Camp Pendleton Marines Told ‘Hanging Around’ Gay Bar Not Unusual

SAN DIEGO (CBS/AP) —  Two soldiers kissing off-duty. Supporting gay pride parades. Locker room banter.

The latest round of training to prepare U.S. military officers to accept the lifestyles of openly-gay soldiers began on Thursday at Camp Pendleton and around the U.S. ahead of a planned repeal of the policy known as “don’t ask, don’t tell”.

Members of the 1st Marine Logistics Group reported to class to receive training material that challenges Marines on their reactions to scenarios that range from seeing a fellow soldier “hanging around” a gay bar to hearing locker room jokes from others who refuse to shower in front of gays.

There is nothing wrong with “hanging around” a gay bar, the materials state. The officer who witnesses the loud locker-room banter aimed at gays and lesbians should remind the Marines any discrimination or harassment is inappropriate.

A Marine who spots two men in his battalion kissing off-duty at a shopping mall should react as if he were seeing a man and woman, according to the military.

Likewise, if he turns on the television news to see a fellow Marine dressed as a civilian and marching in a parade with a banner that reads, “Support Gays and Lesbians in the Military!” he should accept it as a free right of expression.

As the military prepares to end the 17-year-old “don’t ask, don’t tell” that would pave the way for homosexual officers to serve openly, Marines and officers throughout the U.S. Armed Forces are being confronted with a wide range of situational training intended to ease the transition for instructors and other personnel.

The repeal goes into effect 60 days after the president, defense secretary and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff certify that lifting the ban won’t hurt the military’s ability to fight.

“These changes are about policy,” states briefing material for Marine instructors. “The policy is about adherence to orders and behavior, and not about beliefs.”

For those who oppose the new policy, the Marine Corps says it doesn’t expect anyone to change their personal beliefs. Still, everyone must follow orders.

“You remain obligated to follow orders that involve interaction with others who are gay or lesbian, even if an unwillingness to do so is based on strong, sincerely held moral or religious beliefs,” the training material states.

A top-notch recruiter who opposes the new policy cannot refuse a promising applicant on grounds of sexual orientation but might be considered for another assignment and, at the discretion of the Navy secretary, may be granted early discharge.

Chaplains who preach at base chapels that homosexuality is a sin are entitled to express their religious beliefs during worship.

The Marines expect to finish training on the new policy by June 1, Gen. James Amos, the Marine Corps commandant, testified in Congress earlier this month.

Back in June 2009, Rose Roy of Beaumont, Texas — an allegedly gay sailor — was found murdered on base at Camp Pendleton. Authorities say he was shot three times, had his hands and feet bound, his mouth gagged, and body burned.

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  1. dumb tax payer says:

    If I were a marine I would not feel real comfortable with this. Im sorry but be gay if thats your thing but shut up about it. Not everyone elses business. Personally I wouldnt want to be at war knowing you may be the one I have to depend on.
    Amazing how minority groups of all kinds are winning all there disputes.

    1. M. Priolo says:

      So if a marine, soldier, sailor, whatever they may be, saved your life, maybe even died for you, and you LATER found out that they were gay, would you still have the same opinion? What difference would it make at that point?
      And the whole purpose of these “disputes” is so that there will no longer be “minority groups”. Everyone should be treated equal.

      1. dumb tax payer says:

        I think the vote should be made by those that have to serve directly with them in there not the people behind the desks. The problem is it allows them to flaunt it, next becomes specials needs, seperate barracks, seperate units and new rules. Like I said be gay all you want but no one needs to hear about it nor do you need to get special treatment.
        This doesnt stop them from being minority. Just gives them a right to flaunt what they are.

      2. kriste says:

        that’s bringing logic into it. which obviously doesn’t belong in this kind of argument.

        and as for voting, should we let them vote on if they want women, blacks, jews or redheads as well…

      3. Saber 1 says:

        No room for pole smokers or carpet munchers in the military. See, everyone thinks it only the Navy who has pole smokers, but the Marines are an attachment of the Navy.

      4. mark a rose says:

        ok are u in the military. i dont think so but i am where do u think these guys are gonna shower where do you think there gonna sleep. right next to me and no i am not comfortable with that.but even if you are right and gays should have the right to serve, dont you think i should have the right to quit because i dont. but no one thinks about it that way. even though my contract has the dont ask dont tell policy in it the marine corp does not recognize that they voided my contract. so all in all the marine corp is goin to violate my rights to give some one the right to say there gay

    2. The Big Logic says:

      That is amazing isn’t it? Something is wrong in the universe, and I believe it’s about to correct itself. We have bent too far backwards to appease even the most deviant among us when the country is majority rule. Destruction is coming from everywhere, and I’m hoping it’s not just coincidence.

      1. dumb tax payer says:

        Kriste,
        Minority groups have gotten there way over the last 10 years. I think its time to start going back to majority win. No matter what the situation is. Everything is so pursuaded by Media that no one takes the time anymore to consider the facts and results of the actions.
        If gays are free to be themselves in the army then they should have there own units. Wait until two get caught kissing on base and get a write up. They will call it prejudiced and they were singled out. More drama that the army doesnt need to put up with

      2. kriste says:

        i don’t think they need their own unit. how about we just have a seperate unit for the bigots instead, makes more sense since most the 18 years i’ve spent around military has shown me that more of them are open minded then not. so why punish them because a handful are to scared of change…
        we’ll start a new group for those who can’t face the gays, the blacks, the jews, the women, and whomever else. we can call them the yellow berets. problem solved.

  2. Jack says:

    To the Author of this article, a member of the USMC is a Marine, a member of the Army is a Soldier. You show a lack of respect.

    1. kriste says:

      uh excuse me, he showed a lack of knowledge not respect. you showed a lack of respect by implying that to be called a soldier is somehow degrading to a marine.

