Jerry Brown: California, Country Facing ‘Regime Crisis’ Similar To The Civil War

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LOS ANGELES (CBS) — While Washington averted a government shutdown this week, California Governor Jerry Brown continues with his budget battles.

The governor may feel like he’s in a recurring nightmare these days. Everywhere he turns with a proposed budget fix it gets shot down.

“If we don’t get taxes, if we don’t get cuts, we’re gonna have a hard time balancing the budget,” Brown said. “Many of the Republicans told me, ‘We’re not taxing and we’re not cutting. It’s your job — you’re the governor.'”

But Republicans who show up to protest at many of the governor’s events these days say it’s Brown who’s not living up to his words.

“Fix it, Governor Brown, and I’ll be the first person that would be more than happy to give you money,” said Robert Ledbetter, who was protesting outside one of Brown’s events.

California Republican Party Vice Chair Steven Baric says Brown is not showing he’s much of a leader.

“He promised he would show true leadership and he’s failing to do that. And if he wants to show true leadership let’s have true pension reform,” Baric said.

In a wide-ranging interview at the Reagan State Office Building in downtown L.A. this weekend, CBS 2/KCAL 9 political reporter Dave Bryan asked Governor Brown about the criticisms:

DB: Many of the Republicans I talk to say that they’re not convinced that you’re serious about pension reform and about cutting the slack in government, cutting the bureaucracy down. They feel that you haven’t put forward, for example, a meaningful pension reform plan because of your connection to the unions.

JB: They have to say that to give cover to their position, which is ‘No’. Their position is ‘No, we’re not going to help you. We’re not going to do anything. Well, that’s unacceptable. I did propose 12 points of pension reform.

The governor tells Dave he believes the country hasn’t been this divided since the Civil War.

This week Brown has been using Civil War metaphors at his public events to describe the deep divisions in California, and the entire country for that matter, preaching with the passion of a born-again that the country is dangerously polarized.

“We are at a point of civil discord, and I would not minimize the risk to our country and to our state. It is not trivial. I’ve been around a long time, I’m a student of history, I’m a student of contemporary politics. We are facing what I would call a ‘regime crisis.’ The legitimacy of our very democratic institutions are in question,” he said.

Check back for more of the interview with Jerry Brown to be posted here on CBSLosAngeles.com.

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  1. Phil McKann says:

    Since when is raising taxes called “reform?” Sounds like business as usual to me. I agree with Greene. Let it all fall down. After the parasites have slithered away, productive people will rebuild.

    1. Marty says:

      California is ungovernable plain and simple. Doesn’t matter who’s gov. The right thing to do is split California in two. Nor Cal and So Cal don’t like each other anyway. Just ask that Giants fan who got beat up at a Dodger game. We’ve been wanting to split California for years, for some trivial reason, we’re still one state. And things have gotten a lot worse. If Nor Cal and So Cal split up, we’d all be better off. We’re so different and we have different views. Staying one California is not gonna work.

      The Teabaggers want to take America back….to 1955. We don’t want that to happen.

    2. Rebecca Christiansen says:

      Marty, if you live in NoCal, then I’m all for it. You can take your self-righteous recycling, your irresponsible attitude towards sanctuary cities and your unending focus on someone else’s smoking. Do you know why Gavin Newsom was elected Lt. Governor??? Because its a completely useless job and the only one other than San Francisco Mayor he was suited for…I say split ’em up!! You can keep all your homeless as well as that third world country outside Fresno…where should the state line begin??

    3. Marty says:

      Fine. We’ll move forward. You closed minded intolerant Southlanders can abolish the Constitutionally guaranteed separation of church and state. Where your religious beliefs influence who and what you vote for. Where only certain people have rights. Where life is only a privilege and not a right. If you can’t pay for your health care, then you can’t live. Where you can treat the earth like it’s a dead ball of mud and dump your garbage everywhere. Where any person who is not a straight, able bodied, mentally abled WASP is discriminated against. If that’s you people in So Cal want, then you can have it. We’ll focus on the 21st century.

