statues ARE idols, by definition.

      As per websters dictionary:
      Definition of IDOL

      : a representation or symbol of an object of worship; broadly : a false god
      a : a likeness of something
      b obsolete : pretender, impostor
      : a form or appearance visible but without substance
      : an object of extreme devotion ; also : ideal 2
      : a false conception : fallacy

      So, if you don’t even know the meaning of the word int eh first place, you don’t have a lot to say about what it is or is not.

    • David Geffeney

      How is it any different than the brazen serpent of the old testament that had to be destroyed because they kept (putting it on display) worshipping it. Moses made it in numbers 21, then destroyed in Kings (verse link below)

      I am afraid that Catholics do indulge in rituals, repetitions, idols, and mysticism (conjuring of dead people to intercede for you).

    • mitchell

      50 Million American waych american Idol, does that mean Scotty is worshiped or a statue? Sometime logic is just a way to be wrong with authority.

    • Brad Sperry

      God has said he will not give his glory to another (Isaiah 48:11). Worshipping Him gives him glory. Worshipping Mary is standard paganism only the names occasionally change. Sometimes not –

      Jeremiah 7:18
      The children gather wood, the fathers kindle fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the QUEEN OF HEAVEN. And they pour out drink offerings to other gods, to provoke me to anger.

      God is NOT pleased with worshipping, venerating, honoring anything that robs him of his well-deserved glory. As all Christians are considered saints ( ) in the Bible there is no reason for anyone attaining “saithood”. It is just another method for making idols and controlling the Biblically-illiterate.

      “You shall have no other gods before Me.
      “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
      “You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,
      but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

      Looks very cut and dried to me.

    • Dawgtired

      Maybe Elihu should read the ninth commandment about bearing false witness. Fifty years in the RCC and still clueless. WOW!!!
      So a little education for you. The RCC teaches firmly that there is one mediator, Jesus Christ. To teach otherwise is a heresy. We are asking the saints in heaven (see Revelation) to join their prayers with ours. That is no more than if you were in the hospital and your minister came to visit, asking him or her to pray for you. So calm down and get someone to explain things to you before you go off on some tangent. Same to Kevin

    • David

      I believe you’re all missing the point. It’s not about “giving God the glory He deserves.” Makes Him sound pretty egotistical don’t you think? It’s about removing anything that keeps you from being close to Him. If you have to pray to Mary to get results, it’s because you don’t believe -your- prayers are effective. Jesus paid a high price so that YOU can pray to God, and live a glorious life HERE, instead of begging someone else to intercede for you. That’s the Good News – the Kingdom of God is near YOU. YOU are the righteousness of God, in Christ.

    • John Knoefler

      Oh the catholics are soooo funny. “780-year-old religious relic of the patron saint of lost causes and missing objects was stolen from a Catholic church “So the patron saint can save itself right?
      “We also do not worship Mary or Saints, we ask for their intercessions” Apparently catholics don’e even bother to read the bible. They pray to dead men and idols. Then they ask for intercession when the bible says the Messiah is the only intercessor. What a bunch of bollocks. No wonder catholics are thought of as the dum dums of the world.

  • pt

    Bill and Cliff don’t understand the Catholic faith.

  • Ryan Knowles

    The relic had no financial value?? I highly doubt that.

    • Bill

      Catholics are forbidden from buying or selling relics, unlikely that anyone else would want them so therefore there is no market for them and no street value.

  • dennis

    the bottom feeders that stole the relic will be so dumb as to try and sell it on the show pawn stars.

  • Michael Horn

    Should this thing be returned, it won’t be through the efforts of the imaginary “God” people pray to. Based on the track record of the deity, I wouldn’t hold my breath. After all, countless billions of people throughout the past thousands of years have been sending their prayers skywards…with demonstrably abysmal results.

    And has anyone ever bothered to figure out just WHY they pray in the first place (let alone pray REPEATEDLY)? I mean isn’t this guy-in-the-sky supposed to be omniscient, all-knowing, etc.? Why do bumbling human beings have to remind him what to do?

    Perhaps the greatest shock isn’t realizing that something’s been stolen from a church but that one has been trying to get an imaginary being to do things for them that they should be taking responsibility to do for themselves.

    • Ron Paldino

      God helps those that help themselves.

    • Brad

      It’s not that Atheists don’t believe in God. They just don’t believe it’s someone ELSE.

    • joe

      Okay, good for you. Do you feel better about yourself now?

    • Calgal

      Michael, no one is asking you to believe anything, so why do you have to make such insulting remarks? Stealing is wrong, whether from a church or from someplace else. It seems to me your only reason for commenting is to bash people who believe in God. I’m not knocking you for not believing. That’s your choice. So why do you feel you have to make nasty comments? If others want to believe in God, what’s it to you?

      • NorCalHillbilly

        Atheism takes a lot of faith…more than most other religions…
        I will respectfully tolerate your beliefs sir.

      • NorCalHillbilly

        BTW – That was for the O.P., Mr Horn

  • idiotmitten

    Maybe it’ll show up on American Idol.

  • Ben Dover

    OMG! Who do we pray to now?

