New state would have no term limits, part-time legislature

RIVERSIDE (CBS) — Is the state of California about to go “South”?

Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone apparently thinks so, after proposing that the county lead a campaign for as many as 13 Southern California counties to secede from the state.

Stone said in a statement late Thursday that Riverside, Imperial, San Diego, Orange, San Bernardino, Kings, Kern, Fresno, Tulare, Inyo, Madera, Mariposa and Mono counties should form the new state of South California.

The creation of the new state would allow officials to focus on securing borders, balancing budgets, improving schools and creating a vibrant economy, he said.

“Our taxes are too high, our schools don’t educate our children well enough, unions and other special interests have more clout in the Legislature than the general public,” Stone said in his statement.

He unveiled his proposal on the day Gov. Jerry Brown signed budget legislation that will divert about $14 million in 2011-12 vehicle license fee revenue from four new Riverside County cities.

Officials fear the cut will cripple the new cities of Eastvale, Jurupa Valley, Menifee and Wildomar.

Stone said he would present his proposal to the Board of Supervisors July 12.

The new state would have no term limits, only a part-time legislature and limits on property taxes.

“A secessionist movement? What is this, 1860?” Brown spokesman Gil Duran told The Press-Enterprise.

Riverside County Supervisor Bob Buster called Stone’s proposal a “crazy distraction.”

“We should begin to get our own budget balanced, which we haven’t done yet, and put in place some of the reforms we need in this county before we try and go and restructure the government in the great state of California,” he told the Press-Enterprise.

“The temperature has gone up in Riverside County and it seems Supervisor Stone has gotten too much sun recently,” he added.

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Comments (1,151)
  1. David Bennett says:


    You give them anything . . . ANYTHING and it will be a free-for-all. You guys give Mexico nothing. You hear me? If you do you might as well give them the whole state because that is exactly what will happen.

    We are entering into hell and the only way out is to go through.

    1. Leslie Bloom says:

      serg, thats the problem. If you say this to my face in real time, I’d scratch your left wing eyes out. No? Try me scrotum lips.

    2. Ghostsouls says:

      What they are trying to do, and what would realistically happen, are two different things. Would be a whole lot easier for Mexican cartels to take over a split off portion of California than to try to take on the entire state.

    3. Richard Simpson says:

      @Ghostsouls… you sound like you still believe the cartels are being held at bay, and don’t already control all of California. Perhaps such an action would free NoCal from SoCal, as much as it would free SoCal from NoCal?

      Alas, it looks like NoCal wants to dominate SoCal’s decision-making by monopolizing control in Sacramento.

    4. Gary says:

      As for me, I just want to hunker down, hanging on to my guns and religion and wait for barry’s people to show up at my door.

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  2. Mary says:

    I would absolutely support that. I am tired of not being represented in the Senate and the state legislature. Let’s go for it!

    1. James says:

      Apparently California “forgot” how Jerry Brown jacked up the state the last time he ran it. Good riddance to California as they will soon be nothing more than a 3rd world nation (state).

      1. John R says:

        It already is. When I was a kid we had the second largest economy. Grey Davis bragged that we were fifth. Arnold put us in eight. Now who knows, maybe Brown can get us to tenth. This is a race to the bottom and California is competitive. I want to join Texas. Please include us inside the great wall out here in Coachella. I’ll fly the Texas flag any time, I’ll back your play. I’m embarrassed to tell anyone I’m from California. Boycott Calfornia!!!!!

      2. G. Marsh says:

        The first time around Jerry Brown emptied out the insane asylims hince Street people and homeless, he cancelled the bracero program hince the Mexican invasion, he raised taxes and set the ground work for the socialist/communist iron fisted “rulers” we now laughingly “representatives” like parasite Palosi and family growing richer and richer with her back door deals and favoritism that she wields from Washinton D.C.

      3. Tommy D says:

        to G Marsh: Gov. Reagan in 1967 signed the act that effectively closed down much of California’s mental health system. Jerry Brown didn’t become governor until 1975.

      4. Dave says:

        You’re the 8th largest economy IN THE WORLD. Not in the nation. Get over yourself, sorry that nations like China, India, and others who have MUCH LARGER POPULATIONS began to produce more in line with their population. Unless California somehow picks up another 100M people in the next decade, I don’t see them competing with the likes of China and India by themselves. Some idiots just don’t know when to STFU because they don’t know what they’re talking about.

      5. Paige Quintel says:

        Since government feels that illegal aliens have every right to take an American’s job in the private sector, I think illegal aliens should be able to bid on government jobs too. Government salaries would be chopped in half! And no need to entice them with retirement or medical benefits either.’s kill or be killed out here

      6. Emily says:

        I am with John R. Would be proud to be part of Texas. I’m embarrassed – and fed up – being Californian. If they could actually pull something like this secession off, I’d be thrilled to stay in Southern California. Otherwise, as soon as we can save enough (which is hard with the high taxes and cost of living) we are OUT OF HERE to Texas, Nevada, or Florida. Adios Muchachos — the great weather is just not enough to get us to put up with this ridiculous state any longer.

      7. Theodore says:

        Jerry Brown is the best governor, except for his father, we’ve ever had!
        I’ve lived in CA since 1947 and I know what I’m talking about.

      8. says:

        California, if it was a country, would be one of the richest nations in the world.
        Every state is important to the WHOLE of the US.
        We depend on every state to produce something that benefits all of us.
        For instance, DO YOU EAT BREAD?
        Well, you would not have bread flour if you didn’t have Kansas.
        DO YOU EAT MEAT?
        3 million head of cattle are shipped into Kansas every year from 16 states and
        Canada and Mexico to fatten on our special grass.
        DO YOU EAT PASTA? California grows your pasta flour.
        All for one and one for all!!.

      9. HMichaelH says:

        Hey, Theodore! Just because you live in a State since 1947 doesn’t make you an authority on anything. If you think Governor Moonbeam is the best Governor CA has ever had, you sure are using convoluted criteria for what constitutes a “Good Governor.”

        From the way CA is sinking into the Pacific Ocean, it turns out none of its Governors havebeen worth a warm bucket of spit!

    2. Jay Palmquist says:

      Mary, me too. The union control of Sacramento is just appalling. It’s time to let them run “North California” into the ground, and we turn “South California” into the 3rd largest economic powerhouse in the world.

      1. Theodore says:

        Unions are made up of PEOPLE, namely, workers just like you!!
        We have big government, corporations that pay no taxes, corporations that
        send our jobs overseas and we have the extremely wealthy with all their
        tax loopholes.
        Unions also are for you who don’t work for a union because they set the standard for fairness in the workplace.

      2. Theodore says:

        Seceeding from Northern California is NOT a new idea;
        it is just another way to make you think these radical congresspeople are for You, which theyare not!
        If you knew what workers faced when there were no unions, you would be
        appalled. They was child labor, forced working conditions, 16 hour days,
        workers killed and maimed if they ask for a 5cent raise. They say we don’t
        need unions because the workers give to the democratic party and that is
        why they are telling you unions are not needed today.
        Who would build your roads in California if you have no government?
        Who would protect your food supply if the agric corporations ran amuck?
        Do you think every mother could afford to stay home and home school their
        You have not thought this through. Talking about seceeding sounds good, but
        you have just not thought through on the ramifications of what this would entail.

    3. Hoakua says:

      Let ’em go. And use their own water. Oh wait, there is no water i s South California

      1. Raul says:

        Hey Hoakua your totally wrong. I grew up in Kings county, we have plenty of water however its the politions in Sacramento divert a lot of this water.
        There are plenty of lakes, rivers and aquafers in Kings, Madera, Fresno, Tulary counties. Also to let u know Fresno, Madera, and Tulary have the Sierra Nevada mountain range with plenty of snow runoff.
        So for you to say that their is not any water in So. Cal….well is totally wrong!

      2. Bryan Garcia says:

        We have oil in southern california!

      3. Stuki says:

        Like Massachusetts uses “their own oil…..”

        If there’s enough water available for the counties in question now, why would a simple political redrawing change things? I know of the leftist obsession with having no god but government and all, but still…..

      4. jw ross says:

        the areas in the seperation own the water, Sac will have to buy from American California

      5. Theodore says:

        Whoa there Son! We have the whole Pacific Ocean which is being turned into
        drinking water by a start up company!! Someday you will be coming to us for
        water when yours is so polluted by Big Corporations that pollute your streams,
        lakes and resevoirs.

    4. lectorconstans says:

      Amen to that. It probably doesn’t stand a chance of passing, but at least it tells Sacrament that the People are sick and tired of the fools in government trying to run the state as their own private fiefdom – and money tree.

      1. Theodore says:

        I’m a progressive and I believe in God.
        Don’t generalize about what you know nothing about.
        Methodists, Congregationalists, Quakers, and other churches are progressive
        chruches that believe in a Creator.

    5. karl knudson says:

      obama this name is not an american name for starters ,not even close ,its arabic ,dont take a rocket scientist to figure that one out, im thinkin he hacked his way in office, ive asked a gang of people if they voted for him an all replyed vnegativewhy isnt somebody standing up and puting there foot up his ass and sending him back to where he came from ,this is the biggest joke on the people of this once upon a time great country,belie ve this if i could do it id be at dc in a red hot second with steel toe boots on !

  3. Stray Goose says:

    The rest of the country is just waiting for the whole state of Kalifornia to fall into the ocean…

    1. Steve says:

      Then you are a typical fake patriot who should take his bible in one had and his gun in the other, and raise them to both of your temples and pull the trigger!

      You want millions americans to die? I guess you want the south to rise again too!

      1. Sid Fein says:

        Wow I don’t see where the millions dead come in, this could be a diplomatic and administrative move that would allow the people of SoCal to better administrate thier own affairs.

      2. Mikey says:

        Millions of Americans? Really? And here I thought there was nothing but illegals left…

        Lighten up Francis.

      3. G. marsh says:

        Millions of Americans? hahahaha!! 98% of the CA population is illegal aliens. Most sane and real Americans have already left the state. The main reason the state is going broke is because the “hard working Mexicans” get paid under the table and do not pay any taxes and then they also take FULL advantage of CA’s generous welfare system.

      4. Jay says:

        Millions of Americans would die? Very stupid comment. I’m sorry. It is time for a split. Yes I know about the water issues. There is also oil in the “new” state and as I remember, LA County pumps ground water out of the Central Valley. It goes both ways. Agriculture and energy are two industries that employ lots of people and can’t really leave the state. It’s time to preserve those interests and let “Old California” live with its choices. Give the industries bailing on California a more local place to settle 🙂

      5. R says:

        Hey there idiot…we do not have to “rise up”…as long long as you’re around we’re above you…

      6. Mr. Truth says:

        I just want people like you to die, Steve.

      7. Bill says:

        Better to die in the millions than be slave to the state.

      8. Tim Bosley says:

        Patriotism is not a duty to the state or an obligation to maintain it because states (or governments or any kind) have no right to exist in themselves. What does have a right to exist is people and their happiness so the state is ultimately expendable in comparison to those needs.

        I support what these brave Californians are doing and every conservative across America should.

      9. charles horne says:

        The South has already risen.

      10. Daniel Brown says:

        This article is about California splitting into 2 states NOT seceding from the United States. Almost all of you need to work on your reading comprehension.

        Most of you people replying to Steve are idiots.
        The population if California is 36,457,549, so yes, if CA were to impossibly fall into the ocean, MILLIONS would die, about 36.5 million.

        G.Marsh is the biggest idiot here. The illegal immigrant population in CA is just over 103,000 which means they represent .2% of the population (yet they still managed to contribute over $2 Billion dollars in taxes to the state last year).

        And finally, CA IS the largest economy in the nation and 10th largest in the world. The U.S. needs us more than we need them as we are one of the 16 States that actually pay more to the Federal Government then we get back from them. The other 34 states, including Texas, are welfare states receiving far more form the Feds then they pay in.

        You’d think basic internet searches wouldn’t be beyond the grasp of even the most simple minded, but the posts here prove the majority of Americans are just too stupid to breath.

      11. jw ross says:

        Dakiel, you are saying the 103,000 illegals pay 2 billion in tax, that is just under $200,000 per person, that two hundred thousand and now lets say 25% are workers, we know its more like 8 %, that would mean these illegal aliens of yours pay half a million a year EACH worker in tax

      12. Caiden says:

        Is anyone stupid enough to believe there are only 103,000. let me explain how a lie works.

        “How many occupants and are there any illegal living in this house?”

        “uh…just me, no illegals…”


        See, illegals figure they’ll get deported if they admit they’re illegal… so they LIE ABOUT IT.

      13. Matthew Kaney says:

        THANK YOU to Daniel who is the only HALFWAY intelligent person posting here. The people that followed him up need to READ this. Listen, I’m sure you think your opinions are great. But FIRST, before you come to CONCLUSIONS, you need to learn how to READ and do some research. Because you are so damn dumb it hurts.. jw ross, you might want to learn how to use a calculator, because those numbers come out to $20k per person.. and the rest of you, if you think a statistic is wrong, go get the real number, or stfu and learn something. If you had bothered, you’d know that is estimated number of illegals who had taxes withheld, NOT including their families. Also, because they don’t have valid social security numbers, THEY DO NOT GET REFUNDS.

    2. Jojo says:

      as you soon as you drown in your overflowing rivers!

    3. Mike says:

      Is there anyway we can let West L.A. and all of the Bay area fall off in the ocean?

    4. Recklessprocess says:

      Make California go through bankruptcy. Let me stop paying for their stupid spending that I do not benefit from. I live in Oklahoma and we should not have to finance idiots who havent’ had a balanced budget since Reagan was Govenor.

      1. Jared says:

        California puts much more money into the federal pool than they get in return. Without California, you’d be paying more, not less. idiot.

    1. Murphys49 says:

      As a Northern Californian I think 2 states would be wonderful. The north is so different than the south. Then we could cut off San Francisco and let it float out to sea. Just wishing.

  4. Rob says:

    California belongs in three – Bay Area, SoCal, and Valley-and-Mountains. Three clearly separate regions with more obvious connections/concerns. What many people don’t realize is that California then becomes more politically strong, with the same number of representatives but 6 senators…

    1. SerfCityHereWeCome says:

      That 6 senator problem is easily rectified– after they default and collapse, combine coastal CA north of Orange County with NY, CT, MA, VT, RI, MD and IL into one Territory with NO senators or reps.

      1. Lyle says:

        That’s a little bit looney from a fact-perspective. NY, CT, MA, VT, RI, and MD produce most of the wealth of the nation and are some of the few states that have no chance to “default and collapse.” (IL is a different story.) Generally, red states take more money than they give to the federal government and have higher poverty rates and poor educational systems. Take a look sometime about state tax receipts to disbursements.

        Most comments here are part of the Drudge echo chamber. Such posters read opinions and come to believe that everyone thinks like they do or are crazy if they do not.

        The ideas of compromise and finding common-ground that our country was founded upon at the Constitutional Congress have been replaced with hyper-partisan craziness to the detriment of the country.

        It’s sad.

      2. Mikey says:

        Wrong Lyle. When you take account the federal welfare programs and pork projects, the liberal blue states soak up MUCH MUCH more than they take in.

        Where as the red states, Texas in particular, are true tax donor states.

        Nice try though. It’s not like we haven’t heard your weak talking points 10,000 times already…

      3. TTT says:

        Only like minded people can work together. This country may have been founded on people working together but none of those people were marxists/communists. Until the american left comes crawling back to america with its tail between its legs,I have nothing more to do with them. They are the enemy.

      4. dcsux says:

        Genius, man

      5. Billy Weeder says:

        Mikey, you are insanely incorrect. The red states bleed the blue states dry. The numbers don’t like. Brietbart and Drudge do, however.

      6. Michael says:

        Lyle, Billy, YOU are insane if you think that any of the states being discussed in this post are “contributing” to our society. ALL of them are facing massive budget shortfalls with Kalifornia, NY, and Illinois on the verge of DEFAULT!!

        I suggest you remove your tinfoil hats and allow the mother ship to collect you and take you home.

      7. No One Important says:

        Actually – that’s a “factual” canard.

        The figures the democrats like to quote as “the red states take more money”. . . . .those figures also include “military” spending.

        And gee, where are large military installations located? Lots of them in red states.

        Another factoid people should look up: When you factor pork and block grands and educational money – that liberal canard doesn’t hold up to facts.


      8. Stuki says:

        Lyle and Billy;
        that statistic is so simpleminded as to be entirely useless. If you just go by share of GDP, or tax receipts, then yes, the urban and coastal states are net contributors. But you have to look at where the output is coming from, as well as why the “red” states are not contributing more.

        If you do, one of the first things you find, is that the extreme level of regulation itself, shifts spending away from immediate producers, and towards services like legal, which are heavily concentrated in blue states. Similarly, and even more perversely, massive budget deficits and activist federal Reserve policy shifts untold trillions of wealth in the direction of immediate beneficiaries in the financial complex. It’s not like NY produces all that much that would be of any value were it not for artificial support by government and the Fed.

        In addition, much of blue state championed regulation, is aimed directly at reducing the output of red state industries, which for example tend to have a more immediate impact on the environment. And, remove federal level work and compensation regulations, all championed by the blue states, and red states would be even more competitive. At least many of the would.

        Of course, the only way to find out who leeches and who provides, is to blow the whole thing apart. Replace the US with a few hundred independent republics, each with about the same population as Washington’s America, and we’d truly be on to something.

    2. DomInCA says:

      6 Senators yes, but 40 million constiuants. What is the population of, let’s say Nevada, Arizona, and Utah?
      What most non Californians don’t realize is that outside of LA county, San Fran bay area, and some of Sac. area, alot of people are more conservative. We;re just BADLY out numbered!

      1. Roman Fingers says:

        You’re absolutely right. A good “rule of thumb” is that a county that touches the Pacific is a “blue” county. The rest of the state is red.

      2. R. Cook says:

        If you look at the demographics of the counties involved, you will find those counties are the most conservative in the state. Because of that we are the ignored step children of the liberal idiots in charge of the state. The bay area, Sacremento and Los Angeles are turning into crime ridden garbage dumps. I was in Law Enforcement in LA county for 28 years. I left in 1992.

        I would support the division.

      3. Otter says:

        You are absolutely right. I sit here shaking my head at the last governor’s election. The only explanation is that the majority of people were protecting their “entitlements,” the very things that are sinking us. I have no voice though because I’m deep into Orange County.

    3. Shawn Messier says:

      nor cal has better weed

  5. Imagine says:

    You think becoming MORE like Mexico is the answer…???…

    Ahhhh…… haaaaa……..haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa……….

    1. Mike Stallings says:

      They want to split from California you moron, not join Meico

      1. Cindy says:

        I am afraid f they split California we would eventually end up as part of Mexico and become part of the 3rd world. There are so many illegals here in So. Cal. that all they would need to do is vote one of them into office and we would be history.

      2. Bryan Garcia says:

        Imagine we want to become OUR OWN STATE, not join another country.

    2. Scott Osborn says:

      You do not get it do you? It would be just the opposite? or do you already understand that? Oh…you do don’t you. sorry…did not work my friend.

      1. Imagine says:

        Mike, Scott,

        Are you telling me this “region” will become MORE like the US…???…

        I’m not laughing anymore… Do both of you live in LA…???…


      2. Barack Mugabe says:

        Are you telling me this “region” will become MORE like the US…???…

        The NEW state will be more like the US. What’s left will resemble Mexico.

      3. Tina Rocha says:

        Nailed it Mugabe…..It’s about time conservatives rose up in this beautiful state we call home and turn the libbers into grease spots. This financial plane crash they’ve created for the rest of us will come to an abrupt end, it will be painful for a while but it will be well worth the fight. Oh and libbers? We’ll now take care of the border like adults and I’m a legal American-Mexican in that order.

    3. Scott Osborn says:

      The Northern California Liberals are the ones who want to make us like Mexico. Either you are a lib who wants to hide that fact and make a red herring, or you do not understand California Politics.

  6. sailordude says:

    The Democrats are making light of this but throughout America’s history there have been secession movements besides the Civil War. From Wikipedia:

    “California had a long history of attempted state secession movements, such as the State of Jefferson of 1940–41, the 1965 proposal of a new state of Southern California south of the Tehachapi mountains, and the current day “Inland” and “Coastal” California state proposals in the late 2000s.”

    If the Democrats can garner more electoral college votes for President this may gain some legs. It’s all about the power folks, all about the power.

    1. Cole says:

      Not sure if “proposals” constitute “movements”, though could be wrong. Spot on about power brokering, my friend.

    2. Linda says:

      It is illegal, though, according to our US Constitution, but according to the US Representative from the Charleston, SC district, James Clyburn, “We do stuff all the time that’s not in the Constitution.”

  7. Hope and Change 2012 says:

    Do it, show the rest of this weak kneed country that you do not have to put up with the Liberal agenda. Secede now!

  8. plaid says:

    The country of Mexico will no doubt try to intervene in this. They want South California to be North Mexico.

  9. Kluge says:

    Civil War 2.0
    “Go ahead; laugh. This time we have nukes.”

    1. Kerry says:

      And exactly what states would be attacking Southern California over this? Is Michigan going to send in their National Guard to LA? I don’t think so.

    2. Collin says:

      You’re an idiot.

    3. myksmom says:


    4. HD Ritscher says:

      This is not a “Civil War” because the new state is not leaving the United States, but making a 51st state. It would have its own 2 senators and requisite number of representatives.

  10. Chad says:

    “A secessionist movement? What is this, 1860?” Brown spokesman Gil Duran told The Press-Enterprise.