      1. americandreamdyn says:

        The libs are the ones demanding government involvement in religion by forcing a change of the religious definition “marriage” they are imposing government into religion. Totally unconstitutional. Lets not forget marriage licenses & taxes.

      2. Dore says:

        If I may correct you, i think there are many people who wish to change the definition of “marriage” by the state. Any religion can define marriage how ever they want, it only matters when state issues are involved (right to see ones partner in a hospital etc.)

    4. Musicman says:

      I have a better idea Rebecca. We can build giant walls around Sacramento, S.F. and L.A. and their greater areas. Call them Libcal. That would pretty much leave the rest of the state for moderate to conservative thinkers, as it is. We can make San Diego the new State Capitol. We can’t give up water coming from up north. Could you imagine the blackmail they would use it for?

    5. Marty says:

      You Southlanders want everybody to fend for themselves. Survival of the fittest. Then you need to do the same. Find a new way to get your water. You can move your half of the state, but don’t drag the rest of us back to the 1950s.

      1. david aims says:

        Marty,
        We dont have to fend for ourselves, we have a thing called a free market system which has amazing social cooperation, where we make things, and trade, and exchange the fruits of our labor for the fruits of others labor. its a wondeful system of voluntary cooperation. no one is fending for themselves really, we are fending for each other. The problem everyone has with you is that you want to take the fruits of everyone elses labor and give it to people that dont want to work for it. or give it to government to do things that the people could otherwise find in the market, at a lower cost and a higher level of service than the governemnt can provide. Thats all. thats all.

    6. Musicman says:

      Hey Marty, since when did liberals start caring about the constitution? Geez dude, you got to wait a minute, I have to change the string on my violin to accompany your diatribe. And Marty, where has anyone mentioned religion here? I make my own thoughts and decisions, unlike you libs who parrot what your “organizers” tell you…

    7. Marty says:

      I believe that a person’s religious beliefs shouldn’t influence who or what a person votes for. Especially if it means discrimination. I think that all marriages should be civil contracts, especially considering that a person is married by the state, not the church. Religion and politics just don’t mix.

    8. Musicman says:

      Marty, hate to tell you this, but if you look at the political geography of California, it’s mostly an east west split. The major population centers surrounding S.F. and L.A. are the big liberal area’s. The Coastal area’s from Seal Beach to San Diego are red as is most of the inland area’s throughout the state save for a small area’s around the inland empire. Your pretty much surrounded. Better start building those desalination plants quickly…

    9. Marty says:

      If SoCal built desalination plants, it would create new jobs. They need to be built and maintained. So that wouldn’t be a bad idea.

      There a lot of ways we can fix California. I think we should legalize hemp. I think that it’s wrong when our Indian casinos have a monopoly and pay nothing back to the state when other state with Indian casinos require them to pay back a percentage of their annual income. And I don’t support illegal immigration, but I’m not racist. I think we should build a 30 foot high concrete wall along the border.

    10. Musicman says:

      Marty, you are off topic. But since you brought it up, a persons religious beliefs are theirs and theirs only. How it influences their own personal thoughts and beliefs is their own business, not yours. They still vote individually, not collectively. And as far as marriage goes, marriage is a religious institution started by the church, not the government. They (the gov) just butted into it like every thing else in our lives. You want to have your civil unions, that’s your business. I’ll keep mine in the eyes of God, where it indeed took place. That’s my right. And that is where the real separation of church and state lies. Not the other way around…

