NEW YORK (AP) — NBA talks have started again and are apparently going nowhere.

A downcast Commissioner David Stern says “nothing” gave him reason for encouragement after a 2 1/2-hour meeting Monday between owners and players, the first since the lockout began exactly a month ago.

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Stern says he does not “feel optimistic about the players’ willingness to engage in a serious way” and says nothing has changed since the old collective bargaining agreement expired at the end of the day June 30.

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The sides said they will try to meet a few more times this month, with the season scheduled to begin on Nov. 1.

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