LONG BEACH (CBS) — An 11-year-old died following an after-school fight with another girl in Long Beach.

Long Beach Police said in a statement that the girl wasn’t breathing and was unconscious when she was brought into an emergency room by relatives about 5:50 p.m. Friday.

The statement says that the girl underwent surgery and was placed in the intensive care unit in critical condition. The girl was was pronounced dead about 8:50 p.m.

An official cause of death is yet to be determined, police said.

Saturday, the deceased was identified as Joanna Ramos. The girl involved in the fight has not been identified.

Police said a preliminary investigation revealed that the girl had been involved in an off-campus fight was with another girl. Both attended Willard Elementary.

Louisa Hodge, reporting for CBS2 and KCAL9, spoke to the victim’s friends and her mother.

One Ramos friend, Maggie Martinez, said she broke up the fight.”She did not hit her head. The other girl just punched her in the face. She started bleeding from the nose.”

Martinez got a frantic call from the girl’s mother and told her she died three times in the car on the way to the hospital but her mother was able to revive her. “She did the CPR and she revived. But when they got to the hospital they said it was really bad and they would have to do brain surgery on her.”

The girl’s mother told Hodge, “She was such a happy person.” And she was then unable to continue, overcome with grief.

At a news conference Saturday, police said the victim was not bullied. They also said the fight lasted less than one minute.

They also revealed no weapons were involved.

Ramos friends spoke to Amanda Burden, reporting for CBS2 and KCAL9, Saturday evening.

Stephanie Soltero, who said Ramos was her best friend, said the fight was senseless. “They were fighting just for a boy.  Just for a boy. It was … stupid.”

While authorities have said bullying did not seem to be a factor, friends told Burden that Ramos kept a journal entry, on her iPad, that mentioned the girl she had the fight with and they believed she felt bullied by the girl.

Anyone with more information about this incident is asked to contact detectives Hugo Cortes or Peter Lackovic at (562) 570-7244.

(©2012 CBS Local Media, a division of CBS Radio Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Wire services contributed to this report.)

Comments (27)
  1. The Mad Man says:

    Why does CBS print an article about a girl who died after a fight with a minor and NO DETAILS about anything? I realize this is a minor but with this sensitive information, there is nothing to report.

  2. sparky says:

    Was the other girl arrested? Do they know who she is? Did any thought go into the preparation of this story?

    1. Christina39 says:

      A lot of thought went into the preparation of the story!!!!!

    2. davis drake says:

      if you read it said that POLICE did NOT provided them with such information, as is an ongoing invetigation

  3. Trisha says:

    This article was very vague …

  4. Aj Almondliker says:

    It’s called parenting. If you don’t want your kids to watch it, don’t let them. Censoring tv to appease lazy parenting is a stupid idea.

    1. Jim says:

      Actually, both Patric and Aj are correct. Patric is correct because TV stations are all too ready to air dozens of cheap, pseudo-drama “reality” shows that create celebrities out of nitwits and nobodies because people will still watch. Aj is correct because many parents need to take greater responsibility when it comes to raising their children.

      Censorship will not fix things but demanding better content is a step in the right direction.

  5. Christina39 says:

    You’re blaming TV. When I was young, I Love Lucy and Howdie Doodie were on TV and the same type of girls were fighting back then, What was it back then?

    1. js says:

      The same types of people are fighting, but today it is more brutal (this was first noticed in the 1980s by lifers in prison). Our social standards are lower than ever (while our tech. is more advanced), our popular culture is straight out of the prison yard – and this emboldens bad people. Violent crime is down, statistically speaking, because we can afford a giant prison system (over loaded with non-violent offenders)… but how many of us don’t go to the mall or the movies, anymore? The proportion of humanity that’s bad people hasn’t changed, but today they feel they have tacit approval to be more like the way they are.

  6. PatricParamedic says:

    Christina –

    If you think public behavior by kids isn’t a hundred times worse than it was 40 years ago, you aren’t paying attention. How many cops did you see at your grade school, waiting for the next fight to break out?

    And anyone who thinks human beings aren’t astonishingly influenced by what they see on TV just isn’t very smart.

    Why on earth do Super Bowl ads go for millions, for a 30-second commercial?

    Check out Geico’s booming business since they started running that funny little lizard .