    Nah, the 1860s were all about Democrats seceding to keep their slaves. Since Sacramento has a state full of trapped slaves this would be nothing like the main secessionist movement of the 1860s.

    Now West Virginia’s move to flee a tyrannical and out-of-control Virgina – this proposal is far closer in spirit.

    1. Chad says:

      Actually, by seceding the South was guaranteeing that slavery was going to come to end. Simply, because the federal government would only be enforcing the Fugitive Slave Act for union slave states (Delaware, Kentucky, etc). After all , if the South had simply left over slavery they would have agreed to President Lincoln’s original 13th amendment which would have forever enshrined the right to slavery in the US Constitution.

      In reality, Lincoln’s war to prevent Southern Independence resulted in turning all people in the USA into the federal government’s slave. The personal income tax allows the Federal government to determine what percent of your own property and wealth you are allowed to keep after they take what they want. Don’t pay part of your hard earn money in the form of property tax? Well, then expect a law enforcement official to show up at your door and remove you at gun point.
      The state of West Virginia? Blatantly unconstitutional… of course since it worked in favour of the Federal government they weren’t going to question it to much.

    2. Dave says:

      Actually, West Virginia creation WAS unconstitutional. They never got permission from the Virginia State Legislature to form a new state. The Federal government just allowed it because it would give them another Union state. I, personally, will never recognize the state of West Virginia because it was never a real state to begin with.

      1. Stuki says:

        Dude, the more states, the better. The states are waaaay, waaay too big as it is. Anything to make them smaller and more directly accountable to each citizen

        Just imagine a world where Gov.Brown could enact all the high tax, socialist policies he wanted; but the law only applied to his own governors’ mansion. While I could happily enact more sane tax policies for people residing in my household. Best of all worlds, forever!

  11. David Bennett says:

    An idea dawns on me: States begin to secede one after another. Somewhere around 25 to 35 states bail and then the whole Union falls and D.C. will have nothing to govern. THEN . . . THEN the states begin a reconcilliation under the Constitution of the United States and we rebuild this whole thing.

    The only reason we follow what D.C says is because we have a perception that they are really calling the shots. Well, not if they don’t have anything to call shots about.

    1. Vital Rosa Pico Pt says:

      They are calling the shots only because the 14th Amendment CITIZENS are SLAVES TO DC DEMOCRACY and because they use IRS PIRACY of ADMIRALTY to STEAL their money Directly to DC and than use it to COntrol and Demand SLAVE LOYALTY.
      DC is a CORPORATION and only has power over it’s Federal employees and it’s teriitories: meaning Puerto Rico, Guam, etc. NOT the 50 individual republic nations. STOP sending your slave wages to the Foreign Collection Agency known as the IRS. Money is Power.

      ENSLAVED by DEMOCRACY whatever happened to LIBERTY & Land of The FREE?
      Wake UP – Stand Up – Opt Out – Join in

    2. Brent says:

      We may not need to wait for states to secede. When the dollar crashes and the nation goes bankrupt, they’ll be enough fear of God put into the citizenry that they’ll run to the Constitution.

  12. Jeff S says:

    Either secede… or South California should just merge with Arizona.

    1. hebgb says:

      We don’t want you idiots – we already have enough problems here and are trying hard to clean them up. Stay on your side of the mountains where you belong and deal with your problems yourself. You elected the reasons you are suffering, maybe you should vote them out and try to clean up the mess before inflicting what has happened there on someone else.

      1. passerby says:

        The counties listed are very much in the “Red zone” — conservative zone — of California. They would be an excellent addition to Arizona.

        However, I’d rather see a new state, since it would mean 2 more conservative senators!!!!!!

      2. Ross says:

        Good Lord that couldn’t be more true. We’ve been dealing with the idiot Yankees escaping their liberal cesspools they call cities that they’ve created for themselves and moving South in droves. It seems like Detroit has basically moved to North Carolina, which is why this once great state is turning blue with sickness. And when they come and invade like a plague of locusts, they continue to vote the same way that created the their mess in the first place. Isn’t that the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome…

      3. Stuki says:

        Ross, the exact same phenomenon is occurring in NH, once somewhat of a last bastion of any kind of sanity in New England.

        First the yahoos from Massachusetts, in their usual leftist zeal to preen around fashionably socialist, renders their own immediate surroundings practically inhospitable to civilized life.

        Then, they run off across the northern border to NH to escape the hell they have themselves created. But then, and get this, instead of making sure their new home does not get destroyed like their old one did, these backmarkers immediately set about destroying their new state as well, and by exactly the same means they once destroyed their old one. It’s flat out unbelievable!

      4. exbobbie says:

        hebgb…,.. The majority of the people in the Counties in the south east are conservatives, some extremely so like me. Maybe we could help you with your problems, cus we sure can’t do anything here, we are out numbered. I don’t think a large influx of conservatives would hurt your State, just saying.

  13. HOWIE SHAPSES says:


  14. Matthias says:

    What is the alternative? People stuck in a situation they did not make. Lives wrecked by people who no longer represent them.

    Do it. Secede.

    1. hebgb says:

      They elected those reasons they are failing. They wanted the freebies the campaigners promised and didn’t deliver. They deserve what they are dealing with. If they want to do something else, change the electorate like they should have done years ago.

      1. passerby says:

        “..They elected those reasons they are failing. They wanted the freebies the campaigners promised and didn’t deliver. They deserve what they are dealing with. If they want to do something else, change the electorate like they should have done years ago…”

        Actually a lot of California is “red” on the electoral map. A few highly populous, coastal “blue” zones are what nudges the state into Democrat lala land. Don’t punish the good Californias for the sins of the wicked cities of the coast.

        If there are but ten righteous men in Sodom, I will not destroy it…

      2. HD Ritscher says:

        San Francisco and Los Angeles are the reason that California is a Blue State. Take out those two counties and we would be a consistent Red state. Also who came up with this Red and Blue scheme? It should be Blue that represents Conservatives and Red that represents Liberals!

  15. Jim Dunham says:

    That would be the best possible thing for the southern part of the state AND the country. The liberal flakes and nuts have run the show for way too long. And if the electoral votes were split, it would make it significantly more difficult (if not impossible) for another Socialist moron to win the Presidency; and THAT would benefit us ALL>

    1. HD Ritscher says:

      He actually came up with 59 states all together,”It is wonderful to be back in Oregon,” Obama said. “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it.” He was even wrong when he said he had one left and then named two. Is it just a coincidence that there are 57 Islamic states in the UN?

  16. Juliio says:

    Something I have thought about for years. The ex-hippies in the North who are in power do not have the same values as those of us in the South. I keep voting and nothing changes. Lets loose them and get away from the 9th circuit court of appeals while we are at it!

  17. Sid S says:

    President Obama is a visionary! With Texas wanting to become 5 States, (some say legally) and California proposal of So Cal, he only needs to find ome more! With his popularity, maybe he can “administrate” Puerto Rico into statehood. That would give him his prediction.

    1. Ron K says:

      Texas statehood agreement when admitted to the Union included the right to split into 5 states or less. That right still exists and legally valid. There is no “some say”. Check it out.

      1. David Kelly says:

        Ron has it right, however I disagree with Sid on the idea that Texas “wants’ to split up into the 5 states…

        While it would not technically constitute secession, it is worth noting that, under the joint resolution of Congress by which the Republic of Texas was admitted to the Union, it had the right to divide itself into as many as five different states. It is not clear whether this provides any power beyond that already provided by the Constitution. What is clear is that the Texas Legislature would have to approve any proposal to divide the state using this prerogative. There were a significant number of Texans who supported dividing the state in its early decades. They were generally called divisionists. However, no state has ever been allowed to secede from the Union.[63][64][65]

        However, keep in mind that we still have the right to completely secede from the union….

        Texas Secession Movement: The group Republic of Texas generated national publicity for its controversial actions in the late 1990s.[81] A small group still meets.[82] In April 2009, Rick Perry, the Governor of Texas, raised the issue of secession in disputed comments during a speech at a Tea Party protest saying “Texas is a unique place. When we came into the union in 1845, one of the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that…My hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention. We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come of that.”[83][84][85][86]

    2. SerfCityHereWeCome says:

      Actually he was a little bit off– Obama’s America doesn’t have 57 states, it has 57 jobs.

      1. Miles30 says:

        Just to pick nits, Obama didn’t say there were 57 states, he said he’d been to 57 states and had one more to go (for a total of 58 states.

    3. Mary Wright Pippert says:

      Texas does not want to break up they want to get away from the liberal controlled country. If California manages to do this I think many places will follow.

    4. DougHD says:

      Sorry Sid S, your math doesn’t add up to Obama’s math. He said that’s he’s been in 57 states and has one more to go, so he thinks there are 58 🙂

  18. Christian James says:

    who’s Texas and Idaho going to secede from? SoCal is seceding from NorCal….

    1. David Bennett says:

      The United States.

  19. john murray says:

    Supervisor Stone has it right. Any organization that cannot no longer manage efficiently begins to downsize. Change is coming whether anybody wants it or not.

  20. jim says:

    When I first saw the headline i thought they were going to try to become part of Mexico which the liberal media would have loved. They would have had LaRazza parades and lots of speeches. It would have been a gigantic story.
    Its obvious that they are trying to get some attention about the high taxes and illegal alien crime so you will never see this story again.

    1. Tina Rocha says:

      Wrong Jim. We will inact the law of the land and by the laws mere virtue, those who are breaking it will merely mosey up to N Caliofnria where you all can employ, educate and assume thier healthcare, thats if your employed. No, if this does come to fruition we’ll take care of the problem.

  21. Mahakala says:

    That is a great idea. I’m all for it. Why let California siphon of tax dollars that can be better spent in the communities they came from

  22. kimdi01 says:

    And Northern California will just shut down the aqueducts that send all the water to So. Cal. Then the next state or country or whatever they want to be can called Death Valley. Don’t make those on whom you depend mad at you!

    1. Scott Osborn says:

      Does not work that way my friend. Red herring.

    2. SerfCityHereWeCome says:

      …but the NorCal parasites won’t have SoCal’s taxpayers to support them any longer and will be forced into cannibalization before they ever have a chance to shut off the water. Your last sentence applies far more in the other direction.

    3. Jhovey says:

      not that bright, are ya? The biggest reservoir is Diamond Lake in Winchester, CA. And here is a tip, just because we are in a different state doesn’t mean we can’t BUY things from Nor Cal.. After all, we aren’t part of China, yet we seem to buy plenty from them!

      1. Sourpuss says:

        Jhovey, the rich SouthCalifornia counties will build water desalination plants and sell the water to your northern areas. SouthCalifornia will be able to do this because their government will encourage job building and have a healthy tax base. Northern CA will be sucking our tit soon.

    4. Todd Dunning says:

      kimdi your threats exemplify the reason NorCal needs to be cut off from SoCal’s allowance once and for all

    5. Ed says:

      We will stop sending hot chicks up north.

      1. Su Yu says:

        Stop sending STD’s too?!!!!

      2. DarrelB says:

        No! Not that.

      3. Barack Oh-Bama says:

        L.A. gets 60% of its water from NoCal. Half of SoCal gets its water from AZ and CO.

    6. Scott Osborn says:

      Thank you for showing all who read this section how easy it will be to defeat the lib argument!

    7. Marcelino Ben says:

      Actually, So.Cal gets it’s water from the Sierras and the Colorado. So Cal would be able to cut off the water to LA.

  23. Jillie says:

    Kari – this won’t be a first, remember the Civil War ?

    All for succession but it a long road and, more likely, just a threat.

  24. Me says:

    Sign me up now.

  25. JustSayNoNow says:

    sounds crazy on the surface – but, I like it. Hope it gets some traction.

  26. Sid Fein says:

    I agree Marc. California is too large for Sacremento to administer effectively. A two state solution would bust up years of filibusters designed to keep those in power elected. Provided the division is done according to federal guidlines laid down in the 1800’s when this sort of thing was common I’m all for it. Power to the People!

    1. Soquel Creek says:

      Don’t forget, a newly-formed South California would have its very own two Senators instead of do-nothing Senator Boxer, who was elected by the large urban population centers located outside of South California.

    2. Citizen of Southern California says:

      It would be great to have two new Senators representing Southern Cal interests instead of do nothing Boxer who only cares about her buddies in Northern Cal, we could also be rid of Peelousy as well! We could get rid of that whole bunch and finally have Senators and Reps representing issues important to So.Cal rather than continued monopolizing and filibustering by the Northerners in Sac Town!

  27. Tom Ted says:

    I like this idea. You can’t keep playing the race card, implying people are racist for looking at secession. If they add an amendment to their new South California state Constitution to limit property taxes, it would be a huge boon for them. People would move there.

  28. Robert says:

    It needs to be done. We need to save ourselves!

    Go SoCal!!!

  29. Kathy Heckman says:

    Great idea. Then we won’t have to send our water down the aquaduct to keep their desert green.

    1. afterwords says:

      I fully support this….I hope he does go through with proposing this. Time for a drastic change….the airheads in No. CA should have to fend for themselves and not take So. CA down with them.

      1. Sam Imam- Eli says:

        Hey now, there are some great folks in “far north cali” In fact, just prior to World War 2 the folks in Siskiyou County attempted to secede from CA for similar reasons.

        Google, Jefferson State, it was a popular movement in the late 30’s, early 40’s.

      2. Collin says:

        Airheads in Northern Cali? Great generalization. All the times I’ve visited, they’re much more welcoming than the rest of the state.

      3. Stuki says:

        Sam Imam- Eli,

        Aside from having about the coolest web handle of anyone, anywhere; you are soo correct. The entire North East of the state is very much not on board with the socialistopia the coastal population centers are forcing on them.

        The divide is really more coastal vs. inland, rather than north cs. south. And even along the coasts, there are pockets of reality enforced sanity. LA, Santa Barbera and the Bay Area are really unique, in that they are home to industries (highest of high tech, entertainment and retirement real estate) so unaffected by competition that they can afford to act like trust fund college kids, whose main concern is trying to look as cool as they think Che was. Which is fine, I guess, as long as they could stick to themselves.

        The problem is, their “cool, hip solutions” simply don’t work for those forced to actually compete with other locales. Hence, the rest of the state would be lots better off if these guys, creative and brilliant as many of them may be, simply went their own way and stopped interfering in our lives.

    2. Roman Fingers says:

      You do know that most of the big water and hydroelectric plants are in Fresno and Tulare counties, right? And some of that water actually gets shipped to the Sacramento delta, right?

      We’ll keep our water, you keep yours.

      1. Lightning Bird says:

        @ Roman Fingers I agree with you, but if we stopped sending the water to Sacramento, then wouldn’t that also solve the problems with the farmers in the Central Valley not getting enough water for their crops? Imagine how much more fruit we would grow, then.

  30. hebgb says:

    Well it didn’t take long for some people to become disenchanted and dissappointed in Jerry “Moonbean” did it.

    1. exbobbie says:

      Hell hebgb, many of us were disenchanted with this moron even before he was elected, we can remember his last disastrous term of office, he didn’t get the name ‘moonbeam’ for nothing. A good deal of the problems we are now experiencing can be laid directly at his feet.

  31. Mike in Murrieta says:

    I heard Supervisor Stone speak recently. He had a good point: Every official whether Governor or otherwise in Sacramento is from Northern California and all their decisions are based on Northern Cal needs and issues. Not Southern California.

    Yet, most of their tax revenue comes from Southern California.

    I’d say Stone should continue on this path and never give up.

    1. jil in temecula says:

      I am in temecula. I wish I knew how i could participate.

    2. LagunaTina says:

      Yesss, Stone needs to get this out there. He’d have 89% support.

  32. Brad says:

    It’s too late. California has become a thrid world waste land thanks to decades with a left-wing state legislature handing out freeebies to anyone able to move or sneak in.
    Yes, yes,…I know, there are pockets of nice areas but in general California is a dump. And, you can’t blame the governor, he has very little power. It’s the Democrat controlled state legislature that has ruined the state with free hand outs, red tape, regulation, taxes and environmental policies that make no sense.

  33. barf says:

    Hey, time for a new constitution too! the old one has too much baggage…. and while we’re on it, if california was a country it would be the 7th richest…. bust it up, unlike the red states we get back less in federal monies than texas…

    1. StaticKlingon says:

      California as a state is flat-a$$ broke, but as a country it would be the 7th richest?

      1. exbobbie says:

        StaticKlingon……The reason it would be the 7th richest Country is because of the revenue it generates and collects. The reason it is flat broke is because, just like our federal government, it spends more than it takes in, which is the case in most States run by Democrats.

  34. Sid Fein says:

    Virginia, West Virginia
    North Carolina – South Carolina
    Norht Carolina – Tennessee

    There is plenty of precedent, I don’t think it would be unconstitutional provided the precedent is followed.

    1. Cole says:

      Incorrect. West Virginia split from Virginia at the outset of the Civil War, a time when the Constitution hardly applied to the Confederacy. The other two situations occurred before 1776, though TN was admitted in 1796.

      Not precedent by any means. While this proposal indeed makes a whole lot of sense, it won’t happen. Unfortunate.

    2. Fluidizer says:

      Hey Cole!
      It can be vigorously argued that The South ere the ONLY ones that supported the Constitution. It was about State Rights you know. and the victor, as victors always do, rewrote history to make themselves look…….Righteous.
      Why do you think we have been raised to laugh at Southerners every since? Do you really believe you are intellectually superior to them, just because you feed at the Government Trough?
      Do you really believe Obama is NOT destroying America and our freedom and hope of a better life?
      Guilty on all counts aren’t you, Dude?

    3. David L says:

      The people of West Virginia applied to the Congress for statehood and were admitted into the Union by an act of Congress in 1863. And an act of Congress could create a new state today.

  35. Msut says:

    Given the kooks and nut cases, such as Jerry Brown and most of the state legislature, that have been running California into the ground for a long time, I wish LA county, where I live, would get in on any seccesssion.

    1. DarrelB says:

      LA County is as much of a problem as SF. What would be the point?

  36. Pete McDonough says:

    Article IV Section 3.1 clearly states that, “New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state;

    But if Time Magazine is right…..none of that matters anyway!

    1. Scott Osborn says:

      That means that California cannot make a new state within itself that is under ITS JURISDICTION.. Not that California cannot split. Read it again.

    2. Jim Dunham says:

      That’s why it is a secession.

  37. Brian B. says:

    I would support the idea as long as the state of Southern California governs more like Teas and less like Sacramento.

    1. Brian says:

      Texas I mean. Sacramento taxes so much the “x” on my keyboard went missing. Ha

      1. Cineski says:

        This is true. This state is so dumb they feel the need to enact even more laws going after Amazon. Funny thing is, if they lowered the sales tax to 0-5% people would buy so much more locally. Of course this would take a brain in the state and since it’s run by liberals there is no such thing.

  38. Jeff says:

    They’re not seceeding from the Union, like in 1860, they’re seceeding from the state, to form the 51st state. Always thought that would be Porto Rico. Anyway, the division of electorial college votes into two states, one of which would be less rabidly progressive, would be a real blow to Democratic presidential campaigns. I nice dream, but I don’t think this is going to go anywhere….

  39. J Ruben Kincaid says:

    Texas should secede from the United States, the federal is rotten to its core.

    1. Lonnie says:


      I pray for the day that becomes reality. If we can find a way to fund ourselves without federal money, there will be no reason not to secede.

      1. Jay says:

        If you took the amount Texans are sending to the fed in personal and corporate taxes (and getting little in return – no disaster relief after 3 MILLION acres burned, etc) I’ll bet you could run a country pretty well. I’m sure somebody’s done that math somewhere…

      2. enoughAlready911 says:

        Count Oklahoma in with you Texas!
        I bet we could get LA, AR, KS, NB, SD,ND,WY,ID, MT…..and maybe IA,MO,CO

        You want to see what these “fly over” states contribute? Give us a try.
        We sort of have everything you others need to buy…….Oil, Gas, Wheat, Corn,soybeans,livestock,major infrastructure(gas pipelines, undergrounds storage), massive quantity of fiber lines run HQ’ed in Tulsa OK, Chesapeake Oil/Gas, Conoco/Phillips HQ and plenty of other large players in industry.

        Texas with major new oil fields, the Dakota’s with major resources found, Oklahoma&Kansas opening up more horizontal drilling daily. These states listed may have small deficits today but do not come anywhere near the financial mess that is CA,NY,ILL.,etc.

        Oklahoma is with you Texas…..both states believe in the individual, the value of hard work and that freedom means the pursuit of happiness not the guarantee of it.

      3. Mikey says:

        Look up the term “Tax donor state” and get back to us Lonnie.

      4. Terry Furlough says:

        Look up”True costs of illegals” and get back to us..

  40. Stephen Smith says:

    Go for it! Lead the way.

  41. Ben Linus says:

    It’s not unconstitutional. States can and have split up. Maine was part of Massachusetts. New Hampshire was part of New York. They can split off and become two states, California and Southern (or SouthEastern) California. There is a procedure and it’s not forming another nation. They’d just become a 51st State.

    1. StaticKlingon says:

      It’s still a long way from 57.

    2. Peter Bergstrom says:

      Vermont was part of New York. New Hampshire was a separate colony and one of the original 13 states.

    3. Cole says:

      All of this happened during colonial times. There is no modern (as in post-1776) precedent I can think of, other than West Virginia. Actions taken during the Civil War would be tough to qualify as precedent.

    4. Karen says:

      Cole needs to study history. Maine seceeded from Massachusetts and became a separate state in 1820.

      I’m guessing he went to a California public school….