    11. Rebecca Christiansen says:

      Marty, I really think its great you want tax dollars to go to everyone BUT the taxpayers. I’m sorry but I can’t wait till the split happens. Sanctuary cities are against the law for a reason and I think it would be awesome if you sat down with the Bologna family and explained to the widow why its okay that illegal alien gang member who murdered her husband and sons in cold blood..you know because Kamala Harris couldn’t see her way clear to reporting his sorry butt to ICE – but you with all your magnanimous wonder can explain why that’s okay. That everyone needs to be taken care of in Marty’s World. That each of us no matter what we’ve achieved need to gladly give it up to feed and clothe the people who break the law to come into this country..to feed and clothe and let retire at 55 the state employees, to feed, clothe and finance the travels and extravagant lifestyle of the state legislature, to pay for anything and everything that people who don’t work for a living don’t buy for themselves. Marty, your socialistic tendencies are showing, save them for your union meeting. I think there’s a certain amount of self-sufficiency that serves a good purpose in people. My great-grand parents came to this country legally. I don’t see why others can’t. I think you need to have about 3 million illegal aliens imported into your neighborhood so your ER can close because they can’t afford to provide healthcare to people who have a cold and tie up the ER because well, they don’t have insurance and they know that the state is obligated to pay for it..and I know you don’t have children because nobody who pays taxes in this state can sit idly by while 25% of their child’s school day is hijacked because not only do people not come into the country legally they don’t bother to learn English. So I think your life needs to be inconvenienced for awhile so you can get a taste of what its like living in the world you’ve created. And maybe then you can understand why people who don’t believe in socialism get tired of a government that spends more time worrying about the health and welfare of union members and illegal aliens than they do the middle class. There’s alot of us out here Marty who don’t buy into your socialistic bent. Your attitude about religion is almost cliche. I bet you are wearing your Birkenstocks right now.

    12. Marty says:

      Except that marriage licenses are given out by the state. We should adopt a civil marriage law like Canada’s.

      I think the state’s constitution needs its reset button pressed and we start over. That’s why I support splitting California in two. Or maybe three. Give us a chance to start over.

    13. Musicman says:

      Marty, most of your last comment I agree with you on. However the Native Americans do pay the state, I’m not sure how much, but they do…

    14. Kim Greene says:

      Musicman – you are brilliant – I think its great Mr. Socialism 2011 thinks all unions should be civil..just because you have a problem with religion Marty, doesn’t mean the rest of us do–government interfered in marriage because it was another way to raise revenue (you know revenue Marty, its all that $$ you like to give to anyone and everyone but the people who earned it). How I vote is my business just like how you vote is a cliche. Your world has really served us well hasn’t it – I mean isn’t Jim Jones like your hero Marty?? He was a big deal back in good old Days Of San Francisco…I mean Dianne Feinstein was drinking kool-aid with Jim Jones long before he thought of putting arsenic in it. Oh and Jim Jones’ retreat?? It resembles the qualities you describe about your new state NoCal…don’t drink the kool-aid Marty..its got a bad and bitter aftertaste!!

    15. Musicman says:

      Marty, for what reasons do we need “marriage licenses? Like I said, the state butts into everything. Socialism doesn’t work…

    16. Kim Greene says:

      The only good thing to come from starting over would be re-negotiating contracts with the state employee unions…make them realize how its a complete conflict of interest – them negotiating with politicians when the taxpayers pay their salary. Oh and if Marty and NoCal can be separated and all the illegal aliens go to NoCal and all the recycling and ridiculous CARB regulations and all the no-smoking laws the legislature worries about when they can’t even agree on a budget…all that stays in NoCal..that would be awesome too!

    17. Marty says:

      First, Rebecca. Shut up. Second, I was raised with the belief that all Americans were created equal. That’s what the Founding Fathers believed. They wouldn’t allow America to slowly devolve into a corporatocracy. The Constitution says “Of the People, By the People, For the People”, not “Of the Corporation, By the Corporation, For the Corporation”. Members of our state and federal governments in both parties are getting paid by lobbyists to vote against something if it means that they lose their ill-gotten gains.

      And I believe that large corporations should be forced to pay taxes as well instead of CEOs getting large bailouts just so they can use a roll of $100 bills as toilet paper.

      I already pointed out I oppose illegal immigration. If a person wants to come to this country legally, that’s fine. I don’t want people who are here illegally to get squat. Building a 30 foot Berlin Wall like barrier against the border is the best option, unless we want to end up like Germany.