  • Michael

    Trying with all your might to evangelize the faithful is a lost cause.

    We as Christians, spend so much time focussing on our diffferences we have broken our Christian unity. Instead of finding the things that join us together in Christ, we attack eachother’s slightly different understanding of faith, and allow satan to divide us all.

    Catholic Chruches, Angelican Churches, Baptist Churches and Protestant Churches share dialogue with many Christian faiths through socials, conferences and Bible studies. I invite each of those here to attack one anothers Christian faith to attend or seek out an open dialogue. How can we heal the world if we are squabbling tirelessly with those who share the same goal?

  • John

    Do you have any pictures of deceased relatives? Have you ever held the picture and said aloud, “She was such a great lady!”. THAT is what a relic, or even an icon or a statue of a saint, is meant to function as in the Catholic Church. We do NOT “worship” images any more than you worship awards you may put on the mantle over your fireplace. They are meant as reminders only!

    • Calgal

      Good way to describe it John. Too many people have the misconception that we worship the saints and don’t understand that the statues merely serve as reminders for us. They don’t get that we worship only God.

    • Jon

      I dont pray to my deceased relaives or my awards!

    • Freedom

      Redefine worship any way you want.

      1wor·ship noun \ˈwər-shəp also ˈwȯr-\
      chiefly British : a person of importance —used as a title for various officials (as magistrates and some mayors)
      : reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also : an act of expressing such reverence
      : a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual

      So, revering, using idols in rituals or praying to an idol IS worshiping it.
      Good GOD, please of you are going to claim to be Christians READ AND UNDERSTAND YOUR OWN BOOK!!!!

    • Topheh

      But the saints are not divine, so by definition we are *not* worshiping them as worship must be done to something divine…

    • John Knoefler

      Unlike you I don’t pray to my dead relatives or talk to them. They are dead and gone as it says in scripture. And you do pray to images or idols and that is worship. You are idol worshipers. Your first love should be to your Creator but then catholics start of with small lies and work themselves up to burning people at the stake and strangling Jews. Thanks but no thanks. Had enough of your phoney religion over the centuries.

  • Pocho Basura

    maybe the church should reach out to the patrons saint of theives, Jesus Malverde.
    OH WAIT, he’s the patron saint of narcotics trafficers.
    My bad

  • Wow

    The ignorance in this thread is astounding. Atheism and liberalism require more faith then Christianity ever required.

  • Rev. Ike

    The hillbilly belief that “saints are worshipped” by Catholics is one of the peculiar, self-imposed handicaps held by the immature practitioners of pseudo-Christianity.

    • Tim Browne

      This isn’t some wacky new belief amongst Protestants.

      Both Martin Luther and John Calvin taught against the “veneration” of saints because it’s a pretty short distance from “veneration” to “worship”.

      While we remember the departed faithful and their gifts to the church and man, Protestants believe that there is no need for a mediator beyond Jesus Christ.

      • Midwest Mike

        To Tim Browne–Martin Luther had a very strong veneration for the Blessed Virgin. Please read some of his quotes on the subject.

    • Topheh

      And yet Luther had a very strong devotion to Our Lady…

      “The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart.

      [She is the] highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ . . . She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough.” (Sermon, September 1, 1522).

      So… yeah. CLEARLY Luther was against Veneration, which is why he talked about it *all* the time.

      • Dee

        Luther also felt that Esther should be left out of the Bible. He clearly didn’t read the NT that says All scripture is profitable to us. Nobody’s perfect. Esther is an incredible story about how God preserved His people from total destruction. It makes sense when you realize that God has done this throughout history to fulfill His promise to them as His chosen people. I guess Luther was too distracted by the beauty pageant part of the story. lol

  • CaptainAmerica

    I’m personally not into bowing down to statues, or anyone or thing in general, and praying to the dead, but to each his own. Many of these people, women in particular, are also very superstitious and believe in
    ghosts, drink excessivelly and see/hear/imagine most ghosts then, inbetween yelling at their kids while the whole neighborhood cringes. I digress. Hope they catch thief, most likely a regular practitioner.

    • Bill

      If someone is that interested in a relic for it’s religious value, it’s doubtful that they are a thief. It was more likely someone who THOUGHT it had some monetary value, a regular practitioner would know it had none.

  • Bob the Prophet

    Faith comes from the heart not by viewing antiques. Peace be with you all even those who do not believe in me; The Prophet Bob.

    Just messing with you. THERE WILL BE NO PEACE! ARRRG..

  • The real Doc

    These anti-Catholic postings are a good reason for Catholics to re-examine their political incilnations (those that vote Democrat) and think seriously about abandoning candidates that espouse the liberal-socialist-marxist agenda.

  • Mad Max

    Funny how the pagans and atheists become professional commentators on ‘religious’ subjects all of a sudden.

    Please leave those who “know” God in as much peace as you’d like them to leave you in peace… or doesn’t it work out that way in the pagan life style?

  • TSOl

    Right. That’s why there are so many prayers to Saints, and Mary.

  • Jay


    Do yourself a favor and shut up. The book you mention is available on Amazon and sucks! Apparently, so does your knowledge of the constitution. Just don’t help us please.

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