    5. Ben Linus says:

      Peter thanks for the correction. I was writing from memory and didn’t fact check. I’m also not necessarily advocating this. Just pointing out that it *is* constitutional and there *is* precedent.

  42. JustAGuy says:

    Brilliant! I’m all for it! It’s obvious the folks in LA County, Ventura county, and up north behave like they’re on hallucinogens, it makes sense.

  43. No More So Cal says:

    Oh yeah, I honestly don’t believe that a bunch of bleeding heart liberals in SoCal will do anything to secure the border, I know they will do everything they can to open up the borders and allow it to become a pure sanctuary state for illegal aliens. I am just waiting for the day that the big earthquake swallows the majority of SoCal. Good riddance.

  44. steve says:

    Let them secede into Mexico…

  45. Bob Kutz says:

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another . . .

    let go.

  46. bigtiddy says:

    Welcome to our plight in Upstate New York

  47. Portia says:

    I read a fabulous book written in 1989 (can you believe it) that stated that by 2035, the lower half of California, Arizona, New Mexico and parts of Colorado and Texas would secede and become their own country. I believe this is a real possibility with the way things are going…obviously something has to be done.

  48. Kerry says:

    I love this idea, but why form another state that will be tied to an even bigger sinking ship. Just for your own country (and no I am not joking). The Nation of SoCal would be on par with Taiwan and Singapore.

    1. Anonymoose says:

      And NorCal would be doing pretty good as well. The states of the old Northwest Territory (Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin) would exceed Germany by a wide margin, especially when no longer hamstrung by obtuse and crippling environmental regulations. You could go on with this list ad nauseum.

      Come to think of it, what is wrong with this place anyway? This is a serious question, and I, for one, would like to see your answers

  49. James Earl Ray says:

    Seced and kick La Razza and MS-13 out of the state and the country before Obummer and the Democratic Party unionizes or naturalizes them.
    Then Northern Kalifornia can be called Pelosiland or Brown’s Bad Bag.
    Hope and Change in 2012, out with the trash!!!!!!

    1. popeserg says:

      We will soon be the majority and we will kick you out.

      1. Armando says:

        Oh that’s nice: racialist Mexicans like popeserg are now ringing in. Why the hell isn’t anybody calling these people on their BS?

      2. Terry Furlough says:

        nah.. they’ll just shoot you.. vato

  50. Vincent Vendretti says:

    It is not unconstitutional for a state to break away from another state, it is only questionable if a state wishes to leave the Union. Kentucky and West Virginia both used to be apart of Virginia, and both broke away due to issues of representation. If SoCal wants to go, let them go.

    1. vicky bennett says:

      I say let them do it. Then in a couple years see how well they are doing. And I believe they will be doing well. especially if they build the southern fence.

  51. JohnC says:

    Here’s and idea…call it New New Mexico.

  52. Melvin says:

    I have been advocating an Economic Secession like this for some time now. The political ideology’s are just to far apart now. Why should Conservatives have to pay for crony-capitalism, Planned Parenthood, or even ACORN.
    If there were to be Liberal States then the Liberals could have as large as government as the wanted without Conservative interference
    Conservatives on the other hand could have less government, less government regulation for small businesses, and have manageable controls on crony -capitalism..
    Everyone now realizes that this Country in order to survive cannot keep going down the road it is currently traveling down.
    People, you don’t see it now and some do. Gov. Brown’s policies will be the ruination of California. When Gov. Brown was elected the first time many of the policies he put into place are still in effect bankrupting the State.
    May Heaven have mercy on your souls.

  53. StaticKlingon says:

    No, don’t give them statehood. Kick southern California out and let them form another country or become a colony of another planet. I’m leaning towards the latter, but whatever gets rid of them.

    1. Todd Dunning says:

      Klingon, your end of the state makes Cuba a paradise. We’re the one’s kicking you out to clean up the filthy bankrupt hippie mess you’ve created up there.

      1. StaticKlingon says:

        You seriously think I would be stupid enough to live in either? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    2. Scott Osborn says:

      Red Herring Static, It would be SoCal kicking out Nor Cal…but you already realize that don’t you? Revising history before we even get there. You libs are really the early birds these days aren’t you?

  54. Shistskin says:

    LMFAO Delux! Think you can draw in Brown as your new Govener???


    If you are successful, just name the new state “Nowhities”

  55. Jerry says:

    Why not get out from under the federal Leviathan while you are at it?

  56. William Johnson says:

    One can only wonder what is going on behind the lines, with Stone’s support from the $cientology cult…something is afoot!

  57. wanlo says:

    If you ve ever been to there counties, It is quite apparent that secession will not make for a “vibrant economy” (unless, of course, the new state legalizes meth). Good riddance! So long! welcome to the new state of dustdirtia!

  58. Todd Dunning says:

    As a Southern Californian having lived in and owned businesses in the Bay Area for 15 years, secession is a brilliant answer to the problem. Brain functions drop at least 50% in the northern half of the state, replaced by smugness, superiority, lack of hygiene and the desire to convert California to Cuba.

    San Francisco, once the jewel of the western US, is now an open latrine. Now vagrants around the world stream in for a monthly homeless stipend, room and board that exceed the starting salary of a SF school district teacher. SF doesn’t mind that they owe California over $2 billion – they’re proud that they suckered us knuckle-dragging workers.

    1. RobbieK says:

      You are correct! San Francisco used to be a nice Navy town that the majority of Navy personnel wanted to be stationed in, with the majority of people who lived there in a normal state of mind. The last time I went there, the streets smelled like urine, even in the nicer areas of downtown. I used a bathroom in a restaurant and nearly threw up because a needle was laying behind a toilet and the urinals reeked of fermenting human excrement. San Francisco now looks just like Vancouver, Canada which was also once a great city.

  59. RobFromTexas says:

    I say put LA county in the list, but make the capitol, Irvine. Then SoCal goes into LA county and cleans out the illegals once and for all. If SoCal wants to secede, I’m all for it and will gladly move out there to assist them in making it happen!

  60. edword says:

    Look for more of this to come. The insanity cannot be sustained indefinitely.

    1. Barb says:

      It can’t happen too soon. Where do we sign up?

  61. TBO says:

    They should call the southern portion the state of Californina and the northern portion the state of Confusion

    1. Mikey says:


    2. Mark Santeramo says:

      That’s weird..a lot of the recent reporting on economic prosperity out in California has come from the northern part of the state. Pot growers are apparently reaping major rewards for their services where it is logically allowed and sensibly controlled. So you were saying?

      1. moreco2 says:

        Number one cash crop. Even the park rangers are afraid to go into the parks.

    3. Wolf says:

      ;0) LOL

  62. Willy E says:

    Does Stone realize the majority of those counties are a drag on the state’s economy, receiving more tax revenue than they generate? NorCal & the coastal communities would love nothing more.

    This is the equivalent of those on welfare deciding to secede so they can form a more robust economy. Good luck!

    1. Scott Osborn says:

      Actually it is the spending problem in the North that is the problem.. So I think we will take our chances.

  63. Frank says:

    You dopes. The Real Power wants a North American Union. The Latino population of the US will be 30%-40% by 2050, and 1 out of 5 in the US will be immigrants. They need more influence of other cultures, and less American nationalism. Once they have a North American Union, European Union, Asian Union, African Union, etc, then their plan for world domination will be almost complete. Their power will supersede the power of the President, Judiciary, and Legislature. There will be a single currency, single world government, single police force. In 100 years, there won’t be any such thing as an American flag. Happy 4th!

    1. StaticKlingon says:

      Come and take it.

      1. Mikey says:

        Agreed. The words “cold dead hands” come to mind when the subject of a North American Union comes up.

  64. sans culottes says:


  65. heatherfeather says:

    Secession will be a big byword after the failure of the Federal government. I would expect the USA to break into as many as 9 regions. It’s too late to stop the current debacle from unfolding, so we may as well begin discussing the steps taken after the collapse.

  66. RSV says:

    Good for you SoCal, hope the idea catches on….the smaller our states, the closer they are to those they represent and the more likely they are to be responsive to the people’s issues!

  67. Cindi says:

    It worked for South Carolina. It should work for South California.

  68. Franklin Lopez says:

    I ABSOLUTELY 100% agree with you Mr! And I live in San Francisco no less! This state is the epitome of insanity!

    1. craig says:

      I say let’s split California up into at least 3 different states, then perhaps we could save at least part of it from the clutches of the stupid Democrats who are doing their level best to destroy the entire state! Let the Demos have the most liberal parts of the state, then who cares if they sink their part with their nutty Socialist schemes?

  69. Jerry says:

    They are talking about secedeing from the state, not the nation!

  70. seeya says:

    This article is missing the most important information. Who do we contact to help get this on the ballot? Is it a ballot initiative that would decide this? Who are the legitimate groups pushing for this and how would one go about donating money or volunteering?

  71. Robert M. says:

    To those that feel this would lead to a “Nothern Mexico”… did you see what county was left out? Los Angeles. Which means they are not trying to make a “Northern Mexico” they are making a distinction in values from LA and the illegal sanctuary it is today.

    This is just as much of a separation from LA as it is from Northern California.

  72. Sam Imam- Eli says:

    I kinda wish Southern California would secede from the United States.

    Only problem is it would become third world immediately and all it would do is allow illegal immigrants to migrate further North before

    I think there is some merit to counties forming their own states. The objective being that local jurisdictions are best at handling the needs of their folks. CA is WAY TOO BIG and has too many people now to be managed under one state entity.

    1. Scott Osborn says:

      You do not realize that our problem of securing the borders comes from the northern liberals?

  73. Ted in San Diego says:

    I live in San Diego and we’re all for it! Folks laugh at secessionist talk, but if the Federal Gov’t keeps over-reaching and over-spending, these United States each have rights and power to do just that. A message needs to be sent. Most people don’t realize the massive fiscal burden that Obamacare will place on every state via huge increases in Medicaid costs, which are the responsibility of the States and grow exponentially as the waivers go away and 100’s of thousands of employees are pushed off their current employer-provided healthcare. States are shrugging and have every right to.

  74. Campbell says:

    “What is this, 1860?” Brown spokesman Gil Duran told The Press-Enterprise when confronted with the idea.

    “What is this, 1917 Russia?” the voters of Southern California said when confronted with the governing ideas of the Brown administration.

  75. scr1bbler says:

    That’s step 1.

    In step 2, the Hispanics, who claim the territory by right of inheritance from their “Aztlan” ancestors, secede from the U. S. and realign with Mexico.

    ¡Hasta la vista, ilegales!

  76. Tom Foster says:

    Idaho and Texas are great just the way they are. As for my ex home state of Cali, you crazies spend 21 BILLION a year on illegals alone! Insane taxes, regulations and pinko unions running the so called “legislature”, the state is DONE. Get out SoCal while and if you can! We of Idaho will send some Snake River water to you!!!! MOT

  77. CatTex says:

    If this happens I will visit CA more often, I mean SoCa. Good for you all..

  78. Soquel Creek says:

    Perhaps Governor Brown, Gil Duran, and Bob Buster would be well advised to study their California history. There has already been at least one successful secession from within California. In 1850, the Gold Rush town of Rough and Ready seceded over newly-imposed taxes and prohibition in Nevada County. It later rejoined California and the Union. Supposedly, the town still celebrates Rough and Ready’s Secession Day, held the last Sunday in June.

    In 1941, a group from Norther California and Southern Oregon wanted to create the independent state of Jefferson. The movement there is apparently still alive for some.

    Unfortunately, secessionist talk begins when the state or national government no longer represents its citizens and instead becomes a burden to the citizenry. Are we there yet? I’m not sure, but it does appear that the state government doesn’t much serve anybody’s interest at the moment, except those of the well-monied special interests. It seems unable or unwilling to enact basic safeguards against waste, fraud, and abuse of taxpayer dollars.

    CHART: The 15 Biggest Spenders in California Politics, according to the California Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC)

  79. Frank says:

    Kathy,ever heard of desalinisation plants?

    1. scott E says:

      Frank, you are right. Once we separate ourselves from the ex-hippies, we can futher develop nuclear power and make desalination cost effective. I would bet they would give us the reactor at Diablo Canyon if we offered them some candle wax from our petro reserves. We dont need their water, especially if we kick out the illegals. Hippies are turing off the tap to protect the delta smelt anyway.

  80. David says:

    Ridiculous. I lean conservative, but this is preposterous. Only politicians believe that all it takes is legislation to create a new state. What about the other logistics of running a state aside from immigration and education? Where is “South California” going to get its water? Where is it going to get its energy? DMV? Health Services? Its own version of CalTrans?

    The reason those counties are disproportionately represented is because they’re outnumbered by people and resources. I’m not happy with what’s going on in California either, but secession is asinine.

    1. Vincent Vendretti says:

      Nothing worthwhile is done easily. No infrastructure existed before someone put it there. SoCal has more than enough money to implement a standalone infrastructure on top of what is already there, if they aren’t being bled dry by the rest of the state.

    2. Let's do It says:


      The same thing can be completed for SoCal the same way it is currently. Water can be purchased and those “Water Rights” could be negotiated. Energy, LA county already buys power from AZ, next. DMZ, who says the new state would require the insane amount of Regulations currently on the books. We could parse services to what is required and do just fine.

      If you need help moving North, let me know, I’ll bring my truck.

  81. Mark says:

    although I don’t live in california, Ive been saying this for several years, maybe the answer is california is too big and should be two states.

  82. Ornley Gumfudgen says:

    Sounds good ta me but split it at th northern boundaries of San Luis Obispo, Kern and San Bernardino whair it’s a straight line. Anything south of that line is Southern Calefornia an anythang north of that line is Northern California.

    I would even throw in the Bay Area if it helped but nothing else.

  83. Michael says:

    Secessionist have been in Texas since we joined the Union after being our own independent country. It’s far from a new idea.

    1. FreeWillie says:

      Amen Sweetie!

    2. pat says:

      I love the idea of secession but keep in mind who your dealing with. the federal government is the legal mafia. it started with the 13 colonies, or as i like to call them. the 13 origonal east coast crime families. all other states began as territories. they all wanted to join the legal mafia, but first they had to prove they were “good earners”. after this was done, they became “made states” which allowed all 50 crime families to send their represenatives to D.C. for the big “sit down” sometimes called a congressional session. the legal mafia also has a “commision” frequently refered to as the united states supreme court. the commisions job is to mediate disputes between the rival crime families. if you are still not convinced, then just remember this. you can get in the mafia but you can never get out. if you try to leave they will kill you. I think the civil war proves the point .

      1. Ken JP Stuczynski says:

        Interesting perspective. I think there may be some truth to that.

  84. Bill says:

    Great, if it spilts in two and we have another state, just means two more liberal Senators….

    1. Todd Dunning says:

      Actually I can guarantee Barbara and Dianne won’t be choosing office drapes on this side of the state line

  85. Collin says:

    That’s one of the silliest things I have ever heard. Our country relies heavily on materials and products that are regionally harvested and created – you really want to try another civil war? Splitting states is far different from splitting a nation.

  86. Jack says:

    Good luck getting water. Want water? pay us, suckas!

    1. Chris says:

      We will send it over SoCal!

      Chris from Arizona.

  87. Ted in San Diego says:

    A split North and South California would end up looking a lot like North and South Korea….the North with a dying economy and no jobs, and the South with a vibrant Democracy, economy and jobs. Socialism doesn’t work folks…it’s cute in a beaker but ultimately it stifles entrepreneurialism and economic growth. It just does.

    1. John John says:

      I agree with your points, however the northern part of the state has shown they are so committed to socialism and over-regulation, while SoCal (except the actual city of LA) is more conservative and focused on American principles. That being said, it’s not fair for the South to have to deal with Jerry Marx Brown and the corrupt commies in Sacramento. If this goes through, this could send shock waves across the country and could result in other states getting out of the high-debt Washington-centric place our country has turned into, altogether.

      1. Joe says:

        Frisco and Sac commies are hardly NorCal. Sac can be barely considered NorCal.

        Think about how big the state actually is. We up in the North are very conservative and/or libertarian. The bay can rot for all I care, but don’t blame us in the North for your wows from Central California.

        I lived in San Diego as well, but it is not the conservative safe heaven you make it out to be, especially when compared to the actual North.

  88. John John says:

    Woo hoo! So if this goes through, you’ll have Stupid California (the North) and Smart California (the South). Go for it!

  89. BigBoa says:

    Don’t be stupid. This will just make it easier for Mexico to claim it! How f’in blind ARE you people? It has practically joined Mexico as it is. Once the state is split in two, the southern part will annex to Mexico and then they’ll continue with the north.

    1. Barack Mugabe says:

      Are you kidding — as long as the left is running the state, the chances are already high they will eagerly hand the state over to Mexico. Creating a SoCal will ensure a piece of it stays American.

  90. Voice Of Reason says:

    It clearly states in the headline no term limits…and the mush-brained people of California are all for it. Too bad you can’t fix stupid.

  91. Joe says:

    If it catching steam, good.

    California have three very different regions. If SoCal wants to break off, good, that supports us in NorCal to get away from them. It’s funny how people in SoCal blame Sac-town and North for all of their problems when they have the population density that keeps voting communists into our state government… morons… but I accept their proposal, let them go so we can go as well. Leave Sac and Frisco to their demize.

    1. Larry says:

      Living on the Central Coast, I’d like both the North and South to secede.

  92. Bella says:

    But please take Placer County with you

  93. schufly says:

    Newport Beach should become its own state. That is where all the money is.

  94. Dave Dobbie says:

    As a Northern Californian from the Sierra Nevada Mtns, I think this is a great idea. Of course, we’ll keep our water now…thank you very much. 😉 **grin**

    “Stay thirsty my friends.” 🙂

    1. Todd Dunning says:

      Dave, in exchange we’ll stop paying for your existence and desalinate our own water with the savings

      1. Bernard Russelman says:

        I love it when liberals try to “blackmail” the Conservative people by thinking they could “cut off the water” to Southern CA, but I love ths reply from Todd Dunning, who knows that there is the whole Pacific Ocean to get water from!

        I have been to CA several times, so I am only guessing WHY, because as we know there are always so many wildfires in CA, where it is so DRY, but there seem to be NO DESALINATION PLANTS along the coast or even offshore.

        I have a feeling that it MUST have been attempted, but liberals/leftists must have shut those ideas down, because it might “endanger marine life”, so instead California BURNS every year because there is not enough water to fight fires that destroy so much property and acreage each year.

  95. jc says:

    Great Article and a better idea…time to say goodbye to the crazy liberal zombies destroying our State which is headed for default. It’s time we clean up the mess and get rid of the insane politicians in Sacramento and San Francisco.

    Bye Bye LA/Mexicali enjoy your gangland real estate. Don’t worry LA your Mayor will safe you – just hide behind his 6 foot wall and security cameras he built around his house. Enjoy

  96. Cineski says:

    I gotta be honest, as a Californian, this is not a bad idea. The state is completely falling apart and the voter base of this state is about as mixed up as they can be. They consistently hire liberal loonybirds to run things but then vote out Gay Marriage. The rest of the state has become a wasteland BECAUSE of the big cities and their insane liberal viewpoint that place a stupid fish above human beings. That is exactly why there’s such a Meth problem in CA….because the water was turned off. It’s because the politicians have laid waist to farming. What would be a better idea is to make everything from LA county to San Francisco the Union of West California. They can continue to destroy themselves and the American culture with rampant Unions, immigrants who refuse to assimilate, and the rest of CA can and would thrive.

  97. bella says:

    No they haven’t, Placer County is the most conservative county in the state.

  98. RobInTexas says:

    Fact is, San Luis Obisbo, Santa Barbara and other cities aren’t Liberal and would want to join in the new Republic of SoCal, so that is why the boundary needs to be further North. Once the Republic of SoCal is established, the new immigration laws will allow our newly formed immigration agency to round up all illegals in LA county and deport them back to Mexico, Guatemala and every other 3rd world hell hole they came from. The City of Angels will be restored, but the Watts issue will finally have to be dealt with. Look for more prisons to be built because a sweep of Watts will have to occur. Believe me, if Southern California secedes, I’ll visit there alot on vacation and start investing money in industry there BIG TIME!

    1. Dam Ba says:

      LA would become a ghost town if you rounded up all the illegals.

  99. russ says:

    only if the south agrees to take sf and berkeley with them

  100. Richard L.A. Schaefer says:

    Southern California should follow secession with becoming part of the state of Texas. It does seem to be more ideologically compatible with Texas regarding general policies, but also in that some in Texas have made murmurings about seceding (from the Union, in the case of Texas). And so many Californians and and California companies and jobs have already gone to Texas anyway. An extra motive is the point made by the Texan liberal columnist Molly Ivens (R.I.P.) She praised Texas for being more tolerant of immigrants and Hispanics than California is. She noted that when a recession hit California, its people tended to turn on immigrants and go after them; Pete Wilson tried to ride that pony to the presidency. She noted that in contrast when the low oil prices hit Texas, Texas took it like a man and didn’t blame immigrants or Hispanics–whom, she said, Texas has always treated better than California did in any economic situation. Note that the same oilmen who didn’t beg for government held during a down oil market are now being attacked and threatened with various kinds of reprisals as the prices go up. What happened in California is that they got President Clinton to “cheat” on the closing of military bases and keep some bases open in California that were slated to close. The action was so awful and disgusting that it ended up stopping any further consideration of another “independent” commission on closing military bases.

    1. TedInElPaso says:

      Richard, excellent comment, but Texas ‘legal’ Mexican immigrants are nearly 60% evangelical Christians and vote Republican. The big difference between Texas and California is that Texas Mexican immigrants actually become successful because they have a Protestant evangelical presence in their lives.