    Only a fool thinks we don’t eat, ape, wear & drive what we see on the tube.

    And nobody – and I mean NOBODY – knows this better that the drug makers.

    Hell, Americans are the most drugged-out society on the planet.

    1. Christina39 says:

      Oh you didn’t read between the lines. Things are a thousands times worse, TV has changed so has the demographics, just don’t blame TV.

      1. Whiskey…Tango…Foxtrot says:

        Well said Christina . However this is the “politically correct” America we now live in and facts do not matter.

      2. dave says:

        your right Christina times have changed and what i blame most for the fall of our soc is not so much TV but the fact that no one is held responsible anymore. i was born in 1966 and when i was little if you goofed around every mom on the block would kick your tail all the way home then your own mom would do the same lol kids were held to account for what we did back then. now when a kid makes a mess everyone points the finger someplace other then that the kid who messed it up

      3. Christina39 says:

        Whiskey…Tango…Foxtrot Thank you. I went to North Hol;ywood High School and I remember there was ONE FIGHT and it was between two boys after a football games and lasted 2 minutes. I don’t think they even had bruises. We high school students would discuss politics.
        Recently I went by North Hollywood High School, guards, graffiti, music blaring, mental detector. Yes this politically correct thing is really working!!!!

  7. Huh? says:

    WOW! This happened after an after school fight? What is going on these days? When I was a kid after school fights happened at least once a week and nobody died because of it. The media, has trained all peoples to automatically assume that someones at fault for this. They push ideas (they feed ideas) to sell advertising. All of this hype, about people blaming one another, suing one another, all started around the release of “Colors” the movie.

  8. Karen says:

    This is ridiculous. My heart, love and prayers go out to the family of this little girl. I hope that every single one of the perpetrators is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, even if the little girl who died had a preexisting ailment that caused her death.

    There is no reason to fight. We live in a civilized country. Who is bringing this type of violence? This is not American. We are civilized – supposedly.

    I don’t blame TV. I blame people. TV stations only deliver what people want to see.

  9. mike says:

    Poor little girl, RIP!

  10. Jenny Theng says:

    omg joana this is so sad we went to school together but i never hang out with her this is sooo tradic france e willard i am soo sorry joana that ur gone but you know ur friends love you your beautiful i was so jeolous cuz you were soo pretty you should never fight ever
    Jenny Theng

  11. Christina39 says:

    To Growapair. I am impressed. You are very astute and here I thought you were crazy. I did contradict myself. There was a discrepancy. I said the SAME type of people were fighting when I was young and they were, but I was vague, it was not in my school, and then I said there was only one fight and it was between two boys which is true about North Hollywood High School. I was referring to Pacoima High where it was not uncommon for girls to fight.

    1. FidelityBraveryIntegrity says:

      Mikey…aka Growapair…stop using other peoples screen names just so you can talk to yourself. Its sad!

  12. FidelityBraveryIntegrity says:

    So did she die from a concusion….or did something else happen when she got home?

  13. pfflpzm says:

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    Eating Your Hat

    There isn’t any such thing like a sure thing, but that’s where this expression comes from. If you tell someone you’ll eat your hat when they do something, make certain you’re not wearing your best hat-just in case. expression goes back at least towards the reign of Charles II of The uk coupled with something related to the amorous proclivities of ‘ol Charlie. Apparently they named a goat after him which had his same passion for life which included, within the goat’s case, eating hats.]

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    Hat In Hand

    An exhibition of humility. For instance, “I come hat in hand” means that I are available in deference or perhaps in weakness. think that the origins come from feudal instances when serfs or any lower members of feudal society was required to remove their hats in the presence from the lord or monarch (recall the Dr. Seuss book “The 500 Hats of Bartholomew Cubbins”?). A hat is the most prideful adornment.]

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  14. js says:

    Ever wonder what primitive man must have looked like? I mean, I would imagine they had that, you know, “primitive look”, know what I mean? There could be people who are more modern than others. Alligators and sharks existed hundreds of millions of years ago and still live today unchanged by evolution. But some lizards are more recent. German Shepherds are more modern than wolves. There could have been people who lived a million years ago and other groups of people who didn’t exist until more recently. Anyway, something to think about. Peace.

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