    18. A Real American says:

      Marty, first of all. YOU ARE WRONG! The right is right and the left is wrong. Always. All men are NOT created equal. Some people are born with beauty. Some are swifter afoot. This country shouldn’t be a big ugly melting pot. People who are different should be treated differently. As for the illegal immigrants, gays, disabled and those aren’t white, we should gather them on all on a big boat, send it across the ocean and sink it halfway. I think unions, Medicare, Social Security and universal health care are evil and should be abolished. We will continue to purge and conquer and someday, America will claim its rightful place as ruler of the world!

    19. Musicman says:

      Kim, thanks but naw, I’m just a normal father of five grandpa of 3 small business guy trying to keep my head afloat in a world where everyone wants to redistribute my money to those who don’t, won’t, or can’t do it for themselves. I’ve gone through life with my eyes wide open, and have seen and know what ills our society today. And who is trying to capitalize on those illnesses, “created”, or natural. I’d forgotten about that Feinstein/Jones connection, geez that seems so long ago. Now I’m really dating myself, lol…

    20. anna bandcamp says:

      marty, if you’re calling people teabaggers, you must be the tea-baggie, getting it all over your face. poor fool.

      ha ha ha

    21. Jeff says:

      Marty…..I DO want to take California back to 1955! California was a much better place back then

    22. tennisman says:

      Gee Marty,

      You keep saying that we want to go back to the 50’s! Frankly, I think that’s a pretty good idea, for starters.

      People were working…Families were together…babies were assured of being born rather than having their lives aborted.

      Neighborhoods were safe, without ‘gang’ violence…schools were actually educating children instead of trying to keep guns and knives off the campus.

      Children had a mother at home providing what mothers are especially good at, while fathers worked hard and were responsible for the support of their families, rather than government supporting them.

      Children with ADD and all the other alphabet disorders! Overly medicated, overly analyzed and categorized. Obesity a national disgrace, couples unwilling have more than 1.8 children per marriage lest their lives become to burdensome?

      Alcoholism, drug addiction and other pathologies were not destroying our cities, Detroit was actually a beautiful city to live in (image that)! And young people had a chance at a job, rather than a life of crime and a spot in the penitentiary.

      Yes their was more racism then than their is now, and more sexism also. But it seems to me that we threw out the baby with the bath water when we embraced the Great Society and Radical Feminism. Sure must have been a better way?

      Yes Marty, for myself, I say LETS GO BACK to the 1950’s, those good old days!

    23. ROFLMAO says:

      Marty,

      That’s a great idea, except for having it be 3 states:
      SoCal, up to Sacramento
      NoCal, Sacramento and above
      BayArea: Just carvet it out, and have it be it’s own, self-righteous country that can tell the world how to do things as it begs for money and resources.

    24. rexxhavikk says:

      Marty… “teabaggers? Tea party = constitutional government + fiscal responsibility. Nothing more, nothing less… only an idiot could oppose that.” teabaggers” well, we have the teabag you have the cup….

      1. StrangeDays says:

        “Tea party = constitutional government + fiscal responsibility”

        That’s funny. Maybe 2 of you really mean that. The rest is trying to shove your moral views down the throats of the rest of the country. Defund Planned Parenthood to help save the budget? Really?? That is the strange fantasy land that you folks are basing your budget change on. Wow.

      2. Winston Galt says:

        I think that Marty’s spent too much time smoking that hemp that he’s so desperate to legalize.

      3. heehaw says:

        @strange days – wow are you off base. There is no Constitutional legality for the Government to pay for anyone’s health care – PERIOD – whether it’s cancer screenings or abortion or free condoms or needles or anything else. That’s the point of the Tea Party – Funny how you people instantly equate doing the right thing with Christianity – there is no Tea Party stance on religion. You lefty mental cases can;t survive without hyperbole and rhetoric can you? No one said cutting PP would fix the budget – what they did say is, much like NPR, the government has absolutely no right to be funding it so it needs to be de-funded – just like whinebaag’s omnibus health project.