  101. Casey Vitoria says:

    They all going to be crying down South when they see their new water bill =).

    1. Todd Dunning says:

      Casey the Bay Area wiped out the central valley by cutting off all the water. Drive down the 5 sometime.

      Think you’re going to hold us hostage with water? We’ll stop paying for your existence, and build some desalination plants with the savings. Nice try though.

      1. Ryan says:

        Todd, your claim is not quite correct. There is a man behind all of that. His name is Maurice Strong, and he has been the leading influence that caused the water shortages we have today. He is also the leading force causing global warming to even be addressed in the government. In truth the earth is cooling. His philosophy is to use a number of factors such as the ones I mentioned before to drive the world into one economy. This man is economically just as dangerous to the world as Osama Bin Laden was to human life when he was alive, if not more.

    2. Chris says:

      No need to worry SoCal. We will make sure you get plenty of water from our river.

      Chris in Arizona.

    3. Barack Mugabe says:

      Their new tax bills will more than make up for it.

    4. John says:

      We would get it from the Colorado river and the Eastern(Mono and Inyo Counties)Sierra slopes-just like we do now…Southeastern California wont need as much as LA county will not be a part-but thanks for the aqueduct

  102. Paul says:

    If we did this process 7 times we could actually get to the 57 states Barry thinks already exist. Better to change the state count than to make the obvious intellectual and/or educational inference.

  103. maitaisoo says:

    Forget about seceding… we should immediately annex Mexico with its 31 states. The US flag gets 81 stars, all the Mexicans become immediate US citizens so no further need to sneak across the state lines, we get immediate access to all those oil fields, us Gringos get to move to the mui beautiful el cheapo beach front haciendas down in the now REALLY southern states, US Federales (FBI, ATF, SS, etc.) can go down there and really clean out the gangs like they did with the Mafioso AND other too numerous benefits to mention here.

    1. RobbieK says:

      hahahaha! Great comment!

  104. deserttrek says:

    All for it. Enough of the illegal alien led liberals draining my wallet to pad theirs. Where do I sign?

  105. Interventor says:

    As part of their acceptance as a state, Congress gave California the right to subdivide into upto three states. The result would be the US would have 51 states — including one sane and one insane.

  106. Alex Winter says:

    Call it Mexifornia.

  107. r ross says:

    We in the southern part of the state wouild be so much better off without the Boxers, Feinsteins, Browns, Newsoms and the rest of that San Francisco Bay crowd,

    1. Brandon says:

      We in Sacramento would be too!

    2. Hercules says:

      How long would it take for Southern California, governed by Conservatives, with lower taxes, better schools, etc. to start attracting businesses back from Texas? Certainly they would all jump ship from the No Cal loonies!

    3. Mikey says:

      Good luck with that one Hercules.

      There is a reason why Texas is responsible for over half of all job creation in the past few years.

    4. VIVA LA RAZA! says:

    5. reverendjustito says:

      Speak for yourself. It was my Northern California school that taught me how to spell the word “would.” They also taught me that you end a sentence with a period, not a comma.

    6. Barack Mugabe says:

      Yeah, but then all the leftwing parasites would move in, latch on, dmand their “fair share,” and once again destroy everything that good, decent patriots have built.

    7. jungkcrn says:

      I agree!

    8. damocles says:

      If you don’t like them up in Sacramento, suggest you folks in the San Joaquiin and Sacramento Valley spllit out, too. Let SF keep their weirdness.

    9. somedude68 says:

      What are you trying to say about the joos?

    10. vicky bennett says:

      Yes you would be much better off. I hope it works for you.

    11. Tami says:

      I live in Northern Cali & was hoping you would take San Fran for the exact same reasons. How do the same people stay in when NOBODY I know can stand to look at them.

    12. Sam Houston says:

      California; The Silly of State

      California has a long history of innovative freshness. A state of almost unequaled beauty and splendor. In some ways, the gifts of California led to an abandonment of reality and a cultural disease of absurdity. Essentially, California has become a cult environment.

      How did this happen? Obviously, an answer could take quite a while depending on the detail. As with all diseases, there comes a point where the reality of the condition and a path to recovery can not be avoided. The point will be reached when enough of the population of California are in dire enough straits that they will accept leadership and the cure. A first step could be to look at states where society and local governments are functioning effectively without silliness. Obviously, one does not want to copy failed states such as New York and Michigan. And now for a cure; for example, look to Texas, Oklahoma, and shockingly, even Mississippi. Texas (a reality state) has little effect of the economic downturn. California has evolved into the Very Silly Party (as with Monty Python). When conditions eventually create unavoidable reality, there will be changes (and not the Saul Alinsky type).

      We will welcome the return of California to reality.

      1. Anonymoose says:

        What made California what is was, was free money from outside. Gold out of the ground. Produce sold out of state. Military and aerospace. The film industry. Retirees coming to California. Silicon Valley. It was these things, not the natural “gifts”, which made California, and which made affluent Californian think they were “magic” people. As these sources of income have disappeared or declined, the magic dissipates.

        Anglo California is coming to an end. The last event which brought an Anglo population into California was with “hippie” disapora of the 1960s and 70s. That was 40 years ago.

  108. hughster1 says:

    Let them leave – they take more in tax dollars then they pay (yeah, those “liberal” counties you all complain about pay more – as is usually the case). Good luck trying to pay your bills without the money the coastal counties generate. But there’s always meth, I guess.

  109. bbneet says:

    Why not secede from the USSA? Oh yeah, Lincoln will kill you if you try!

  110. SalinCal says:

    I see that some folks here are confused. The article is about splitting California into two states, not seceding from the United States. A democracy cannot succeed without an educated electorate (with reading comprehension ).

    1. Ted Danson says:

      So you’re basically saying Northern California would be hoses, as most of the people there are rude, uneducated Liberal runaways from Brooklyn. Yep, I’ve been to Northern California and the people look like they just came out of some hillbilly horror flick!

  111. M Fernandes says:

    The Republic of Texas has the right to split into five separate states is they so wish. The thought of 10 Texan Senators would be enough to sent any of the demrats into a tizzy.

    1. Barry Peeps says:

      oh my I hadn’t thought of that!

    2. David Kelly says:

      While this is very true, I feel that the vast majority of Texas would prefer total secession from the union once again. Many of us feel that its better to just go our own way than to keep dealing with the idiocy in DC.

    3. Ray says:

      Dems would love it. They got one of their people, Al Gore’s campaign manager in 1988 in Texas, Rick Perry, to impersonate a Republican, and those slackjawed hillbillies elected him governor. Now the GOP is readying to trot out Perry as the second coming of Bush for the 2012 Presidential race. At least Obama comes clean that he’s a globalist puppet, while Perry tries to hide the fact he is. We saw you at Bilderberg, Rick. The rat is out of the bag.

    4. Jim in Houston says:

      Ray Would you like to match degrees with us slack jawed idiots? I suspect you would come up a trifle short.

    5. David Kelly says:

      Found this to help backup your statement 🙂

      While it would not technically constitute secession, it is worth noting that, under the joint resolution of Congress by which the Republic of Texas was admitted to the Union, it had the right to divide itself into as many as five different states. It is not clear whether this provides any power beyond that already provided by the Constitution. What is clear is that the Texas Legislature would have to approve any proposal to divide the state using this prerogative. There were a significant number of Texans who supported dividing the state in its early decades. They were generally called divisionists. However, no state has ever been allowed to secede from the Union.[63][64][65]

    6. Ray says:

      Jim in Houston, the most intelligent people in America live in the district that elects Ron Paul, so I was out of line.

      Your legislature voted 138-0 to make TSA grope-downs a felony. Texans were the smartest people in the country at that point.

      But then your bellies turned yellow. I’d love to see you folks walk out of Austin with Al Gore’s campaign manager Rick Perry’s head on a stick for derailing that bill. If I saw you guys do that, I’d want to become a Texan.

      “Slackjawed hillbillies” was a low blow. It’s kind of like you only hurt the ones you love. The Spirit of Independence that was once Texas is something I admire. I just question how strong it is anymore. I think the Bushes are globalist traitors, as is Perry, and I blame Texans for enabling them.

    7. Animal Lover says:

      And – Perry’s on the take from H$U$ and their creeps!!!!!

  112. Keith says:

    It shouldn’t be North and South – but, East and West California. The new “West” California would be from the coastline to appx 25 miles inland. Water is the factor – and the EAST has it all…

  113. I’ve always thought California and New York should both split….Northern California and Southern California are different worlds.

    Same holds true for Upstate New York and Downstate New York.

    I’d love to see this happen

    1. Heartlander says:

      Just expel the coastal counties. And if you want to have central and northern, that is fine, you have way too many electoral votes as it is.

  114. Tony says:

    One of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Tulare County, Kings County, etc. are not in Southern California, so Southern California is not seceding. Secondly, Southern California is not seceding if LA is not seceding, because everything else is just talk. Third, Tulare and Kings Counties will secede to handle immigtation issues on their own, but without LA County? Yeah, right. Lastly, so county supervisor from the meth capital of the state is just looking for attention.

  115. Dave says:

    What’s unconst about it?

  116. CA says:

    I’ve been thinking about this for a while. I don’t mind paying taxes and helping people who are down, BUT I refuse to pay for illegals who take our services and don’t contribute and spit on America. I don’t care if you are pink, purple or green .. ASSIMILATE and be proud to be in the USA and help the USA to be strong.

    I would totally move and pay taxes in a county in line with with my moral and political beliefs.

  117. bruce says:

    So, if they secede …”limited property taxes?” REALLY? police and fire services will appear by magic? how will they get water and electricty? they will need a seperate legislature. and governor. “part time no term limits?” please. they will work for free, too I suppose?

    yet another half baked idea.

    1. Ted Danson says:

      Only in your Liberal mind do lower taxes not make sense. Sounds like you’re the type SoCal is trying to get away from. Have fun in the dumpster of NorCal.

    2. robert says:

      really ? there are state legislatures that already work part time and i don’t see them collapsing.

      you know, there are police and firemen that don’t like the featherbedding forced on everyone by some of the unions and that enjoy the respect of fellow citizens.

      there were police, fire, emergency and educational services, water and electricity long before the state started confiscating 30% of GDP to waste on unnecessary failed programs.

  118. JungleCogs says:

    Do it; time to show the Totalitarian Progressive Socialists that we have options. Next, on to New York! Wait until the Lefty-class has to start paying their own way!

    1. SerfCityHereWeCome says:

      I agree with you but give up on NY– there are only about 5 counties left there worth saving out of the 62. Even upstate has trended blue since working people have fled en masse. Even more so on my former home of Wrong Island. I abandoned that wretched sinking ship for TX– I could no longer stand the humiliation of having North Koreans puffing on their cigarettes and eating their trans-fats and laughing at me for how little freedom I had.

    2. Ken JP Stuczynski says:

      If the class war instigated by the Left becomes a reality, it is the poor who must be recognized as the bad guys, not the so-called “rich”, ie. people who actually pay taxes and take responsibility for our families and communities. Instead, we live in a country where we see things through a 19th Century Marxist looking glass and will continue to vilify the wrong people.

    3. Anarchos says:

      You said it!!! Let them deal with their own mismanagement instead of stealing from counties who have manged things better! The Northerners are like having an anchor tied to your leg while your trying to swim, cut the anchor off! SECEDE!!!

    4. Deb says:

      I agree! Everyone needs to have some skin in the game if they want to vote.

      No more free-riders!

  119. John C says:

    “to focus on securing borders, balancing budgets, improving schools and creating a vibrant economy”

    Oh no, you shouldn’t have said that, now the State will never allow succession.

  120. robert says:

    count me in. i presently live in LA county but i can move…

  121. Betsy says:

    There’s no point in secession because states are obsolete. The federal government can make the states do anything it feels like. The 10th Amendment was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court years ago. Until there is a major reset in this country to get back to the Constitution, talks of secession are an idle waste of time, like recalling Gray Davis to replace him with a carbon-tax loving, ineffective governor who thinks the rules apply to everyone else but him.

    1. Bill Diller says:


    2. Steve says:

      The states only appease the feds because they don’t want the federal money to stop. If a state didn’t want the money they would tell the feds to go pound sand.

    3. Lee says:

      The 10th Amendment cannot be declared unconstitutional because it is part of the freakin’ Constitution! It amounts to saying the Constitution is unconstitutional. I do, however, agree that state’s rights have been repeatedly, and yes unconstitutionally, undermined by the federal government. Secession, in my opinion, should be allowed. The United States should be a voluntary compact, forever keeping the federal government in check, however, some would argue that the Civil War put that notion away for good.

    4. Evan says:

      You do know that California had a SURPLUS before Gray Davis was elected right? To be exact, Gov. Wilson left California with a $16 billion budget surplus.

      1. zaire67 says:

        That was one subject raised in the ’98 gubernatorial race. California was projecting budget shortfalls if the anticipated increase in spending was allowed to continue because state revenue was flat. But instead Davis was elected, and with the Democratic majority in the state house, the rest is a never ending nightmare.

    5. Babci Cathy says:

      Miss Betsy…please tell us where the Supreme Court declared the 10th Amendment unconstitutional. Your statement does not further the discussion.

    6. Betsy says:

      Lee, I said “unconstitutional” tongue-in-cheek, to make an oxymoron. “Null and void” would have been a more accurate wording.

      Steve, yes, that’s the way the Feds “got” the states. The states got on their knees like a rummy for a Federal handout, and agreed to all the terms and conditions.

      However, as we’re seeing with lawsuits brought by the states against the Federal government, like in the case of Obama’s version of RomneyCare, the Federal courts thumb their noses at the states and rule they must submit. There is no limit to what Federal laws the Federal courts will rule the states must submit to. It’s even getting worse because the Feds are beginning to submit to UN rules, in a cooked up scheme to force global laws like Agenda 21 and Codex Alimentarius on the States.

      Recently, the Texas legislature passed, by a vote of 138-0, a law that makes TSA grope-downs a felony, like they are if a cop does the same thing. The Feds quickly threatened select minions in key positions, like the Lt. Governor Dewhurst (friend of Nazi madman Klaus Barbie), house speaker Strauss, and ex-Al Gore campaign manager Gov. Rick Perry, to can the bill.

      Really, this all goes back to the 17th Amendment. The state legislatures are supposed to select its Senators to represent the will of the States. When the globalists conned the people to ratify the 17th Amendment, that reduced Senators to nothing more than glorified errand boys for whatever multinational banks or corporations contribute the most money to their campaigns.

      We need to repeal the 17th Amendment.

    7. Betsy says:

      Babci Cathy, here’s an example. Say a state tries to pass a law, like legalizing medical marijuana, like California tried to do. The Feds respond by saying, “You can’t do that. Our law trumps yours.”. And they do that every time on every issue. Abortion is another example. They twist the “general welfare” clause and “interstate commerce” clause to remove all sovereignty from the states. Under Bush, the Feds took away control of the National Guard in each state from the governors. Now, a governor cannot order his National Guard unit to stand up to the Feds.

      If the states have no sovereignty, which means the ability to say “no” to the Feds, there’s no point in having states.

      1. MarkRB says:

        That’s one reason many states, like CA, have a state militia. It is different than the National Guard. The state militia answers only to the state government.

      2. Ken JP Stuczynski says:

        From what I understand, ALL state militia now fall under the federal Defense Department … and by now I mean the last hundred years plus.

    8. CONNECTICUT SSN 042-68-4425 says:

      Why Does The Above SSN Belong To Barry?

    9. Matt says:

      In United States v. Sprague (1931) the Supreme Court asserted that the amendment “added nothing to the [Constitution] as originally ratified.”

      So yes, the Supreme Court has, in a sense, declared the 10th Amendment unconstitutional, or at least has refused to enforce its terms as written.

    10. Willis says:

      There IS a major reset in this country to get back to the Constitution. The whole reason we’re in this mess is because the federal government is now all but dismantling it.

    11. Marcelino Ben says:

      ? the Supreme Court CANNOT declare and amendment to the constitution unconstitutional. that never happened.

    12. Betsy says:

      Willis, it’s not just now that the Constitution is being dismantled. This is a process which has been going on for decades. Not just since the “decadence” of 1960’s, as some like to claim. No, this goes way back. The worst things that were done were at the very beginning of the 20th century. That’s when our federal government was hijacked. The 16th and 17th Amendments were the nails in the coffin. By 1931, as Matt pointed out, our Constitution was already being rewritten.

      It’s like a disease. You don’t start to have symptoms until 90% of an organ has been destroyed. Then, all of a sudden, you wake up in a cold sweat asking, hey, what happened to my liver? But all along, the disease was there, growing in stealth.

      The good thing is more people than ever are waking up, thanks to the uncensored internet. We can beat this disease, but we have to break our chains, and be willing to pay a heavy price. Like our Founders did. Except it won’t be as easy this time.

    13. Larry says:

      Get your facts correct. The 10th Amendment is still in effect and has never been deemed unconstitutional by the supreme court. What planet do you live on Betsy? Learn your facts and make sure they are correct before showing your ignorance. You are dead wrong. Maybe you need to go back to school and study the American way of life and the constitution because you obviously do not know what the 10th Amendment nor any other are about. 10th Amendment is and never will be deemed invalid and never has been. Also succession is a real thing and can be done by any county,or state with only a 2/3 vote approval so again learn your facts moron.

  122. JJ says:

    The original State of North Carolina in 1776 extended all the way to the Mississippi. The part to the west of the Blue Ridge became ungovernable so NC did cede that part back to the US as a territory which became the state of Tennessee, 20 years after the US became a nation.

    So that mechanism would probably work for South California. And yes, I am one of those ungovernable misfits from that place now known as Tennessee. And proud of it.

    Good luck and godspeed, South Cal !

    1. New York must be set free from the U.S. says:

      JJ, the far western part of North Carolina (present day Tennessee) wasn’t governable because the State of NC didn’t have the population to establish city governments out West, not that the people were out of control.

      1. JJ says:

        You should meet some of my relatives from west Tennessee. Out of control? Oh yeah.

  123. Brad Skidmore says:

    Let’s Secede from government… Embrace a government free world.

    Instead of One World Government let’s shoot for NO World Government.

    No Government at all.

    We have the technology to educate and take care of ourselves. We don’t need tyrannical rule by threat of violent force. We don’t need democracy which is 10 wolves and 2 sheep deciding what’s for dinner.

    We need Liberty…

    Freedom for the individual to believe in and do whatever they want, without impeding the liberty of others, is liberty.

    Regardless of the ideals a majority believes in, they do not have the right to force them on others.

    Liberty is the right to do it wrong. Liberty is the freedom to make mistakes.

    The breath of Liberty inhales tolerance and exhales forgiveness.

  124. Cranios says:

    What does the US Constitution say about a state’s territory breaking away from that state and forming a new one? Except for WV, I can’t remember any territory doing that.
    I wish the article had addressed that.

  125. Henry Thoreau says:

    This is the first idea I’ve heard from California that makes any sense. Separate the communists from the Americans. Thank you. I look forward to your new State.

  126. Stop wasting tax payers money says:

    Tell me how I can help make this happen

  127. Tony says:

    All the Mexican neighborhhods? You may not realize the DMA is 42% Hispanic….you’d be giving away most of at least 4 counties.

    1. Marbella says:

      Let them go! Remember, Northern CA is where all the water comes from for Southern CA. If they succeed it’ll end up looking like Juarez and El Paso. Nice.

      1. Barack Mugabe says:

        If So Cal secedes, it will be the remnants of northern California that will end up looking like Mexico.

      2. The Truth says:

        AZTLAN is a joke. What the F#%K has Mexico ever done but be a corrupt 3rd world country. Good thing these parts were sold to the US or else it would be like the rest of Mexico which is corrupt and crime ridden. Is that how you wanna live? I don’t think so or else all these illegals would not be running like roaches away from Mexico to get here. So AZTLAN is nothing to be proud of!

      3. Hyperion says:

        If it isn’t, all you will need to take it down is 100 Spaniards on horseback.

      4. David from San Diego says:

        Aztlan is winning because traitors like Napolitano let them.

      5. Duude says:

        Desalination isn’t really that costly once the ridiculous expenses Northern Californian politicians add to everyday life are removed. BTW, the word is ‘secede’, though seceding would bring success for southern California.

      6. Hyperion says:

        It can be done, and will be done. The only thing holding it back, like with all progress is our luddite politicians, who ironically refer to themselves as progrssives, lol.

    2. Joel Fry says:

      I don’t believe LA county was invited.. LA county gets water from Northern California.. Counties that would be affected by the north’s water has the burden of growing food. Trade ya!

  128. jono says:

    Hell Sell it to Mexico for 14.4 Trillion Dollars and Solve the National Debt

    1. Terry Furlough says:

      I’ve been wondering how much we could get for Hawaii.. for just tgat reason.. also cut lose all the “Territories”// make it as a country on your own or become part of a bigger group.. it should no longer be our affair to pay for the upkeep of land that most of us will never see, and have even less attachment to.-

  129. Tom Jones says:


    I wonder how many people won’t get the joke & try to correct you…

  130. aflemin3 says:

    As policy, this may or may not have merit. I take not position because, as I think the rest of my comment illustrates, the point is probably moot.

    As a practical Constitutional matter, I think secession would be an impossible task to accomplish. Art IV Section 3 Clause 1 of the Federal Constitution says ” . . . no new state shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State . . . without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.”

    1. John says:

      But we have the example of West Virginia, which seceded from Virginia during the Civil War.