    2. TheWindrunner says:

      I get the point, but now that deviants can display themselves in uniform, in public, anything goes. Nothing that was as it should be, will ever be again.

      1. kriste says:

        and thank god for that.
        although i do feel for neanderthals, it must be hard to admit that after so many years of telling themselves only they matter, the world has grown and moved right past them.

  3. The Big Logic says:

    Now that the anomalies can be out in the open, they should be given their own regiment, and one they can be proud of. They might want to raise a banner over their headquarters with a buttplug dangling from a partially opened anus to embolden them in their victory over decency and common sense.

    1. kriste says:

      your prejudice shows clearly you’re speaking on a subject you know nothing about, decency or common sense.

  4. kenji says:

    Its disgusting to hear all the preconceived notion towards gay people in uniform. I can’t believe the amount of ignorance and stupidity these people show towards gay people. I pray for your souls, if you even have any.

    1. kriste says:

      one wonders if they would refuse to be operated on by a gay doctor as well, rescued by gay firemen, or helped by gay policemen. i’m wondering if their bias would extend to risking their lives or if they would swallow their prejudice to save their own rears…

      1. dumb tax payer says:

        Kriste,
        If you were in the marines and had to shower with a straight male. How would that make you feel? Would you feel uncomfortable or possibly go to your SGT. and complain?
        So why should a straight man have to shower with a gay male? OR a gay female shower with a straight female?
        The underlying issues are were the problem lies not the surface. Dont base an opinion off assuming I am prejudiced

      2. TheWindrunner says:

        Accepting deviancy has it’s limitations, as does everything in the known universe. And only a deviate would attempt to push it beyond its reasonable limits.

  5. semper fi says:

    to a marine, being called a soldier is disrepectful. We earned the title as marines, just as solidiers earned their titles. We have a proud traditiion, that we hold sacred. Excluding elite units, no other branch, in general are as passionate about their branch, than marines. Ive heard many of my comrades in other branches make that comment about marines.

    If you called any central or south american a meixcan, they would fell disresected, not because being mexican is bad, but that they are not mexican,.

    1. EDWARD says:

      WHAT EVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM I REFER TO THEM WHAT THEY REALLY ARE TERRORISTS IN A FOREIGN LAND AND BABYKILLERS!!!!!!!

      1. The Big Logic says:

        The normal among us refer to them as “Freedom Fighters”, the libloons have their own reality.

      2. kriste says:

        you know nothing about them. they’re heroes, most every single one. they are out there risking their lives so you can sit on your expanding rear and be a troll. they are doing what you’re to cowardly to do. i don’t even agree with many of our policies but i still see every one of them as people to be admired, especially when compared to those of your ilk…
        now head back to world of warcraft where you can pretend to be someone special. these guys who truly are, will be there to protect your butt anyway.

      3. UNPROUD AMERICAN says:

        YOU CAN CALL THEM WHATEVER YOU WANT…TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THEY HAVE SOME HAVE INTENTLY HURT MAMED AND KILLED INNOCENT CIVILIANS FOR NO PURPOSE OTHER THEN TO SATISFY THEIR FORCE. IF YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE AND HEAR IN YOUR MEDIA YOU ARE BEING LIED TO! ONCE A MARINE OR SOLDIER = ONCE A BABY KILLER AND A TERRORIST. PLEASE DON’T INSULT ME WITH THE ” FREEDOM FIGHTER ” GARBAGE. REMEMBER EVEN CHARLES MANSONS AND TED KAZINSKI’S MOTHERS CALLED THEM A SWEET BOY’S. US WARS ARE IN THE NAME OF IMPERIALISM NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS!!!!!!!

    2. kriste says:

      sorry if you feel disrespected, but it seems a rookie mistake to get butt hurt over a mistake. every single branch thinks they’re the best, and they’re all passionate about it. i get it, it’s a pride thing, like high schools and colleges all insisting they’re the best. but to call it disrespect, that’s just silly, i’m sorry.
      if i call you a mexican and you are south american, unless you’re very immature you correct me, you don’t accuse me of disrespect. the word soldier is used to include all to many civilans, it isn’t disrespect, it’s ignorance of how important it is to marines that they are in fact marines. while stationed on marine base in va, my navy husband was often thought to be marine, but never felt like it was an insult. it was a mistake.
      assuming that people are saying it just to slap at marines is in my opinion the disrespectful move, or at least cynical. as woman married to squid for his entire career, i expect better from what i know jarheads can be.

      1. EDWARD says:

        BY THE WAY I WAS ENLISTED IN THE MARINE CORP FROM 1987-2007. WHAT WERE YOU DOING DURING THAT TIME?

  6. The Big Logic says:

    The leaders of the Muslim world wil have even greater impetus to destroy “The Infidels”, and in this case I have to agree with them. The lunatics have emerged from their jack in the box, and we need to reencapsulate them, or we become them.

    1. kriste says:

      what’s sad is your statements put you closer to them then you can imagine. you think you know all, that only your opinion is right, and that everyone who disagrees is evil.

      1. The Big Logic says:

        There are certain subjects that can be argued and rationalized thru common discourse. This is not one of them. Opinion is perspective based upon ones experience, evil is a manifestation of a deranged mind. I inject neither.

  7. semper fi says:

    edward i really doubt you did anything for this county, me i was an 0351/0352 91 to 2003. now im a cop. your just sad.

    1. kriste says:

      i was thinking the same thing. for a person to spend 20 years in a group that he claims is so vile, well that says more about the person then the group…

      there are bad guys in every group, but by and large most the military members i’ve been around have been really great men and women. and you sound like one of them, semper fi. cop, another thankless job that a bunch of yahoo’s will feel free to judge you on…

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