      4. Cali_bigdawg says:

        Funny how history repeats itself! We could fix all our budget problems but not solve the problem. Since the early 1900s, the value of the dollar has decreased by about 90%. The fed reserve is printing money like mad and giving out trillions to hand-picked banks further devaluing the dollar. The IMF and other countries want to move away from the dollar being the world reserve currency (this alone will crush our economy). Global corporations and banks have created $1000 trillion in derivative debt that they want to transfer to the taxpayers. The NY stock exchange is about to be bought out by the Germans, thus making a world stock exchange. Our corporations have been allowed to monopolize at a global level (too big to fail) and now want Americans to compete with Chinese/Indian slave labor. We’re getting hosed so bad by those who wished us harm in the past and now.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
        Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed “The Fighting Quaker” and “Old Gimlet Eye”, was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps, and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean during the Banana Wars, and France in World War I. By the end of his career he had received 16 medals, five of which were for heroism. He is one of 19 people to twice receive the Medal of Honor, one of three to be awarded both the Marine Corps Brevet Medal and the Medal of Honor, and the only person to be awarded the Brevet Medal and two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions.
        In 1934 he was involved in a controversy known as the Business Plot when he told a congressional committee that a group of wealthy industrialists had approached him to lead a military coup to overthrow Franklin D. Roosevelt. The individuals that were involved denied the existence of a plot, and the media ridiculed the allegations. The final report of the committee claimed that there was evidence that such a plot existed, but no charges were ever filed. The opinion of most historians is that while planning for a coup was not very advanced, wild schemes were discussed.

      5. Betty Dahl Andersen says:

        Average school teacher salary $67,000 retire at 55 with 90 ercent that is $63,000 a year with free medical and dental. Fill that position with a new teacher, that position is costing us $130,000 with free medical and dental for both. It is not sustainable and Jery Brown caused it.

      6. Betty Dahl Andersen says:

        The problem with government funding Planned Parenthood with my money is that Planned Parenthood kicked back one million dollars to the Democrat party for their reelction. I don’t want my money funding the Democrats. Planed Parethoood should get private funding.

      7. Blake S. Davis says:

        I go to our local Tea Party, and no one talks about abortion, Planned Parenthood or anything else other than spending. The Democrats want to tar the Tea Party movement with being in agreement with its more fringe members – sort of like saying that the Democrat Party is in full agreement with the New Black Panther agenda because some New Black Panthers are Democrats. It’s not a fair comparison.

        The Tea Party – and I’m a member – is first and last about reducing government spending. When one in three dollars is borrowed, and much of that from China – don’t you think spending reduction is a good thing to do? There is no social agenda – NONE – in the Tea Party – not in our group, it’s all about spending, first, last and middle. And you won’t find anyone who says different, since the Tea Party is a true grass roots movement – we have no ‘leaders’ as such, and our focus is simply on …..reducing government spending. The politicians can figure out where – but we don’t like tax increases since they very often are excuses to increase the size of government, which of course leads to more spending.

        And there isn’t much more to it than that – those who claim that the Tea Party is something else are usually just trying to discredit a movement that they don’t understand and don’t want to understand – mostly because they are Democrats and view Tea Party members as people who vote Republican. We have no liking for anyone – Democrat or Republican who wants to spend more money, but overall the Republicans are more receptive to spending reductions than Democrats.

        If Democrats change their position and come off as people who are interested in substantial cuts to spending – like Cuomo in New York appears to be doing – then the Tea Party will support them. But I don’t see that happening with OBAMA.

        Now that you understand this, maybe you would consider joining the tea Party – we do have a diverse group, despite what the media says. Then you can discover the truth for yourself, instead of relying on others for (false) information.

      8. @Blake – I’ve heard that position before. However, the leader of your caucus, Michele Bachmann, is rabidly anti-abortion. Reduction of government spending may be your party’s agenda, but it is being pushed aside by some of your members (and leaders) who prefer to focus on social issues.

      9. Curious says:

        Why should taxpayer money pay for abortions?