    2. jerry says:

      Ever hear of the State of Jefferson? Attempted in 1941 stopped because of WWII. Northern Calif and southern Oregon. ie north of Redding ca.

  131. idaho says:

    Please keep all your Californian ideas out of Idaho

    1. Ray says:

      Didn’t Idaho just sign some deal to let the Red Chinese build some kind of Maoist dream colony there? Red China threw a couple of bucks on the ground, and the corrupt Idaho politicians got on their knees to pick it up, and while they were down there, they agreed to give the Red Chinese free reign in this colony they’re building in Idaho.

    2. Tev says:

      That is ok, nobody wants to go to Idaho anyway. You can keep your Neo-Nazis and your ass backwards ideas on drug policies to yourself. Just do us a favor, Stay out of Washington, California, Oregon, and Colorado, we don’t want you here

    3. Pocho Basura says:

      why is there never a ms afrikan america candidate from Idaho?

    4. Eric Stream says:

      those Ideas are not Californian they are New York, Illinois, Mass, ideas which are destroying my former state

    5. JTA says:

      Don’t worry, no one with ideas like Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Genentech, all ideas from liberal Californians, wants to live in Idaho anyway, just visit to ski and backpack.

    6. moreco2 says:

      Not exactly Tev. We in Colorado don’t want you or your kind.

    7. norcal says:

      “I grew up in Northern Idaho, where IQs are generally room temperature and it’s socially acceptable to drink whiskey mixed with cough syrup for breakfast.”

    8. cali_bigdawg says:

      Idaho lives off our Cali federal tax money. What a bunch of slackers!

    9. BettyLiberty says:

      U da Ho!

    10. jjj says:

      Hey Tev, you are soooooo right…In Idaho, we have a saying: “Underneath all th
      at hair, we are all skinheads.” Please keep your zionist-self in Khalifornia.

  132. David Kelly says:

    Actually Texas would be happy to seceed, that is if Gov. Perry had the stones to do so.

    1. oppressed says:

      If Texas secedes, I’m moving there!

      1. Frank Williams says:

        Yup, me too, and that’s not just rhetoric. Half the country would want in – the productive half.

  133. Happy Cartographer says:

    So let me get this straight… SoCal, named for being southern portion of California, will now just be know as South California leaving any references to SoCal to refer to what is currently middle California. Northern South California will now be known as NoSoCal and the souther region SoSoCal. All this leaves is renaming “Baja California” to either “Baja Baja California” or “Baja California de sur”. If you are confused, don’t worry…I’m sure some how it’s Bush’s fault. 🙂

    1. robert says:

      funny. can i have one of your charts 😉

  134. robert says:

    sounds like there are more people who are tired of the liberals robbing peter to pay raoul 😉

  135. Rene Guerra says:

    I will start packing on my way to San Diego.

    The state of South California, particularly San Diego County –once the border with Mexico is completely secured– will attract most of the businesses producing high-tech goods and services from here in Silicon Valley, particularly small and medium size ones.

    Of course, hardcore-Left cesspools, such as Google, Yahoo, Apple and the like will remain in the socialist state of North California (which could then officially renamed Marxifornia). And so will also those ones that benefit from the fascist (i.e., corporatism or crony-capitalism) that the Left –now exacerbated to a piranha-frenzy by the fact of Marxist-Leninist Obama being burrowed in the White House– uses as a steeping stone toward full-fledged socialism.

    By the way, for those who have been fooled into believing that fascism belongs in the Right, do an internet search for F.A. Hayek’s “Nazi Socialism”, download it and read it, to realize that fascism –Hitler’s version of it being Nazism– in reality belongs in the hardcore Left. Fascism is just a form of socialism; that’s why Hitler called his party with the official name of National-Socialist German Workers’ Party…the term “Nazi” being only an abbreviation from “NationalsoZIalist”, which is “National Socialist”, in English.

    Now, once South California is created, the Left will attempt to gradually infiltrate it, to make it a copy of North California; hence non-leftism, and particularly grassroots-conservatism will have to be nurtured and strengthened to the maximum, so as to keep the Left away.

    Let North California go further down the drain….to becoming a large Detroit.

    Long live South California, the true Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.

  136. Susan says:

    I only hope Illinois is next. That’s where I’m from, and we all below Chicago wish it would be it’s own state since they take all the state money and everything else!

  137. jesse says:

    Actually, us in the central valley would prefer not to include LA or any of the coast. We’re tired of big city liberalism ruining our crops, destroying our families, forcing a droubt on us by keeping our water from us and taxing us to death.

  138. Skip says:

    Don’t laugh, Moonbeam. This has merit.

  139. Ben Dover says:

    Nuevo Mejico.

  140. RealPatriotArmy says:

    god I hate mexicans. I mean, the food is good, but why do they have to be so mexican when they make it?

    1. Bill Fisher says:

      You’re an idiot. You’re not a conservative. You’re simply trying to make conservatives look bad by posting these ridiculous racist comments. Go away, you’re irritating and what you say is harmful. You jerk.

    2. Otter says:

      Love the Right, hate the toothless, uneducated rednecks that cling to the fringe.

    3. Commiefornia says:

      Why do you have to be so white when you eat it?

  141. Lineman73 says:

    Article IV section 3 of the United States Constituion, read that and see what you think.

    Makes you question the legitamcy of West Virginia

    1. Joe says:

      I’m not familiar with West Virginia’s history, but as long as the state legislature and Congress signs off on it, it’s legal. We in the actual NorCal have had this problem for years. We’ve wanted to form the State of Jefferson as far back as the 40’s. But with commie state legislature who has the population dominance in the South, there’s nothing we can actually do.

  142. napadave says:

    I’m all for it, by the way the legislature in Sacramento has way more representatives from the south than north based on population, they receive the lions share of benefits, and social services, and I would also say that the water you get would be cut off as well. please leave, I would break it off at the grapevine on I-5 personally. The new movie battle L.A. didn’t need aliens for the plot, just stop paying the 17 bill a year in welfare to ghettos and illegal invaders and that would burn that Smoggy $hit hole down

  143. Sal says:

    It’s 1861 all over again.

  144. USinpieces says:

    Yes– let them go! And right before they go, relocate all the illegal immigrants living in the rest of the country to LA.

    Please, please– let’s make this happen– a mutually beneficial divorce splitting LA, and all the idiocy it represents, from the rest of the states.

    I’ve not heard such good news in ages.

  145. TexasGuy says:

    Getting to the point something has to change…consider this little tidbit:

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over lousy fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average of the world’s great civilizations before they decline has been 200 years. These nations have progressed in this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; from faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to Complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage.”
    — Alexander Fraser Tyler, Cycle of Democracy, 1770

  146. tim says:

    You can have SoCal as long as you take gv Brown with you. Then we will charge the hello out of the water we send down to you

  147. Col. Knife says:

    Give the north to the Commie Jerry Brown kick all the Democrates out of the south and hand them a TB infected Mexican to take north with them. That Cocaine snorting Brown (true fact look it up) has stolen my family’s money and jobs and my job now. Only way to get rid of the north is a Civil War…….So stock up!

  148. Mike says:

    Where are we gonna get the water?

    1. inteldept says:

      We’ll sell it to you… Very special price for good neighbor.

  149. jane america says:

    so lets see. i live in northern california, pay $2.00 per gallon in gasoline tax, have to endure no road improvements while so-cal has all of these expensive freeways and get all the rain that creates a lot of water to pay high water bills while so-cal gets all the sunshine and the water and you poor people think you have it bad!!! take your selfish liberal hollywood views and shove it you brats!!!

    1. JF says:

      Jane, SoCal freeways are in horrible shape as well as the roads. We don’t know where the moneys goes (LA illegals, welfare moochers). Good idea to separate from Sacramento, but we must not let LA in as part of a new state. We in the rest of southern California pay our taxes which LA sucks up.

  150. USinpieces says:

    My bad– I thought Southern California would simply be leaving the country and either going back to Mexico or forming another Latin American banana republic.

    Why isn’t anyone proposing that — when you southern Californians do decide to form your own state or join Mexico, please know that you have my support.

  151. David Kelly says:

    you know Hitler tried something like that… look what happened to him.

  152. Common Sense says:

    Been almost 200 years since David Crockett and Sam Houston from TN gave those Mexicans a kicking in Texas. Go for it S. CA, and if you need a 5th generation TN volunteer to kick some illegal butts. We are ready. East TN and West TN have been split for years….that’s why we sent Al Carbon Gore to the outhouse along with his Dad many years before. Good Luck, I will vacation in your new state.

  153. Brandon says:

    There has to be 57 states.. our President says so!

  154. Anakin Skywalker says:

    California, Texas, Florida, and New York should all be given the opportunity to break up into smaller states. This makes sense for the residents of those states both in terms of US Senate representation, and in terms of the Electoral College.

    I would say California should be broken up into 3 states, and the other 3 should be broken up into 2 each. Add Puerto Rico – and that gives us 56 stars on our flag – 7 rows of 8 stars.

    This way we only need 1 more state for Obama to be right – maybe we can add Kenya from Africa – and backdate that one to 1961 so that Obama can be a legitimate American Citizen this time!

  155. So-cal native says:

    I’m a San Diego Native and I absolutely support this idea. Let the socialist nutjobs in northern california ruin their own cities.

    1. Ray says:

      I wonder how “conservative” San Diego would be if they hadn’t received all that corporate welfare over the years for the military-industrial-complex and outright spending from the federal government for those military bases. G.I. Joe will be the first one on his knees once Uncle Sam closes his hand.

  156. Chicken Sock Puppet says:

    Don’t feed the trolls…

    Especially the liberal trolls masquerading as “conservatives”. You can tell by their stereotyping of what the incorrectly think conservatives believe…

  157. savagetx says:

    Succeeding ground will only buy you time. Courage, planning and a supply of guts can win the day. Arrest, deportation and locking up business owners who hire is center to success.

  158. Tom says:

    California is too big to govern effectively. I’m all for a split, but it should be more than just two states.

    1. mary says:

      Texas is much larger than California….and we do just fine. You have all the liberal nutjobs there and the state is now paying for it, unfortunately. There is little hope left for California and it is just too late to switch gears. The damage is undoable.

  159. Jeff S says:

    Put all liberals into one tiny state like Rhode Island and set them adrift into the Atlantic Ocean.

  160. Ben says:

    I’d like this for Northern California. As long as we remove ourselves from San Francisco.

    I think it’s a good move for those counties, and I believe their conservative ties would be great for overall senate seats.

    But, I think it’s politics as usual.

  161. Patricia says:

    Good! And Southern California can begin to PAY for all of the water it has stolen and diverted from Northern California begining with the Owen’s Valley!

    1. Voice Of Reason says:

      idiot…too bad you can’t fix stupid

    2. Brian says:

      Patricia, you’d still have LA county.

  162. Frank says:

    We are in terrible shape financially & economically,our elected leaders are not listening to the needs of their constituents.We cannot afford “business as usual” and continue with the out of control spending with programs that we can no longer afford,therefore a creation of a new Southern California state is the logical alternative.

  163. Mike Alright says:

    The US is a feminized JOKE today. All state should Secede NOW….

  164. drew says:

    Don’t be FOOLED by the above post by Real Patriot–sounds like a “progressive” lefty libs view of what they THINK conservatives and COMMON SENSE tea party patriots believe

    hey “real patriot” I mean GEORGE SOROS PAID PUPPET..take the 2 dollars you made from that post and buy yourself a sammich—the MESS you “progressives” have to be cleaned up by ADULTS now

  165. Jim says:

    You’re an idiot troll. . .

  166. DaveTheCanuckiRepub says:

    West Virginia’s secession was probably unconstitutional. Cole is incorrect, in light of Texas v White (1869).

    I happen to think that, given that the country was founded on a claim of right to revolution, a fortiori an empirical social contract like the US Constitution and its 10th Amendment give rise to a right of secession, morally and legally.

    For a good scholarly piece on the matter, see:

    1. KD says:

      Virginia decided to secede from the Union, as part of the Confederate States. This was largely decided by politicians in Richmond, VA, without the consent of the majority of the population. When a meeting was finally held, representatives of the western portion of the State overwhelmingly voted against the secession from the Union. The ultimate break was a matter of representation – or lack thereof from coastal Virginia politicians. When the smoke cleared, sufficient western Virginia population and political support was again overwhelmingly in support of NOT participating in Virginia’s secession activities, thereby leading to a petition to the Union to be granted separate statehood. Lincoln approved, with the caveat that the new state abolish slavery.

      The legality question is best answered by the official history below:


      The question of the constitutionality of the formation of the new state was eventually brought before the Supreme Court of the United States, in the case of Virginia v. West Virginia, 78 U.S. 39 (1871).[17] Berkeley and Jefferson counties lying on the Potomac east of the mountains, in 1863, with the consent of the Reorganized government of Virginia voted in favor of annexation to West Virginia. Many voters absent in the Confederate army when the vote was taken refused to acknowledge the transfer upon their return. The Virginia General Assembly repealed the act of cession and in 1866 brought suit against West Virginia asking the court to declare the counties a part of Virginia which would have in essence made West Virginia’s admission as a state unconstitutional. Meanwhile Congress on March 10, 1866 passed a joint resolution recognizing the transfer. The Supreme Court decided in favor of West Virginia, and there has been no further question.

    2. Dthomps864 says:

      You have to remember that the founders invisioned every state as being essentially their own separate country. They can do what they want and the feds constitutionally can’t say anything.

  167. AM says:

    Let them secede, every group of people should have that right. Just make the border in Kern county. They shouldn’t have the valley and our water, produce, etc. and it’s getting old having them push the rest of the state around.

  168. Bill Fisher says:

    You are so obviously a “liberal/progressive” masquerading as a conservative, it’s laughable. Even your blog name is disingenuous. I know many conservatives, am one myself, and none of us have this disgusting racist attitude that colors your idiotic comment. We celebrate LEGAL immigration from all parts of the world, of all races and creeds. Grow up, you twit.

    1. Jim says:

      I think real patriots post was removed. Just a troll. . .

      Unfortunately, secession will be dismissed as a “whacky” impractical idea. As a business owner, it makes a whole lot of sense for me. Businesses are being run out of the state due to over taxation and over regulation. We need some sanity and common sense in our state government. We are not getting hat in Sacramento.

      Additionally, there is the sentimentality factor. Change is very uncomfortable for most people

      1. Waldo says:

        Getting rid of the illegals would fix our problems. The wetters gotta go and so do their litters which I refuse to call mexican/american but rather anchor babies.

  169. Jimbo Limbo says:

    That’s amazing, because Southern CA has not threatened to secede “every couple of months.” I may be wrong, perhaps you could provide some evidence that would lean in that direction? Incidentally, a little while back there was some news article murmuring about TX splitting into 5 states, which is a bit different than SOCAL seceding from CA. Part of the difference (and the whole reason people bring this up, periodically) is that when TX entered the Union, it was stipulated that TX reserved the right to split into 5 states (one retaining the name Texas, and four additional ones). CA has no such arrangement. Is that the “this again” that you were referring to? If so, that’s a stretch. This SoCal secession is all new to me.

    1. CONNECTICUT SSN 042-68-4425 says:

      “We Are The Forgers We’ve Been Waiting For” –

    2. Keith says:

      Northern Mexico has a secessionist movement too, maybe they’re as tired of Socialists as SoCal.
      Texas, the Carolinas, Hawaii and New Hampshire among others feel the same way!

    3. Jeff Holt says:

      The ‘right to split’ your refer to JL, was given up when Texas joined the union. It no longer has that right.

    4. nch says:

      Great Idea. Then the “new” state/country can pay all that welfare and leave the rest of the US out of those Federal payments for the “new” state/country..

    5. The Mike Field says:

      But some would say, Texas lost that right when it seceded, then later applied for readmission. But it’s a thought. Keep in mind, if you are taking this idea seriously (and I do), that no plan which does not maintain the balance of the Senate can succeed politically.

    6. Enrico says:

      Jeff Holt – you are wrong Jimbo is right. The Republic of Texas was an independant nation and the treaty (since only Texas was already a nation) gives Texas the right to become 5 states if it so chooses. It has not done so at this time.

    7. Andrew says:

      Texas *originally* had the right to split itself into five states. When it *re-joined* the Union after the Civil War it arguably lost that right.

      Also, no one is talking about seceding from the United States here. California would simply be split in two. Both states would be part of the Union.

    8. James says:

      I live in Texas. Never heard of Texas splitting up, exept in the History books and it was Yankees wanting that.

    9. McDuck says:

      As a CA resident…in the middle. Go for it. Then they can supply their own water, welfare, education…on and on and on…Southern CA and Northern are completely different and do not work well together

    10. whitneymuse says:

      This time it’s good to follow through with the momentum of the moment.

    11. Karen says:

      This is great! Maybe the far north will also be able to seceed. We have wanted this for many, many years. Do you think Sacramento only hears the central part of the state? Or, quite possibly, they only listen to San Francisco, Sacramento and Los Angeles.

  170. David Howard says:

    Good idea! And I’m for forming a new state out of part of northern California, too. Let the leftist destroyers stew in their own pot. Freedom now. Learn to walk like an Egyptian.

  171. Arminius says:

    Ho Ho Ho you Californians. When you go whether in division or as Azttlan it’s without the water. I’ve been waiting for the La Raza to make it’s move so we can cut off the Western Water and watch the fun.

    1. Musicman says:

      And you can kiss mine. Aztlan, or “Republica Del Norte” is a Mexican pipe dream. It will never happen…

  172. Hoosier Daddy says:

    Actually 58. If you recall during the campaign, Obama said he has visited 57 states with one to go.

  173. KC says:

    Don’t throw Utah into that mess. We have a balanced budget. Yes we have unemployment and some other issues, but at least we are not in trouble like California.

    It is amazing to me to see the states with the biggest problem are the liberal states.

    Secession has its merits, just to get rid of the idiots who cannot handle money or take care of themselves.

    1. HMichaelH says:

      Why is it amazing to you that liberal states have the biggest problems. Margaret Thatcher said it well when she said the problem with Socialism (which is what the majority of liberals are) is, you soon run out of other peoples’ money. And California is running out of other peoples’ money. New York, Maryland and other liberal states in the east are not far behind. New Jersey is on the brink, but just might be saved by the honest efforts of Chris Christie. Oh, that he would run for President!

  174. MarkG says:

    This is a GREAT idea. We need to do the same thing in Illinois. Make the State of Chicago and then the State of Illinois. Let those fools up north support themselves for a change and they can take their corruption with them!

  175. Ray says:

    There won’t be any prosperity until you repeal all the NAFTA and GATT agreements the Bushes and their surrogates put in place to deliberately destroy American businesses.

    1. Mikey says:

      Nice try Ray.

      “…NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn’t believe that, I wouldn’t support this agreement.” Bill Clinton when he signed NAFTA into law.

      But you keep up your liberal rhetoric and outright lies if it makes you feel better.

    2. Evan says:

      NAFTA is an agreement signed by the governments of Canada, Mexico, and the United States, creating a trilateral trade bloc in North America. The agreement came into force on January 1, 1994

      Wasn’t Clinton in office at that time? Nice try guy. Try checking your facts

    3. Ray says:

      Barbara Bush called Bill Clinton “like a son to me”.

      Bush the Elder met with Clinton 19 times before they ran against each other.

      They’re on the same team.

      The Republicans can repeal NAFTA and GATT anytime they want. But they don’t, and they won’t, and they won’t even try. Their candidates never say they will repeal those agreements, except Ron Paul.

    4. Eric Stream says:

      That is a load of C##p. American Business is being destroyed by high corporate tax rates, High taxes, Excessive regulations and more concern for a 2 inch long gopher than for human Being’s. Business would explode in this country if every state had right to work laws and a federal government that only concerns itself with its duties according to Article 1 Section 8 as found in the Constitution.

    5. Ray says:

      Eric Stream. GE doesn’t pay any corporate taxes, and Google pays hardly any. Seems some corporations game the system better than others.

      If we taxed big corporations into extinction, would we be worse off if every business was a proprietorship, a small business, a mom-and-pop operation? Does America need corporations like Wal-Mart and McDonald’s to dominate its economy? Are we better off now than before Wal-Mart existed?

  176. anon says:

    See, it’s easy to spot the liberals pretending to be conservatives.

  177. ezra pound says:

    The San Diego metro area has a population which, even by a conservative calculation, is greater than that of 20 STATES. Secede.

  178. ezra pound says:

    CA south of LA is a decidedly red state– the population of the San Diego area alone is greater than many states– yet these regions can hope for no real representation of their interests due to LA and San Fran— the state needs to be broken up.

  179. davec says:

    Consider this critical observation/fact.

    every State admitted to the Union was required to generate and have ratified their State CONSTITUTION which had to follow the US C.

    They have ALL abandoned their Constitutions if by nothing else than un-Constitutional GUN LAWS. The Cs are perfectly clear – SHALL NOT INFRINGE is not a request, its a COMMAND.

    Declare the State C violated, State admission revoked and leave it.

  180. Mike says:

    You’re an absolute moron. So naive it’s pathetic.

  181. Coin Man says:

    Isn’t Jeff Stone the assclown that’s on Scientology’s payroll?

  182. Frank says:

    Again,the Pacific Ocean is the largest lake on planet earth and as technology advances and makes desalination a real cost-efficient & viable alternative the water supply issue becomes mute.Saudi Arabia operates desalination plants for quite sometime now with good results,and the added bonus would be the creation of thousands of jobs which we badly need.

  183. Jim in Houston says:

    I knew there had to be some people in La La Land that had an IQ higher than 10. Why not let the goofy lefties break off and join Mexico while the thinking folks stay with the USA.

  184. Zack F says:

    People should only join together in a political entity voluntarily. I support the people’s right to create a new state that represents their interests better than the current state government.

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  185. Bootjack says:

    Obama thinks we already are 57 states

  186. Jimbo Limbo says:

    If it’s beyond one’s own living memory, many (ignorant) people believe that what has happened before cannot happen again. The funny part is that just the opposite is true. Some version of what has happened before is most likely to happen again, and again. In the 80s, most people would NEVER have bought the idea that any part of what was then the USSR would secede, or that the EU would form. Anyone who believes that secession is a dead issue has not studied history- or doesn’t understand it very well.

    1. colonelkurtz says:

      Yes, Friedrich Nietzsche called this the theory of eternal recurrence. Cool b/c that means slavery and the holocaust will happen again!

    2. vicky bennett says:

      Maybe this is just what we need to wake California up! What a mess it has become. I cannot believe you guys voted for BROWN!

    3. Ray says:

      colonelkurtz, slavery is happening. Try to not pay your IRS or property taxes. Try to opt out of the system. You are a slave to the Federales. The holocaust is happening. Our water is deliberately fluoridated just like the concentration camps. Homeland Security is the new Gestapo. FEMA are goons who drag you out of your home in the dead of night to a FEMA camp. Cameras on every street corner. Predator drones in US cities now. Forced innoculations. What do you think bioweapons are for? They are DNA-specific, race-based, genocidal weapons. The holocaust isn’t coming. It’s here.

  187. bruce says:

    Best comment of the postings…. keep it up!!!

  188. popeserg says:

    Don’t let the door hit you in ass on the way out.

    1. Terry Furlough says:

      Dont let the gang-bangers shoot you in the face in your utopia..

  189. RHO says:

    This is the biggest nightmare for the liberals. A successful split and a resulting booming economy would show decisively that liberalism has failed. That is why they will fight it tooth and nail, because they are afraid it will be a success.

    1. Barack Mugabe says:

      They will never admit their philosophy is a failure. They’ll create some new demon to blame all their failures on, while insisting if only “the rich” would pay their “fair share,” all would be well.

  190. 1200fps says:

    why is this news? the northern end of CA has been talking succession for years.

  191. Jim in Houston says:

    Does that mean Obumbler will be right after all?

  192. MarkG says:

    I think the US should split up into conservative Nation and Liberal Nation. Let the libs implement ANY liberal policies they want. Tehy just have to commit to NOT enter the Conservative nation. See, which one prospers, which one is able to take care of their own, which one has better health system, has better jobless rates, has better GDP and the lowest tax rates!

  193. Bo says:

    AZTLAN is here! Mexico has finally got SO. CAL. Call teh lower part: “Mexilan” and the northern half”NEXT IN LINE”!

    1. NOBo says:

      haha if you can actually read, you would know this isnt the AZTLAN. This is going the other way.

      This is about ending liberal policies and the nanny state. enforcing our borders and cutting off welfare to illegals.

      i want to immigrants, who respect the rule of law, and obey our process. the middle of the night jumpers will be cut off. as they should be

  194. serafin says:

    Sounds great, but very naive. A state cannot be creat out of another state without the original states consent and then must be admited by the federal government. Maybe Mr. Stone wants to declare independence from the USA instead? In other words, statehood not going to happen so a complete waste of time and energy.


  196. Julie Vassau says:

    Please ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!Love Cali!

  197. CTD says:

    I have a better idea. It would be East California seceding. You can have the Bay Area, greater LA metroplex, and every liberal wacko bastion along the entire coastline. We’ll keep the crops and the water. You won’t have to worry about those conservative party line voters, and you can tax and spend all you want.

  198. Matt says:

    Like they said in that Pink Floyd song: “Time to goooo-ooohhhh!”

  199. Hawk says:

    The organizers of South California can say they will have no term limits, or R&I, or taxes, or whatever they don’t like, but there is no guarantee that the SoCal voters will go along with that. However, it’s a natural idea. California and Texas are both too large and too diverse to be single states and governed effectively. California should be split into two or three states, and Texas into three or four.

  200. idiotmitten says:

    The problem is that then there would be two states of fruits and nuts and TWO MORE SENATORS imposing their will on the rest of us sane people. Be careful what you wish for.

  201. Alice says:

    She has a story to tell. visit her at

  202. CONSERVATIVE says:

    GREAT…leave CA hanging with all the pensions and retirements of all government employees, welfare collectors and suck off the land programs…BRILLIANT AND INTELLIGENT IDEA…UNITED WE STAND…

  203. astralweeks says:

    A brilliant idea. Rename Northern California Liberalonia, and all the liberals can flock there while the rest of the nation can kick back and watch it implode—-kind of like now.

  204. bill says:

    It says at the bottom, “This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.”


    Too much being redistributed in California. That’s the problem.

  205. karen says:

    Cole is a victim of California publik skoolz….

    States HAVE seceeded from other states after 1776 — apart from the wartime oddity of West Virginia. Maine seceded from Massachusetts and became a separate state in 1820.

  206. Hank Warren says:

    War of Northern Aggression, yet another violation of our rights. Add it to the list of gov’t violations of our rights:
    They violate the 1st Amendment by placing protesters in cages, banning books like “America Deceived II” and censoring the internet.
    They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns.
    They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by molesting airline passengers.
    They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars for foreign countries.
    Impeach Obama, vote for Ron Paul.
    (Last link of Banned Book):

  207. Ramon Leigh says:

    Well, this is the first thing I’ve heard from anyone in goofy California that actually makes sense. California is obviously a state divided emotionally, and
    in every other way, therefore it only makes sense to physically divide it as well.
    In case the brainless one, Jerry Brown isn’t aware, West Virginia was split
    from Virginia in 1860 and has been a seperate state ever since. The reason was exactly the same as here – the folks living in West Virginia wanted to stay in the union and owned very few slaves. And the split was carried out without any votes by the population or anything else.

  208. Jim Thomas Wilson III says:

    Southern California has always been separate in culture, identity and ideals from Northern California. I look forward to finally seeing my home town and region free itself from the Tyranny of L.A and Sacramento!

  209. Jerry Duncann says:

    Go ahead but keep Fresno County the heck out of it. We have NOTHING in common with the Southern part of the State.

  210. Keith says:

    The Tenth Amendment was gutted by Congress in 1860, one of the mjor causes of southern secession and the resulting invasion by the Northrons!

  211. Mike Church says:

    The right of a people to self-govern should be respected above all. The state of California has shown itself to be wholly fiscally irresponsible, instead becoming the definition of Nanny State.

    1. Jack Kinch(1uncle) says:

      I wonder if they wouod end up with a Mexican governor and congress ? Socialists.

    2. Andrew S. says:

      Would love if Central and Northern Cali got the same idea. Cutting out those liberal big cities would have a grand effect on this state.

    3. Spirit of '76 says:

      Yeah but the Dot-Gov is now more Mafioso/Cosa Nostra than a Republic of co-sovereign and independent States.

      In other words, the US of A — a creature of the American people — is now like the old USSR: there is no way out except death.

    4. b boss says:

      Maybe Northern Mexico & Southern Calif. are planning to get together. that would explain why Stanford University invited the President of Mexico to be the speaker at their graduation ceremonies this year. (See USA Today, today).

  212. Albert Barlow says:

    Na, it’s that mostly only parasites vote. police, fire-fighters, union goons and politicians are who I mean. they vote for who gives them the most loot.

    1. GQQSER says:

      Albert, You are so right on the money. If only about 200 million other Americans understood what you just said. I live in Texas and it pains me to see States like California.

  213. Babci Cathy says:

    If you think this is a good idea…say so! Stop specualting on constitutionality and precedent that you know nothing about. Movements happen because people MOVE…they don’t jaw something to death. Call your state legislator and ASK them if it is possible. If they get enough calls they might start talking about it without disparaging the guy who came up with it.

    I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA! If nothing else, they’ll get the message in Sacromento that a lot of us don’t think they are headed in the right direction.

  214. FedUp! says:

    With all the filthy illegals in that state, the new one should be called north mexico!! you gonna tell me the new state would have NO unions??!! hardly! unless they have all charter schools which is the way education needs to go anyway. mandatory English to live there. sounds good to me! maybe it’ll save them from falling into the Pacific when the big one hits!!

  215. bitmap79 says:

    Oh, to think Obama may be proved right after all – 57 states, or was that 58????

  216. str8talk says:

    We here in Northern California need you will take all the coastal counties from Marin south with you. Otherwise it is no deal.

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  218. JR says:

    Supposedly the Constitution guarantees executive enforcement of all congressionally created, judicially approved national laws, but obviously it doesn’t. Indeed, it has been easy for a presidential sequence of very stupid men to render the congressional and judicial branches of the USA’s government to complete irrelevance on the issue of illegal immigration, by the simple expedient of purchasing politically ignorant Mexican votes with executive inaction, coupled to a border free welfare trough, consequently and adversely impacting the prosperity of a majority of this nation’s legal citizens…economic adversity that, by the way, impacts _all_ legal tax paying American citizens, including law abiding Mexican immigrants.

    The natural progression from this stalemate, in which a majority of law abiding citizens are penalized by executive inaction, is appeal to the only law makers left able to enforce a remedy, state politicians. Resolution of this executive created polarization between states and feds has three options, either executive compliance to end illegal immigration, peaceful secession to end the economic adversity of illegal immigration or the more traditional civil war in which illegal but ethnically favored immigration is legalized, drafted and armed by a vote buying president and his military to ensure the continuance of the profitable exploitation of all legal citizens. At the bottom of Africa’s endless ethnically based violence is this same agenda…it creates “a better life” for no one.

  219. Jim says:

    I have a better idea, give Inyo, Mono, and those portions of Alpine, El Dorado, Placer, Nevada, Sierra, and Lassen counties that are east of the crest of the Sierra Nevada mountains BACK to Nevada!!!!

  220. benth165 says:

    Hey you bozos, just where do you think you get a lot of your water? The aqueduct that runs down the center of the state. If you think South Cal. can get by with water out of the colorado you had better think again !!! Morons

    1. Eric Stream says:

      It should not be split into South California. The best method would be to split along east west lines. Have all counties along Coast from LA to Eureka become Western California and the rest stay just California.

  221. Billy Bob says:

    Well now, here I dun thunk it were jes us dum ol’ Tecksuns thet wanted ta suseed.

  222. Bob Brown says:

    liberals, although a minority, have positioned themselves in political positions, not just to steal tax dollars, but for the power that enables them to push their socialist agenda, which keeps them in power.

  223. jlrlee says:

    I see nothing wrong with California splitting into two states. There is nothing in federal law that would prevent it. I’m not sure about the California constitution and what it says on the subject. West Virginia split from Virginia over slavery, so there is precedence. There’s a good book by the name of Ecotopia which talks about northern California being the driving force splitting from southern California. On a little different subject, I can see all 57 states having no choice but to become independent republics if the federal government continues down the path of financial self-destruction. California will be a step ahead of the other states since setting up a new state involves many of the same issues.

    1. Geoffrey Abram says:

      What about the U.S. Constitution?

      A. 4 S. 3.1 New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

  224. John Sweet says:

    hahaha! Totally agree!

  225. Soon to be expat says:

    I’ll up and move to the first state to secede that gives a middle finger to the federal government, abolishes most taxes and fees and allows citizens to be left the hell alone on their own land. Where I live right now I get Fish and Wildlife, Fisheries, EPA, County Stormwater and all sorts of environmental consultants walking through my land on ‘official’ business. They don’t even knock on your door or leave a card. Unnecessary azzholes, all of them.

    1. cartoman says:

      Texas is waiting, get on your way. we dont want whiners in Ca.

      1. Terry Furlough says:

        New York is waiting.. why dont you and your “life partner” go become husband and husband?

  226. David Emerson Powell says:

    Really. I think they beliee teh Federal Gov’t (US Taxpayers/More bonds from China) will bail them out once they have bankrupted the entire state by taking money and stuffing their own pockets and those of their “political allies.”

  227. Barack Mugabe says:

    “A secessionist movement? What is this, 1860?” Brown spokesman Gil Duran told The Press-Enterprise.”

    Yes, and the enslavement of millions of Californians by a tyrannical government must come to an end.

  228. Lance burton says:

    If they leave the state to create a new one where will they get their water. Nor Cal will cut them off with the quickness.

    1. Barack Mugabe says:

      When your northern state defaults on its debts and can’t pay its bills, you’ll sell the water at a bargain basement price.

    2. Musicman says:

      Better take a look at that map. The south would gain control of the California aqueduct, the Colorado river aqueduct, and the L.A. aqueduct in the Owens valley. Wanna buy some water?

  229. poliphilo says:

    Los Angeles, don’t forget Los Angeles. Please, take Los Angeles with you. Oh, we will throw San Franfreako in for FREE!!! Call it an island territory of So. Cali.

    You can have all the big money centers and we will have all the water. Until you get thirsty, then we will have the money too!

    Please, please, oh please, lord, please make this happen!!!

    1. annie says:

      After the next big one – there won’t be a left coast

    2. Perry says:

      After the big earthquake it will the right coast that will slide into the Atlantic Ocean, and good riddance. California, Oregon, and Washington will be a thousand mile long island.

    3. Blank says:

      Fine…with the billions saved in taxes we’ll build desalinization plants.


      Poliphilo, God will not answer your prayer as you did not show Him the respect that HE deserves. You spelled Lord with a lower case “L”, so try it again and apologise for your lack of respect to HIM. Just maybe GOD wants some left coasters to try again and leave out all the abortion funding and gay this, that and the other. Who knows, if i was GOD, i would love the chance to show the northeners how it should be done.

      1. John says:

        literary, fictional characters CAN NOT answer anything……Sorry

  230. Grady O'Mednik says:

    This would be an acceptable idea, but only if Texas also split into two states. We have the maintain the balance between slave states and free states in the U.S. Senate. If only I knew which was which.

  231. Yzrace says:

    They won’t let this happen because the Democrats will lose the state as a sure vote for them. The new So Cal would vote Republican.

  232. Waldo says:

    California is becoming Norther Tijuana with all the wetters running around. I say get rid of the wetters and their anchorbabies and this talk would not exist.

  233. BobG says:

    Ridiculous. Gonna have a new state with no representation in the Senate? Think the rest of us are going to award Ca four seats to divide amongst the two phony divisions? Think again.

    Just something to blab about.

  234. Eric Stream says:

    California has been my families home since 1860. After seeing how the state had changed I decided to leave and never come back. California has been co-opted and ceased by individuals who come from the Liberal East and we see what it has become. !st in Education in the 60’s and 70’s until Brown destroyed it. Tell me what percentage of people who live in California were Born there????

    1. Otter says:

      And we elected him again! If I didn’t own several pieces of real estate I’d leave…but then again, I might when it becomes worthless.

    2. Geoffrey Abram says:

      It’s funny you mention the 70’s because that’s the decade in which the population of CA voted to starve itself by cutting off half its revenue in the form of property taxes.

  235. G. Marsh says:

    How about the whole west secede from the union from Montana to Texas? Maybe we could return sanity to governing. Most westerners are sick and tired of political correctness,socialist/communist liberals, tired of hard workers supporting lazy bums,, tired of enviornmental , and global warming bullies,as this is a ploy to rule everything we do, eat, drive, even the air we breath. I say let northeastern libs along with Washington and Oregon libs have their way and leave the rest of us alone. Let them go broke and they will when they run out other peoples money.

    1. dave says:

      How about you tie your rocking horse to the old hitchin’ post, little man, and put your cap guns and hat in the closet. You wanna play cowboy? Go to Texas…

  236. Tom Dean says:

    Speaking as a Northern Californian, we should split in two with San Francisco, Marin, Alameda, Los Angeles, and possibly some other democrat strong holds from the South forming the new state of ‘The People’s Republic of California’ (PRC) and the remainder being the state of California.

    I hereby officially give to the PRC, the entire existing legislature, governor and state employees free of charge, just haul them, their laws, regulations, costs of compliance, and state employee retirement funding time-bomb out of the state of California.

    1. JTA says:

      Sounds like a good idea. Don’t forget San Mateo and Santa Clara Counties too. We in the “PRC”, as you call it, would be happy to leave the rest of you unemployed dirt bags in the central valley and desert behind, just give us access to Yosemite.

    2. tired old white man says:

      Yes Tom!

      It’s time for northern Mexico (aka: Los Angeles) and the parasites that think they can indefinitely live of their productive hosts to find out what it’s like to pay your own way for once. Time for them to figure out that we’re (patriotic Americans that have principled allegiance to the true meaning and nature of our nation’s founding, are simply exhausted from being called racists, having racial interest groups constantly attack our way of life, from defending the concept and practice of equality under the law while they push identity politics, degrade our American Uniqueness, and most importantly root against our national soccer team when playing against what’s left of the former human sacrificing cultures of Mezo-America…Read Race and Cultures, Migrations and Cultures, and Conquest and Cultures to best understand that cultural values are what lead to prosperity or ultimate failure. Here in America, it seems incomprehensible that we’d still be arguing for inferior cultures when the vast majority of objective evidence has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that all ideas are not created equal, and those that serve society positively, lend themselves to liberty, freedom, and self-determination, should and do prove themselves superior. If you need any proof of this statement, simply ask why it is that so many of our southern neighbors risk their lives to come here. I’d offer that if their racist liberal ideology were as wonderful as they claim it to be, then the freeways would be jammed up heading the other way, which they are clearly not. Show some respect for the nation that has given you so much you parasites, or at least demonstrate that you have enough self-control to simply shut your mouths and refrain from attacking the very people you have been so blessed to have as providers for your backwards culture before enough people tire of your whining and send you all home to your own cesspool of a country mexico.

      1. Musicman says:

        Amen. Well said…

    3. Carl says:

      I’m with JTA. The parts of California you want to secede from are the best parts. The parts that want to secede, with the exception of San Diego, are full of poor, uneducated, socially conservative troglodytes, and are best known for their meth production. Please go if you want though I doubt San Diego is going to want to join up with you losers.

  237. TargetZero says:

    It’s about time. Leave the tree huggers to the north. They can suck down all the tofu they want. SoCal needs to succeed and quick before we get dragged down with the rest of the left! Heck, lets just be our own nation and build up our own military; we can secure our won borders and build our economy without the likes of Brown and his cronies dipping their hands into our tills!

  238. Lance says:

    “If the southern part of the state is feeling under represented and feel they would be better off both fiscally and administratively then they should attempt to secede.”

    Under represented? The population of southern California is MUCH larger than northern California. That means people in southern California are voting for the way things are. Sounds to me like Stone just doesn’t like the results of that voting. He’d be better off proposing that just Orange county secede.

    1. dave says:

      Lance, Los Angeles and San Francisco are the two festering metropolitan hubs that decide how the state will go. Not Southern California.

  239. Eric Stream says:

    Would be simpler if everything west of the San Andreas fell into the Ocean like Jean Dixon predicted in the 70’s

  240. JTA says:

    I agree too. As an employed taxpaying San Franciscan, I am tired of subsidizing the likes of Riverside Co., etc. That narrow strip of land to which you refer is where all the jobs, wealth and economic activity occurs in this state. Where do you live, probably El Cajon.

  241. FreedomISConservative says:

    I know I cannot wait to help end leftism in 2012.

  242. TheGarin says:

    As someone who lives in northern california I say go for it. I hate the nanny state here in Sacramento. Taxes are too high, but really all of those problems are going to be solved by you leaving the state. I would imagine all of that water that we will be selling to you (which if you recall is the only thing that keeps your neck of California from being the desert that it is green) is going to be VERY EXPENSIVE. So Mr. Stone, like the idea, but you may want to think that through a little bit more…

  243. Marilyn Lawrence says:

    Good riddance to bad rubbish. I lived in California for more than 50 years, but never again.

  244. pancanfinfin says:

    Can we come too, North Santa Barbara county!

  245. borntobepolitical says:

    What is this, 1860?

    No more like 1776

  246. NObama says:

    It’s an excellent idea that will soon become the norm across the country as sane, hard working, intelligent, moral, law abiding citizens everywhere, which is to say conservatives, will join together to separate themselves from the thieves, liars, crooks, criminals, incompetents, which is to say leftist liberal Democrats. Yes, in some way shape or form, the CONUS will begin to look different. And guess which side or half will be better off? Although I may suffer somewhat in the short term, I will really enjoy watching the hard core leftists and the morons that elected them suffer terribly. They all get what they deserve: misery, despair, depression, poverty, bankruptcy, destitution, and insecurity.

    1. sensible_USA says:


  247. Michael says:

    Come on. The State of Jefferson (Northern California) has been talking secession for years because we need their water and they want to keep it. Folks, this is rediculous. Let’s fix problems, not run away from them just to create the same problems locally. If you don’t like the governor, or the legislature, why don’t you run?

    1. elda says:

      No one with morals will win because you have immoral places like San Francisco, San Jose, and LA to keep the blood suckers in Sacramento. I say split the state and let the blood suckers take care of themselves.

  248. Oregonian says:

    California, you guys are the laughing stock of the nation. How can you let illegals take over your state. And don’t think about coming here to retire, you made your mess now clean it up. First you put the Terminator to govern your state than even worse you recycle Brown. Everyone must be smoking pot in that state. You will now be known is Mexifornia! LOL!

    1. TargetZero says:

      ha ha ha, Mexifornia! Nice one, but sad to say, you are correct. It’s a shame.