      10. Tax payers don’t pay for abortions – Hyde Amendment.

      11. Curious says:

        What about funding Planned {no}Parenthood?

      12. Again, Hyde Amendment. It applies to PP as well.

      13. SocalSam says:

        Teabaggers was smaller goverment. Nanny state Dimocrats want to regulated everything.
        Let’s stop this.

      14. Hmm regulating “everything” I kinda like clean air. Take a deep breath in Beijing, and you’ll wish you hadn’t.🙂

    25. NoMarxists! says:

      I was born in 1955 and we had a great country then. It was a year after Brown v Board of Ed so were on the right track for civil rights. Then the democrat party was hijacked by the communists in the McGovern years and this country has been going strait to hell ever since. Don’t split Cali, you communitsts just need to leave and go live in Cuba or other hell hole.

      1. Dore says:

        No! Marxists can stay. You don’t have the authority to tell people how to think or vote. If you want to change peoples mind why don’t you try and understand their positions and clearly make arguments for your own?

    26. buckbamboo says:

      I’m not a Jerry Brown fan but he is right.

    27. CleanFun says:

      Some of the best tools I own were made in the 50’s & 60’s, and they’ll probably outlive me. So were the best cars, movies, and music. That was the peak of our civilization. I don’t see any problem at all with the US going industrial again. It sure beats today’s society with it’s complete lack of principles & ethics.

      Sure hate to give up California though. It’s beautiful outside of the major cities and the radical progressives.

    28. MIKE says:

      I’m a small business owner: I make $240K per year; I employ a number of people in the foothills outside of Sacramento: My daughter will go to college in 5 years.

      At that time, I will leave the state of California (and take all the jobs with me) because i will be able to fund my daughter’s education by avoiding California state taxes.

      Marty and so many other liberals just dont get that their own jobs are at stake. Keep taxing corporations, keep taxing those who took the risk to start a company (I invested $150K of my own money to start mine and Marty, I expect a check in the mail) will go away. Why tax me more, just because I am now benefiting from my 18 hour days, almost a failed marriage and many other things.

      Why should I give Marty anything?

      Marty, you and all your lib friends can kiss my patootie. I’m done with you.

      1. The Old Doctor says:

        “… I will leave the state of California (and take all the jobs with me) because i will be able to fund my daughter’s education by avoiding California state taxes.”

        Finally, a republican who gets to the guts of the matter … paying taxes, not good, “avoiding taxes,” good.

        Why is it that Republicans think only poor people should pay taxes. To quote The Queen of Mean, Leona Helmsley, “Only the little people pay taxes.” That seems to be the meat and bones of Republican ideology.

      2. Guest says:

        Why is it that Republicans think only poor people should pay taxes. To quote The Queen of Mean, Leona Helmsley, “Only the little people pay taxes.” That seems to be the meat and bones of Republican ideology.

        Why is it that only upper middle class pay taxes and the lower middle class doesn’t? This country has no poor people…maybe some that are poor by choice… but that is their choice and I’m pro-choice. I would love to help all people feel the pain of the liberal spenders by having a national sales tax and No income tax. This way when taxes go up ALL people can feel the sting of the liberal policies.

      3. steveoh77 says:

        Mike, you are correct that you are over taxed but don’t ever forget who paid for the roads your customer’s drove to get to your business. Or for the dams, so there was water for your customer’s to drink. Or who paid the police officers keeping the streets safe (although in the past, LA’s were some of the most corrupt). Or who paid for the armies who overthrew Hitler. In Calif, you have high income taxes, but if you stay in one place, very low property taxes. And who does that disporportionatel benefit? Why the rich of course.

        There needs to be balance at all levels

      4. heatherfeather says:

        MIKE–We could use a few good men like you in Idaho!

    29. bitter taxed says:

      Why is raising our taxes always the only solution? How about trimming the budget?

      1. A Real American says:

        Why is cutting taxes always the only solution? Make the rich pay more. If an old lady and a Herculean body builder were both lifting an object, shouldn’t the body builder carry more of the burden?

      2. Ben says:

        A Real American: You’re truly an idiot. It’s very obvious that you are not an entrepreneur, and you do not have business or tax sense. I suspect you get some type of government assistance, and that is why you’re siding with the liberal handouts. Taxing people who make 250k more, will guarantee that jobs will leave the state, and further solidify that our companies will be leaving. These are the small businesses, and not the major corporations. I’m not sure if you realize, it’s the small businesses that really make the bulk jobs. Learn a little more, before voting.

      3. Bob Sloggin says:

        A Real American is an id1ot. Yeah, why not tax the rich 100%. Hell, the top 1% are already paying over 38% of the total tax in this country. If they can afford that make em pay 100%. Then make they buy everyone a house and pay them a yearly salary so that they no longer have to work what so ever.

        Stupid liberals

      4. jay says:

        Next time you’re at a restaurant, with your buddies, tell the guy who makes the most ( and probably also works the hardest) to pick up a bigger share of the check.
        Because he is obligated, you know. God I hate liberals!

      5. steveoh77 says:

        Bob Slogan,

        The reason the top 1% are paying 38% of the tax is becasue they are too greedy to spread it around. And BTW, they pay at a lower rate.

        Capital Gains and most Dividends are taxed at 15%. Your secretary’s wage is taxed at over 30% when you consider the 15.3% social securtiy tax that isn’t levied on Dividends and Capital Gains.

        Why do you think the top corp. guys get paid in stock options? That’s right, they avoid social security tax and only have to pay 15%.

        Our tax policies benefit the rich and the fact that 500 families controll over 2/3rds of this country’s wealth is a testament to that.

        I’m all for low income taxes for all. But I’m mostly for taxing all income equally.

      6. Curious says:

        The ignorance of people like A [Sur]real American and Steve Oh[my goodness I really don’t know what I am talking about]77 is amazing. Right. Keep taking from those who work hard and sacrifice; take more and more of their money and give it those who don’t. That is certainly a paradigm for a successful long range economy. Face it guys, even China is leaving confiscatory communism in the dustbin. It just doesn’t work.

    30. robert m. simon says:

      There needs to be reform and that doesn’t mean sacking the taxpayer yet again….we do have a division and it is too deep and fundamental to be ignored….

      1. Sandra Renee Owens-Cooper says:

        Why should a person that works hard and makes it have to pay for lazy people that will not work

    31. Dennis says:

      I don’t want to be part of either SF or LA. Split it along the Coastal Mountains. Let those two areas fight it out, hopefully destroying each other in the process.

    32. Fanny Forbes Franklen says:

      He probably also worships the degenerate Lincoln that caused over 600,000 deaths from his war of aggression against the South. Or was it Lincoln’s thousands of spies used against the public, or the arrests of state legislators, or the shutting down of hundreds of newspapers?

      This moron knows nothing of history and parrots the academic dribble of the fascists that think they know what’s best for you and your children.

      ——— http://911essentials.com

    33. Cali_bigdawg says:

      Fact:
      The average CalPERS pension is about $25,000 per year. Half of CalPERS retirees receive $16,000 per year or less in benefits. Unlike the private sector, many CalPERS members do not receive Social Security, making their CalPERS pension their sole source of pension income, other than savings.
      Fact:
      Seventy-eight percent of CalPERS retirees receive $36,000 per year or less. School pensioners in the CalPERS program receive on average $1,079.00 a month.
      Fact:
      Only 1 percent of the nearly half million CalPERS retirees receive annual pensions of $100,000 or more. Many are retired non-unionized or specialized skilled employees or other high wage earners who worked 30 years or more. Many served in high-level management positions.
      Fact:
      CalPERS pensioners help stimulate the economy. A study found that pension income to 674,000 CalPERS and CalSTRS retirees generated an economic impact of $21.1 billion to the State’s cities and counties. The economic footprint of retiree spending rivaled that of the hotel and accommodations industry of the State in 2006. In all, California public retirees put back $2 into the economy for every $1 they receive in pensions.