  249. S Price says:

    I agree. A majority of the time the people that have the state goverment ear are those who want others to pay their way. I like helping but to live off of others for years! ENOUGH. Break away!

  250. Fluidizer says:

    Can anyone tell me how my beloved California,my home, my birthright, became this destructive and cruelly absurd political force for the diseased far left?
    Secession! Yes!

  251. Doug says:

    I had lunch yesterday with a business associate from Texas. He thanked California for driving out all the businesses that have now relocated to Texas, providing thousands of jobs. California is governed by morons.

  252. Mike says:

    Illegal immigrants cost CA $30 Billion every year. We’re sick of subsidizing illegals. Don’t let LA and other sanctuary cities drag others down.

  253. Jeff says:

    You do realize seceding is not going to solve any of Southern California’s problems, right? We’ll only end up with two states with the same exact problems. Unless we cede Southern California to Mexico, which doesn’t sound like a bad idea.

  254. Edgar Friendly says:

    I think the whole country is ready for war within itself.
    Socialism, obamunnistic dictatorship, over the top insane political correctness, reverse racism gone amuck led by the attorney general…
    A russian economist predicted America would split into four or five countries…I say let’s do it.

    the majority of the country is ready to tell Washington/obama to sod off…

  255. Martin says:

    I love the idea! Here in Northern California, we’ve been kicking around a similar idea for decades to take far northern and coastal counties – as well as a few from Oregon – and for The State Of Jefferson. Our main sources of revenue will be tourism, and shipping Central and Southern California drinking water at $1/gallon. We’ll also have secure borders, better schools and low taxes.

  256. Eric Stream says:

    I am a US Citizen. This union must stand for our Children’s sake. I am a conservative who grew up in Fresno. My father grew up in Taft and Long Beach his father grew up in Percy and Ukiah. And his father grew up in the foothills of the Sierra’s. California use to be a frame of mind! Now its just full of lefties from the East. They ruined there states now they are destroying mine!!!!!

  257. AZdude says:

    It’s likely the first step in the La Raza movement to create a Latino homeland, Aztlan. These racists really want their hands on things that aren’t theirs.

  258. kw says:

    Hey JTA, I live in Texas, but know enough about your state to know that El Cajon is a part of San Diego County, which probably has far more employed, hard working people in it than the city of San Francisco.

  259. Kevin Alexander says:

    Why don’t you stop pandering to the left and their radical agenda and take your state back. Stop whining and do something about it.

  260. Brad says:

    Tough to get congressional approval because of the threat to balance of power. Along with the senate needing two more chairs and the flag going to 51 stars, the electoral college would be thrown into disarray with a much greater possibility that half of CA’s 55 votes could swing republican.

    So, short of 2-state solution – how about internally dividing the state into a 2 – Sub-States? A separation on the state constitutional level. 2 governors, 2 bicamaral legislatures. 2 separate budgets. 2 court systems. 2 set of laws. And we each elect 1 senator to send to Wshington.

    They stay our of our yard and we stay out of theirs.

  261. Wayne says:

    I have always thought this to be a fantastic idea. They can have gay marriage, high taxes, all the illegals they want and all that goes with being a Nanny State. Instead of Left Calfornia I refered to it as Libturdia.

  262. Ahmed Kazikian says:

    I don’t think this is an immigrant thing, and I’m actually even surprised how everyone quickly jumped on that. They propose to split the state in two, not to secede from the Union. Furthermore, as a Republic, they have full rights to do so.
    And it makes sense. SoCal and NorCal are more different in character than Oregon and Washington for example.

    1. Geoffrey Abram says:

      The lines drawn indicate the reality, that Coastal and Inland CA are much more different than Northern and Southern. Anyways, here’s the staple U.S. Consitutional provision that refutes your “as a republic they have full rights to do so” fallacy:

      A.4 S.3.1 New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

      Now how many Americans want to give CA two more Senate seats?

  263. William Bellah says:


  264. LPW says:

    The history of Ca. shows that its Frisco that quakes on the fault line far more
    then LA ever has. Ever notice how empty it is up north there? That is why.

    LA was formed because of the last huge Frisco quake on gomorans.

    That is not to say LA is not shaky. It is.

  265. Tim says:

    I’m in! I’ve been saying this for years! Northern California has left Southern California to rot! Let’s do this!!!

  266. Jerome says:

    Maybe California should secede from the United States, it already has more Mexican citizens living illegaly there than they do US citizens. The US would be far better off without California.

  267. Mark Santeramo says:

    If they seceded then I damn sure hope that our US government would them to attack this rebel nation for simply taking our land like a bunch of thugs. We don’t negotiate with terrorists, the end.

    And I feel so bad for the citizens of that seceded city because what are they going to do for defense? How are they going to pay for the basic social services that keep an environment running, i.e. cops, firefighters, certain hospitals, dmv, etc… services in general that we all use or desire in our everyday lives. While that’s the socialism aspect of our “capitalist” society, it’s reality and it does exist much to the blight of many a politician whom masters the art of ignoring issues they are not interested in.

    They think that they can pay for all this stuff by having low taxes for their, go ahead, let them have to “import” everything…dumbest idea ever. It’s just embarassing because there is zero credibility around this kind of threat for many a reason. For the sake of length, we all know that it would be un (in?)-sustainable.

    1. cali_bigdawg says:

      The repubs have turned so cal into a third world country in pursuit of cheap labor. Let them have the dump!

  268. Beyonces Dad says:

    Please let this happen. We Bay Area folks will give Oakland and the Raiders for free as a package deal to SoCal.

    1. LagunaTina says:

      No thanks, the deal is sweet enough there Pops, big time. We’ll also agree to help in retiring the $500 billion unfunded pension liability Sacramento, Nan, Babs and Dianne created but after that, up goes the State border. I know we could issue a syndicated capital raise from our people in a month or two to get the ball rolling.

      Bay area libs will say Oh no, you’ll need us for this, this and this. Well guess what, keep it. We will flourish, I can assure you. What do we need to do Jeff Stone? Give us our marching orders and consider those orders done.

  269. Bernard Russelman says:

    Vote ALL liberals and leftists OUT of power!

  270. Padin says:

    Maybe California should secede from the United States, they already have more Mexican citizens living there illegally than US citizens. The US would be much better off without California,

  271. JustJP says:

    The libs would just f**K the southern part up too.

  272. Michael says:

    Question…If this succession would happen and businesses return to the new Californian state, how would this new state keep all the unemployed left leaning Northern Californians out and keep its purity? Im sure the new state doesnt want all the slum problems the liberal cities have.

  273. Menifee Bob says:

    For the record, Jeff Stone is a nut. Ask him about running his car into a ditch while wearing his robe….

    1. Musicman says:

      Hey Menifee lib, this is Murrieta conservative, why don’t you tell the whole story, instead of using “word bites”…

  274. Delilah says:

    As a resident of Orange County, I say “LET’S DO IT!”

    The best idea I’ve heard in years!

  275. Tina Ferrer says:

    Jeff Stone from Riverside? You have made my weekend with this as well as this poll. I love this, I will follow this and I will open my checkbook for this. Since the Bay Area and Sacramento are hell bent on controlling every aspect of our human existence, let them feast upon themselves and leave us to our own devices. We need to put this to a vote so it’s up to you and us Jeff Stone to make this happen. The only isometrics we’ll feel on this will be a very small constituency within the greater context of the State of South California. The Liberals will howl because this would create a socio economic climate they no longer control. Bravo! Now let’s get this done! Happy 4th of July!!!!

  276. JTA says:

    KW, I also know El Cajon is in SD County, that’s why I made the statement. I also know, as someone who has lived in San Deigo and San Francisco (and likes both places), that El Cajon has a way larger percentage of unemployed, forclosures, etc. than San Francisco. But thanks for your imput.

  277. feabled2 says:

    Where are you going to get your water socal?

    1. LagunaTina says:

      Don’t worry about it feable2. Rest assured we’ll manage somehow. LOL

    2. Barack Mugabe says:

      Where are you parasites going to find your hosts?

  278. Dennis says:

    I do believe it is on the books that California can legally split in two, though the process of doing so makes it quite a difficult prospect. As to the Nocal who berates El Cajon, my successful business is located in El Cajon. Buck Knives used to be located here but they left for Idaho. When they left they said the surrounding community and the County of San Diego bent over backwards to keep them here but it was the State that drove them out. Also here is Taylor Guitars and quite a few other small to medium sized business that still manufacture (Chenowth, quite a few here at Gillespie Field, as well as some smaller defense orientated contractors).

  279. JJ says:

    I don’t know, part of me is secretly happy about this as a native and long time Ca resident of suffrage, the other part is fearing this may be the beginning of a seceding “wave” stance …., another divisive polarizing tactic that does not serve the best interest of this country. We need to look out before the Yankees come charging over the hill! !!

  280. Shamrock Shake says:

    Let’s see if I’ve got this right…Mariposa County is in southern California while L.A. County is not?

    Nice try Stoner, but you either failed geography class miserably, or the only thing you want is to make your own state of right wing, tea party nutjobs. Probably a little of both.

    Time to move to Texas, pal.

    1. Liz Rocha says:

      Wrong Cupcake. This is the best scenario I’ve heard in years. You stay up in the Bay area and keep hugging that tree while we invest like crazy in our own infrastructure taking care of our own families once again as opposed to yours. California’s my home Bumpkin and neither you nor anyone else will ever tell me what, when, where or how, got it? Time to move to Texas? No, it’s time to meet Central California at what will be known as the 24 hour battle of the San Joaquin. Bank it Shake.

  281. bombshelterbob says:

    don’t forget utah.

  282. Me says:

    Eric Holder and the Injustice Dept. will stop it in it’s tracks.

  283. TransitDave says:

    This movement might just make sense, South Florida as a seperate state from the rest of FLA also makes sense on many levels,…….Mostly, in South Fla, we feel far removed from the state government 600 miles away in Tally…….

    This is a proposal that probably should be taken seriously, good ideas have a habit of not going away

    1. TT says:

      funny you mentioned that – cause when i lived in Fl – i thought the same thing… the capital there is soo far removed from alot of the state…. even drive time is ridiculously long ….

    2. Robert says:

      Sounds good to me.

      All us REAL Floridians… aka: all the Conservative cities from Pensacola on the west to Jacksonville on the east, and down to Ocala in the south, would love to be rid of all the transplanted liberal Yankees that have taken over Florida from Orlando south to the keys..

      We will keep the name Florida, and the seceding part south of us can call themselves whatever they want: aka:
      * South New York
      * South New Jersey
      * maybe even South Florida
      * or North Cuba…

      We real old-time conservative Floridians will keep our capital in Tallahassee.

  284. GR8GUY says:

    ** AND numbskull Jerry Brown will, OF COURSE, say:

    “Who… Riverside? SURRRRRE!! OF course they can secede. Heck. Nice guys down there. Give ’em anything they WANT – why not!!”


    CA. smokes too much dope, I think. They ALL live in another World!


  285. amen johnson says:

    I have gotten the greatest lift from most of the enthusiastic comments here today! It is wonderful to see the American spirit show itself and that so many are thinking the same thing. I don’t live in SoCal but spirit and grit shown here will give many hope. There should be a vote for secession.

    For those who want additional perspective check out this red/blue map of popular vote. It’s quite amazing.

  286. ed357 says:

    No way is anyone going to………..

    Escape from Mexifornia……..

    until they have been sucked dry.

  287. phillysmart says:

    These arrogant dictators/democrats don’t get it…apparently there is many in s cal that are saying enough of taking my money and giving it to the leeches…go for it something drastic needs to take place all over America to get rid of the socialist they are sucking us dry

  288. Happy I left SoCal says:

    SoCal already IS Mexico – good riddance.

  289. phillysmart says:

    I don’t know if California can be saved…the Mexicans are like termites and you know what happens once they get in

  290. LexTerrae says:

    Watch out, B’rer Rabbit! It’s a tar baby!

    They would get 2 more Senate seats out of it.

    Now, Texas, on the other hand made it a condition of their joining the union that at some future date they could subdivide and become 5 states instead of one. (look it up)

    How’d you like to have 8 more Cornyns and Hutchinsons?

  291. theives fighting over the loot says:

    It would help if the fake election Diebold looter candidate Moonbeam had something less idiotic to say. I am positive that I am not only smarter than both these @$$3$, I am more scrupulous.

  292. Doctor Duhh says:

    You Californians can do whatever you want …. just don’t come up here to Montana. Our state saying is “Don’t CALIFORNICATE Montana.”

  293. John Moser says:

    No part of California deserves another 2 senators.

  294. Miguel says:

    I note that this idea does NOT include Los Angeles County, the county which is bankrupting the entire rest of our state. What would help more than anything would be the complete downfall of the MSM, which constitute the mass-lies of my former political party. If the people of California would vote in Republicans and conservatives generally, we would begin to have good governance, slowly bringing civilization back into California. Then there’d be no need for seceding from California to save those counties from dying.

    1. Musicman says:

      Agreed, but sadly, even if this state crashes, liberals will still vote the same. They will still, inspite of all truths, blame anyone to the right of them for all their own created woes…

  295. Lorrielovesparties says:

    Cool! Maybe I’l move back to So Cal from San Freakcisco the land of Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein, Barabara Boxer.

  296. MadCharles says:

    Let’s hope they SECEDE THIS TIME.

    1. MadCharles says:


  297. Sounds good says:

    What is the weather like?
    If this happens and all works out when can I move there?
    Oh, will the area be odd like the parts up north?
    Or more family friendly like south of the border?

    Good luck! Change.

  298. Michelle Cruz says:

    JTA, I’m a forensic accountant for the State that deals with unemployment insurance in all counties. Why do you interject on an issue you obviously have absolutely no knowledge of? Okay JTA, you brought this up, source it Amigo.

  299. Mike says:

    “Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed… Whenever government becomes destructive to life, liberty, or property [i.e., the pursuit of happiness], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it… It is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.”
    — American Declaration of Independence (1776)

  300. Duude says:

    I’m a native southern Californian and I fully support seceding from Northern California.

  301. AZhusker says:

    They should secede and become their own State or become part of a new Arizona!!!!!

    It’s about time Arizona got its beach front property.

  302. TheRealKingMax says:

    Wow – what an EXCELLENT idea!

    Personally, I’ve always been in favor of casting off the mooring lines, and let the whole Peoples Republic of California drift across the Pacific to it’s role model, Communist China.

    But if the sane Californians wish to kick out the commies and hang with the U.S., good for them!

  303. Susan says:

    I hope they do secded! Northern California is more conservative than the south and we have often discussed breaking the state into two states because the liberals control everything. If they do sucede, please take San Francisco and Bezerkley with you! And, BTW, keep your hands off our water and your illegals down south where you love to support them!

  304. hannah says:

    we did this in Georgia. Several cities. So maybe it’s passed time for SoCal to do the same. The Georgia cities did so for the same reasons you have listed here.

  305. Adam Smith says:

    Personally in the 1990s when I started to bump up against the incredible regulatory and licensing hassles and the sharply raising taxes in California I seceded and moved my business, now 800 jobs, to a business friendlier state. I can totally agree why the California counties with a majority of people who work for a living, who are pulling the wagon, want to succeed from the socialist counties dominated by parasites who are riding on the wagon.

    1. Terry Furlough says:

      and spray painting graffiti all over the wagon or putting stupid “spinning” hub caps on it…. how ignorant.. “Look at me!!! My wheels are spinning!!! or those ignorant “whistle tips”.. THE WHISTLES GO WOO WOO

  306. Bobb says:

    The top 5 richest counties per capita in California are all “Northern California.” While Southern California has more total wealth is has a vastly greater population. Total spending in Southern California is much greater. It means nothing to say that Southern California pays more in taxes because it spends an even greater amount. Factor that in with them having to buy Northern California water so they don’t dry out, this deal is a huge economic boom for Northern California. That said, Southern California won’t be the ones leaving once they think it through. All for the split up here!

    1. Terry Furlough says:

      and when you get all those new parasitic illegals.. lets see how much you love it..

    2. Brian says:

      The article implies that North California would keep LA, so North California would be more populated than South California.

  307. Tina Ferrer says:

    Source the statement scot or do you just hear this amongst your friends? I’ve lived here all my life and own a sizable business. I make it my job to look for things like this and the only state that I’ve heard this being discussed is Texas not California and I say it’s time to let those folks who want to outlaw goldfish and happy meals just go their own way and the sooner the better. I’m with you Mr. Stone, what next?

  308. Hyperion says:

    The remainder that doesn’t want to secede should be called Commiefornia. I hope it happens and sets s precedent that the rest of the states can follow so the rest of Maryland can secede from the nut cases in Annapolis and their voter base in inner Baltimore.

  309. RagnarB says:

    Kowabunga Dude

  310. ex18c says:

    I have made frequent trips for vacation to Southern California over the last 10 years. We have rented a house on Coronado Island for the month of August for the last 7 years. We love it there and take the kids to Legoland, Sea World, Disneyland, etc. Since the last election there we now refuse to spend a dime in that State and haven’t returned. California had a chance to begin the change for the better but refused and went with more of the same that got them into their current mess. This is a long shot at best but I appreciate the idea of a new Southern California.

  311. Chick says:

    Would North California be the 51st state or South California?

  312. TLG III says:

    This must be a joke, right? I am from the Bay Area so I may need some schooling from my neighboors from the south on a few things.

    What is the percentage of GSP produced in Southern California? When I think So Cal I think Hollywood, movies. When I think Nor Cal I think technology & agriculture. what are the major industries in counties like Riverside. I think Riverside had a large sub prime banking industry back in the day but where do they get their money now? Even in the most northern part of California where commerce is scarce there is a massive marijuana industry. To the of the weed producing counties are the wine producers.

    The next thing is where will this state get its water from? And at what costs?

    These are just a few issues. I could go on and on as to reasons why the southern part of the state should be happy the Valley and the Bay Area are carrying allot of weight. I mean they do make good movies, play good high school football, and Disney Land is nice. But really? Seriously? Stop playing south, be quiet, and enjoy the ride.

    1. TLG III says:

      My mistake on a few things. I meant to say wine is produced to the south of the marijuana producing counties.

      Lastly I was mistaken when I said Riverside was a major sub prime center. I meant to say Irvine, California was home to allot of sub prime banks which is in Orange not Riverside county. Which leads me back to what exactly do they produce in Southern California?

  313. ragnarb says:

    We’re trying her in New Jersey. We want North Jersey. Our neighbor, New York is trying for three; Long Island, New York and New York City. WE CAN DO IT

  314. Mike R says:

    The open borders crowd with the state unions that have the taxpayers by the balls is what is causing the state of California to implode. All of your money, property, and real assets will end up being worthless. Don’t believe me…read the history of Argentina who also went with the Progressive movement that ended in a complete collapse of their financial system. Socialism works as long as you don’t run out of other people’s money. California reached that along time ago…$30 Billion in debt means that your doofus legislators have over spent taxes that remain uncollected, or are unfunded obligations that your children and grandchildren will be paying at a lower standard of living.

  315. K says:

    JTA, you are probably right. The only jobs are in the bay area. Why? Its because the liberals have taken all our rights to work. In the north, the libs have purchased (stolen) over 40% of private property that had be in active production with absolutely no tax revenue compensation. Between the lib environmental garbage and the acquisition of private property, we no longer are able to fish or log. These jobs were the backbone of this community. As far as I’m concerned, you can keep your enlightened Left California. The State of Jefferson is where my heart lies.

  316. So Cal Conservative says:

    Certainly never stopped Obama!

    1. Defeat Liberals says:

      I think Obummer believes more in the Communist Manifesto than he does in the Constitution.

  317. NOBAMA 2012 says:

    After 50 years, even Fidel Castro has FINALLY admitted that Socialism doesn’t work.

    Unfortunately for CA & the rest of the USA, Liberals are dumber than Castro.

    Here we are living in the 8th largest economy in the friggin world & we’re being misgoverned by a LIberal Retread governor & a legistlature full of Leftist Morons!

    The CA buget could be balanced next week if the Anvils in Sacramento would quit giving FREE FOOD, FREE HEALTH CARE, FREE EDUCATION & FREE HOUSING TO ILLEGAL ALIENS. Can you say “E-Verify”.

    Prison overcrowdng & cost overruns?
    The Bureau of Prisons reports that ONE-THIRD of the incarcerated are FOREGINERS.
    Secure BOTH BORDERS & give ALL incarcerated foreigners a free, escorted plane-ried home & Voila! You not only cut prison/jail costs dramatically but you open up cell space for AMERICAN criminals who are freely roaming about the country.

    Of course, we Californians must first dump the Liberals in Sacramento who put us in the financial mess we find ourselves in now before we can even begin to accomplish what I propose.

    Only 19 more months ’til we evict the Marxist in the Oval Office & cancel “Amateur Hour” in the White House.

    Lenin sure had Liberals pegged when he called them “Useful Idiots”

    NOBAMA 2012

    “Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink.” P.J.O’Rourke

    1. NOBAMA 2012 says:

      Pardon the typos…but you get the ideas…


      1. The Truth says:

        Illegals and the sanctuary these liberals have given them has made California a 3rd world state! Our census is totally off by millions as illegals don’t participate but use our services so we are way underfunded and they have sucked the life out of California. The only reason the Dems want them here is in hope of giving them all amnesty and securing their vote! Truly pathetic!

      2. moreco2 says:

        I would say a good demarcation for a New Peoples Republic of Cali would be everything west of the San Andreas Fault. When that baby goes, all the lefty loons and so called “progressives” will sink to the bottom of the ocean plate and the Valley will be flooded, and Calis problems will be over. I know that sound mean but darn, you voted for Guv Moonbeam again!

  318. C.D. says:

    Sounds like a plan to me. Most smart folks in Ca. don’t even want to
    live there…

    1. simplymarvelous says:

      then why do they live there?? It sure isn’t because the jobs are so plentiful. And the temps are not all that great, plus the amount of people all squished together, fumes, etc….So move to another state . If they put up with the crazies..maybe they aren’t that smart after all….

  319. Sh3p says:

    Love the sentiment and the idea of doing this, one problem though: it’s unconstitutional.

    A state cannot be made from another state. Sure, it happened in the civil war with Virginia, but that was illegal then, illegal now.

    California itself would have to secede, then split, then SoCal could rejoin the union. But, that’s highly unlikely: Califonia is latched unto the teat of the federal government too firmly.

  320. Art Stone says:

    “New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.”

    Both the entire state of California and the U.S. Congress would have to agree. In addition, there is the issue of the existing debt of the state. Look to West Virginia as a prototype – one of the conditions placed on the split was West Virgininia assuming their proportion of the debts of the Commonwealth of Virginiia

  321. Maek says:

    Just read Atlas Shrugged, it tells us what to do. We need to realize that the libs depend on us for everything and we depend on them for nothing but pain and suffering.

    On April 15th 2012 take the day off without pay so that no taxes are collected. If we can get everyone in the private sector to do this it would be an eye opener for who is really in charge. Government employees make no difference on this one, because they pay their taxes with tax dollars redistributed to them. That is just a shell game.

  322. Hyperion says:

    I hope they secede and set a precedent that the other states can use. Then us sane Marylanders can secede from the nut cases in Annapolis and their voting base in inner Baltimore.

  323. simmons says:

    I say give the entire state of California back to Mexico. That would be 55 electoral votes lost to Democrats.

  324. Peter says:

    So, let’s see… all of the poorest counties in California (plus the OC and San DIego) want to secede from the richest counties. OC and SD people, I hope you enjoy subdizing your dirt-poor neighbors to the east! BTW, the new state should really be called “East California”, not “South California.” The northern bits of Mono County are as far north as Santa Rosa.

  325. Lies says:

    Oh yeah, that would be great. We in the Nor Cal could finally solve our budget crisis by charging SoCal for all that water they take from us. Sweet.

  326. rich says:

    Didn’t Virginia do it??? AKA west Virginia

  327. moreco2 says:

    I would say a good demarcation for a New Peoples Republic of Cali would be everything west of the San Andreas Fault. When that baby goes, all the lefty loons and “progressives” will sink to the bottom of the ocean plate and Calis problems will be over.

  328. Patrick Keefe says:

    Excellent comment. It’s time to secede! No, it’s not 1860; it’s 2011, and secession is just as important now as it was then!

  329. Mitch in Norcal says:

    Do it, do it… Just wait till Northern California starts billing Southern California for it’s WATER. Norcal will be totally debt free in just a couple of years.

    Southern California is BARELY part of the USA now.

  330. jnsesq says:

    Let Mexico annex it. Both sides deserve each other.

  331. Michael O says:

    For many years now, I have been the crackpot advocating dividing the state into three states. While the proposal is not perfect (what is?), Californians would find themselves in states more comparable to others in the Union and offering a clearer image of what the state was about. The new states would be as follows:
    1. Southern California would be the 2nd most populous state, slightly behind Texas, and 21st in area, ranked between Washington and Georgia.
    2. Northern California would be a bit larger in area, ranking 19th between Oklahoma and Washington, but would be 21st in population between Maryland and Arizona.
    3. Coastal California would be 9th in population, between Michigan and New Jersey, and 42nd in area between South Carolina and West Virginia.
    In 2005 I set up a web site. Check it out at
    I specifically explain the geographic, economic, historical, and political data supporting the proposal and outline how it could be accomplished.

  332. Chad says:

    Secession is on the rise.


  333. Chicago Nick says:

    What are they gonna call it? Spic-oli city? They wouldn’t survive a month without OUR bailout money and as long as they kiss the azzzes of the South of the border Taco Bell contingent they can kiss our azzzes six ways to Sunday and back.,

    I’d prefer they just nuke the San Andreas fault and let that western portion sink right into the Pacific with anyone who can’ t understand the English warnings to vacate going right down with it.. Viva Mehico baby….see ya Taco Crowd…there’s your liberation.

  334. Jesse says:

    I would be thrilled to see California split. But I want SoCal to take LA County with it. SoCal is a huge drain on resources. They take our water, fill prisons (thanks Riverside), take our highway money, and they pollute all of California. So, don’t let the door knob hit you in the back. A silver lining out of this would be that California would be split into a red and blue state. Honestly, a red state to south is the only thing I would like about SoCal.

  335. Charles U. Farley says:

    I’m in. Let’s DO it!

  336. pompey says:

    …this may be viewed as a joke now but you will live to see the day that states splitting apart and the entire nation dividing will be reality. In addition to SoCal, eastern Washington, eastern Oregon, So. Ill., and others have discussed this same thing…..conservatives do not want to live in the state of sodom with reckless spending, job killing taxes, and no regard for the constitution…….revolution now !

    1. elda says:

      I’m ready….lets put it on the ballot. A yes vote means the state splits….a no vote means the state splits.

  337. Colum says:

    He might want to check with the people of Tulare County and north, who if anything consider themselves central Californians and tend to hold southern California in complete contempt. This will come off up there as just some lame brained southern california politician trying to ramrod LA’s(read everything south of the Tehatchapies to the northern counties) agenda over them. An east / west split or into three states– north of Sacramento, Central California and South of the Tehatchepies would seem more politically logical. People up north aren’t likely to follow LA anywhere.

  338. Chris says:

    The 12.6 million illegals living in California and the unions that control Sacramento, thus all of California and the Democratic Party have been hell bent on destroying that state for decades. If secession is what it takes to fix this, so be it. As a matter of fact, conservatives need to secede from liberals in every state here in the U.S. If that takes another Civil War, so be it, the liberals are damaging our country beyond repair.

  339. p;afaery says:

    Southern Cal. can leave, but only if they take Obama with them and leave the U.S. He could be King Obama. new York City should become a state by itself and leave the rest of the state. People are tired of being milked and taxed for every dime they make. God Bless America, there is hope for CHANGE after all.

  340. TimM says:

    It’s time for something. Rampant spending, irresponsible legislators. Mandatory gay history? What class do we jettison to make room for this propaganda? Right, we have such great secondary education that we can take this irrelevant course. Why not offer Logic instead. Oh, wait.. then students might see the lies of the left. Can’t do that.

  341. Voice Of Reason says:

    and No Cal can keep Pelosi, Feinstein, and Moonbeam

  342. Lin says:

    Those of us who read and have University degrees don’t WANT to be in Conservafornia PLEASE! Although they aren’t GREAT at history (Paul Revere; John QUINCY Adams) surely right wingers know the outcome of the LAST secession attempt.

  343. Voice Of Reason says:

    Mainstream Media, much like the federal government, likes to divide and conquer.

  344. solex says:

    What never seems to be understood is that the secessionist movements are being driven by the same old things: Power and Money.

    This is about people who have not wanting people who have not to be able to live in the same area. I just wish for once that the general population would realize that all this talk about low taxes and safe schools and such would not happen. This is about people trying to come up with new ways to funnel money into their pockets. And worst of all, the average person will not see any of this. You are a means to an end, nothing more.

  345. Voice Of Reason says:

    this has everything to do with Bush’s North American Union that he signed in 2006. they want to further blur the borders. Arizona is trying to do the same thing. Texas is another story. DC likes to see us infighting. It distracts from the criminal financial fraud which they are engaging in at the Fed & Wall Street.

  346. stan says:

    boy that northern california water will be very very very very expensive

  347. TY says:


  348. pocketpal says:

    Hey boys and girls- wouldn’t it be just so much easier to biotch slap the shyt otta the li bta rds around you now, kick their arses to he!! and back and demand they listen to reason. or maybe, just throw their arses out ?

  349. casey says:

    I vote that California stay as ONE state. Americans have already been inundated with California politicians, and we could not STAND another 2 senators from that that liberal state. You senator FEINSTEIN never answers her telephone in D.C.; yet you put up with it! SHE WOULD BE OUSTED ANYWHERE ELSE!

  350. SerfCityHereWeCome says:

    Better idea– why don’t Sacramento, SF, LA, Contra Costa, Alameda, Marin, San Mateo, Santa Barbara, etc., counties secede from Earth instead.

  351. phjjkhfd says:

    I think the desert heat is getting to him.

  352. Gunner says:

    Improve the average IQ of America and give southern California back to Mexico…

  353. WiseOne says:

    Idiot. It is NOT unconstitutional to split from a state – only from the Union.

    1. mikeshaner says:

      It’s not unconstitutional to split from the union either. It’s silly to think the states would have entered into a compact they could never get out of no matter what. This line of thinking is troubling. It does go against California’s constitution…which is the only one that matters on this issue

  354. SonofLiberty7 says:

    Who is John Galt?

  355. morgana99 says:

    Jerry Brown’s spokesman wins for dumbest comment. Its exactly the kind of thing you say when you have very low expectations of the intelligence of your listeners. i don’t know nothin’ bout secession, but I know how someone behaves when they think they can get away with anything because they believe you’re stupid. F Browm!

  356. Perspecticus says:

    Fun Fact: even if an agency- such as a county- that is created by a state, can actually secede from that state, the secessionist county does not get to automatically become the 51st state of the United States of America.

    The more you know.

  357. Gabriel Sanchez says:

    It’s clear that the extreme mismanagement and corruption in Sacramento is causing this to be discussed. However, as a recently former Democrat I’m starting to think this might not be a bad idea. The unions control Sacramento to the point where social services for people who truly need help are being held hostage so that public sector workers continue to make more that private sector workers. It’s Govt Union workers first, and tax payers and businesses last. And those who should get basic Govt services have them cut so Govt workers get a free pass to retirement…. THAT is true corruption!

  358. Intellibronc says:

    So would the ENTIRE country. When I lived in caleeforneea, we were trying to secede from so co loco, let ’em do it. Eventually it’ll just be one big illegal barrio,,,there goes caleeforneea into the sea….bye bye

  359. Intellibronc says:

    One would hope, though CO can stay with caleeforneea, same mentality, lived in both states, fled both states, no thank you…….Wake Up Sheeple!!

  360. Kevin says:

    We here in Northern California will only agree to split the state if you take Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown with you…..

  361. Rowwdy says:

    Why punish Montana for idiots and criminals (illegals) in CA? We don’t want to align with CA or Harry Reid’s NV, WA’s lousy politicians and high taxes.

  362. elda says:

    I live in one of those counties and I am all for it….lets do it today!

  363. Matt says:

    I just knew the racist La Raza Aztlan crowd would come crawling out of the walls here. You Mexico loving twits, california isn’t seceeding from the United States. They’re talking about seceding from LIBERAL California, which is quickly becoming a third world cesspool

    You so.called Mexican “Americans” love Mexico so much, go there. Your illegal brothers have destroyed California.

  364. Dan Tran says:

    What constitution? what law can stop Democrats and Communists so far? Leave it to them and see your life in ruin.

    California and NY are states with lots of Fortune 500, countless of businesses of all sizes, millionaires and billionaires, the concentration of the braintrust but look at how they turn out under Dem. How ignorant can a person be to have them continue being in power? Communists and Dem are born from the same father, Marxism, and thus far, the ending has been the same-destruction.

  365. demsuck says:

    Sounds good as long as Jeff Stone is not in control or becomes Govenor. Can’t help to wonder what his ultimate is, Politicians only do something if it serves them well and to hell with the rest of us.

  366. Carl says:

    Um, all the counties listed in the article suck with the exception of San Diego. You’re all welcome to leave if you want (I doubt San Diego would want to go with you), but I don’t think it’ll help your budget situation any since those are the poorest counties. Adios.

  367. garylee123 says:

    Is this Joe Doakes from Happy Camp?

  368. Brian says:

    I suggest that the rest of the country vote for removing Cali as a whole from the union. Between the 9th circuit, hollywood freaks and little Mexico you could solve 60% of the problems facing this nation.

  369. pitter43 says:

    This is just too funny for words. First Northern California wanted to separate from So Cal, now So Cal wants to separate from No Cal lol. California should just separate itself from America and form s socialist country and leave America alone.

  370. garylee123 says:

    Try looking up the State of Jefferson for the REAL Northern Ca and Oregon counties have been trying to secede since before WW2.

  371. - says:

    Hey idiot Jeff Stone, you forgot to add los angeles county. the entertainment indursty in LA alone makes billions of dollars for the state of california and celiberties tax dollars,you want to give it away to northern california. what are you frickin nuts. not only that from santa barber to long beach has alot of wealthy people living in the la county area. Also the long beach and san perdo shipping ports bring in money to the state too as well as major airports too. The list goes on and on and you want to give away tens of billions of dollars. you don’t have a clue jeff, if i were the president i’d fire you just for thinking with your head up where the sun don’t shine.

    1. Musicman says:

      The “entertainment industry” is part of the socialist problem, most filming takes place elsewhere these days due to costs.. The ports of Long beach and L.A. are union cesspools. San Diego would easily surpass those ports in productivity because So. Cal would become a “right to work state”, lowering the costs of operations. No sir, it’s folks like you who are frickin nuts getting this state to this point…

  372. al777 says:

    where would you get your water? you’re all too funny

    1. Dempsey says:

      Where would you get your power, Einstein? It already comes from AZ, NV, and UT.

    2. john says:

      We would get it from the Colorado river and the Eastern(Mono and Inyo Counties)Sierra slopes-just like we do now…Southeastern California wont need as much as LA county will not be a part-but thanks for the aqueduct (now that’s funny)

    3. Lightning Bird says:

      From the Sierras. Where else?

  373. Kip Noxzema says:

    Small Government must be something new to you, Duran.

    The big Liberal Socialist experiment failed in a big way… unless you’re one of the ones getting the handouts off the taxpayers.

  374. judy says:

    South wants to secede?? The north has wanted that for years, ever since LA started taking our water during the numerous droughts. They had green grass while we were using left over gray water to flush our toilets. Give me San Fran, Berkeley, Tahoe and Yosemite any day over Fresno, Death Valley and the border. Oh yea, and you can have beautiful downtown Burbank, too. How soon do I get to vote??

    1. The Mike Field says:

      So. Cal pays nothing for Nor Cal water. They pay the cost of transportation and distribution, but the area of origin receives nothing for this resource. Only if Nor Cal and So Cal were independent countries could this inequity be rectified. Water shipped to So Cal in the form either of physical water or of water rights probably amounts to 500 billion gallons per year, at least. On the open market, with bidding between potential users, how much would that sell for?

  375. loveyourselfalice says:

    She has a story to tell. visit her at

  376. jetta242 says:

    Hal Lindsey Prophecy is coming to passed!!!

    Would the USA Split

  377. FreeStatesofAmrica says:

    The time is now to take back this country!!!

  378. Scrith says:

    Let’s just sell those counties to Mexico to help pay down the debt.

  379. Pat says:

    YES…I’m all for it, just as long as the Governor doesn’t come with the split, stays North and take the El Cajon Mayor too…!!

    Proud owner of a beautiful home in El Cajon that is not foreclosed on.

  380. Ken Bowser says:

    I think it would be a GREAT idea if California as a whole would merge with Mexico. As for La Raza, since you’re not Mayans, are all of you going back to Spain?

  381. Chad says:

    As a Texan I say good luck and more power to you good folks in the southern California. As I see it you have been carrying the burden for the rest of the state for far too long. Out here in East Texas I meet new residents all the time and when I happen to notice that they don’t talk with the the Texas Drawl I’ll politely ask them from whence they came. The invariable reply- ‘California’!

  382. jane america says:

    oh ya i forgot!! when i was working for department of child support (up there in that stupid northern part of this disfunctional state) and we went on a state wide computer system, ) l.a. had to have their very own compter system (and they were the most disfunctional county to deal with before that!!!!). they were so disfuntional it was a joke! real embarrassing…… if you guys cant get your act together there, who are you to dog someone else?

  383. ladybugabc says:

    Splitting up a state is NOT the same thing as the secession of Southern states in trying to form another country. Many territories have sought statehood since 1860 and even NYC tried to become it’s own state because it is too different from the rest of the state. Go and look up how states have been formed and you will see this is not a controversial idea at all and It is not a bad idea, because the state is much too large to meet the needs of it’s citizens. Plus, the northern half and southern half have very different issues to deal with and very different political leanings. It would probably help to get BOTH areas of the state out of debt so that the needs can be dealt with better and citizens can have more say about what directly affects them. GO FOR IT!

  384. ladybugabc says:

    Splitting up a state is NOT the same thing as the secession of Southern states in trying to form another country. Many territories have sought statehood since 1860 and even NYC tried to become it’s own state because it is too different from the rest of the state. Go and look up how states have been formed and you will see this is not a controversial idea at all and It is not a bad idea, because the state is much too large to meet the needs of it’s citizens. Plus, the northern half and southern half have very different issues to deal with and very different political leanings. It would probably help to get BOTH areas of the state out of debt so that the needs can be dealt with better and citizens can have more say about what directly affects them. GO FOR IT!

    1. Judy says:

      You’re right. The north doesn’t want to necessarily to secede from the union but to be a separate entity from SoCal.

  385. SteveP says:

    I’m in Rockford, IL and I would LOVE to have Chicago ejected into a separate state-entity. 🙂

  386. jon says:

    not seceding from the US, just from California…. unless California has something in their constitution against it, it’s a legitimate option.
    They’d first have to qualify as a territory, then meet the requirements as set in law already to become a state.

  387. tylerjake78 says:

    California is totally irrelevant. So you all can do whatever you want. The rest of the USA thinks of California as a total laughing stock! Other states that are controlled by old left wing washed up hippy radicals (Maryland, Illinois, New York) aren’t far behind the failed state of California.

  388. Jeff Bahr says:

    i guess you “la raza” clowns, other wise know as “the race
    ‘, no nazi conitaions there huh? ain’t figured out that y’all lost the war in the 1840’s. 10 million of you jokers couldn’t whip 2 million “gringos”. don’t forget some of use gringos know history, and y’all are in violation of the treaty of gudelupe hildiago. be careful what y’all wish for, because we might start enforcing that treaty.

  389. Peter Ruggles says:

    Wrong. The state should be divided east to west, not North/South. Exceptions OC, Santa Barbara, SLO and SD go east,Marin, SF, LA, Ventura, Sacramento. I would hate to see a SoCal state with LA in it. They already run the state and they are corrupt, insane, racist and socialist. Likewise Sacramento is crazy.

  390. Debbie says:

    Local yocal calls for session? Did this Sup call for a vote by the people or did he decide this all by himself. Absolutely silly. Does Stone realize the legal steps required or is he just making noise?

  391. John Campbell says:

    I’m all for it. I’m tired of the Sacramento dictatorship literally trying to micromanage people with every excuse in the book. The rights violating laws currently on the books are horrendous. They steal our money for everyone else and then leave us unable to pay our own bills. It’s utter madness and we have no way to stop them because they get elected based on a welfare state vote. Enough is enough. It’s long overdue that the leftists sank on their own without dragging everyone else down with them.

  392. George says:

    That’s what “Hope and Change” has brought us. We’d all like to secede from this administration.

  393. beauxdog says:

    The flag of Tennessee consists of three stars in a blue circle on a red background. This is because in the beginning, the people of Tennessee considered ourselves three different states. In fact, we had three different capitols and legislatures.

    If California wants to do that… three within one, power to them. I am not willing to allow 2 to 4 more liberal senators into DC.

  394. One Nation says:

    Isn’t this the part of the state with Illegals, receiving entitlements, thus driving the State into the Poor House??????

  395. J5 says:

    Third generation Southern Californian, I have watched the lunatics destroy once great California. It’s time for a split,. Count my vote, South California NOW!

  396. Dennis K says:

    I like it, I would then visit the new CA,.

  397. David from San Diego says:

    As long as Los Angeles County stays in the original California, I want Southern California to be a separate state. I live in San Diego County. Good bye.

  398. Ivan Yurkenov says:

    Which Constitution? California’s or The United States of America’s? Cite chapter and verse, or stifle it, Edith.


    1. Concerned Citizen says:

      Article IV, Section. 3, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution reads: New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State

    2. Si Isgood says:

      to concerned citizen. It would not be within a jurisdiction it would be seperate from. if say one town wanted to be its own state say Columbus Ohio it would be with the jurisdiction of Ohio thereby not allowed.

    3. Vital Rosa Pico Pt says:

      Maine used to be part of Massachusetts, therefore this has happened before.
      A better more feasible Solution is to abolish DC as it stands and REJECT the fictional and wrongly perceived Federal authority over the states and return to a REPUBLIC of 50 republic independent nations.

      Search SOCKDOLAGER about a long forgotten American Hero that was killed at The Alamo in 1836 and learn how DEMOCRACY = PIRACY & SLAVERY

      Also Googloe ORIGINAL 13th Amendment – get rid of the Fake 13th Amendment and recognize the Original 13th as ratified and END the Lawyers’ Monopoly in DC.

      ENSLAVED by DEMOCRACY whatever happened to LIBERTY & Land of The FREE?
      Wake UP – Stand Up – Opt Out – Join in

    4. Conundrum says:

      Concerned Citizen gave a false impression by omitting an important part of that clause:
      “nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.”

      No new state, however, may be formed by separation from another, without the consent of all state legislatures concerned.

      I don’t see why they would want to rejoin the “union”, though. Get off that ship before it sinks.