      Fact:
      This statement compares a time when the State paid little or nothing during years of robust investment earnings and took a pension holiday to the recent market cycle extremes and current economic downturn.
      Fact:
      In 1981-82, pension contributions for the largest category of employees cost the State 19.6 percent of payroll. For the current 2009-10 fiscal year the state is paying 16.9 percent.
      Fact:
      The State of California pays less as a percentage of payroll today than in did in the early 1980s.
      1981/82 2009/10
      State Miscellaneous 19.563% 16.917%
      State Safety 20.409 18.099
      CHP 31.995 28.438
      School Miscellaneous 13.020 9.428

    34. Cali_bidawg says:

      If we go down, the red states will colapse cuz we subsidize them with our tax dollars.

    35. Saber 1 says:

      Police Seek Help In Finding Man, 80, With Alzheimer’s Wait, wasn’t he elected as Governor of California?

    36. teaisstronger says:

      BROWN IS WRONG ITS ALREADY STARTED

      Brown, the Democrats and the Union Thugs are doing everything possible to devide this nation and it is divided never to be again. Soon the the streets will flow with a tsunami of blood in the cities. We will sound the El Degüello, no prisoners. Democrats have done everything possible to destroy our nation and its once proud people.

      1. The Old Doctor says:

        You don’t seem to get the point of the article. What makes you think that Democrats don’t own guns, or that they don’t know how to use them, or lack the cajones to resist and overcome any violence you throw their way? Your post mirrors the sentiments of the antebellum south, namely that the North would not fight. Those folks were sadly mistaken, just as you are mistaken if you think civil war is the answer, and especially so if you think that, in the face of our national history, any American President would not react as Lincoln did.

        Bobby Lee could have saved us all a lot of trouble if he hadn’t sent that last letter to Jubal Early, and Jubal himself could have saved us even more trouble if he’d never written his paean to Lee, establishing the absolute myth of the “lost cause.”
        😉

    37. teaisstronger says:

      LATER THIS YEAR MILLIONS OF TONS OF REFUSE FROM JAPAN AND 10s OF THOUSANDS OF BODY PARTS WILL BEGIN WASHING UP ON BEAUTIFUL CALIFORNIA BEACHES.

      You people in California deserve every piece of waste you will receive. We will buy all of our fresh vegitables from South America and Florida. We should sell California back to Mexica you would both make a fine match. You, your govenors, and federal judes have helped to ruin this nation so now you will be ruined. You didn’t want to be Americans so go to hell.

      1. Lee says:

        Hey Tea, there are many patriotic Americans here in California that were in on the beginning of the tea party just as I was. Instead of wishing a beautiful state gone, try to help us rest it back from these aged sixty radicals that have taken it over and bankrupted it morally, physically and financially..

      2. Michael Wright says:

        Dear Lee,

        Agree with you wholeheartedly. Thats why it was important to prevent the second coming of SHI*-Brown. Conservatives are welcome in the State of Kansas. Liberals and Democrats can all wither and die from the vine for all I care.

        YOU GET WHAT YOU VOTED FOR.

        America will survive Obama. What scares the hell out of me are the people who voted this POS into office. America will not survive those people.

    38. teaisstronger says:

      I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE PEBBLE BEACH COVERED WITH PIECES OF JAPANESE HOMES, GARBAGE AND BODY PARTS. YOUR RESIDENTS DON’t EVEN WANT PEOPLE VISITING BUT YOU WILL WANT US TO PAY FOR YOUR CLEAN UP.

      I never knew I hated California so much until Swartz became Governor. I will miss DelMonte products.

    39. Adam says:

      Marty, “we” will vote for what “we” want, and when “we” win, you will fight it in court until “we” don’t get to vote anymore. Or the government will not longer support what “we ” vote for.

      So don’t say what “we” want sweet heart.

    40. yeayea says:

      I have an idea!! The U.S. can fire every chemical weapon into every Califronian city. That way, no more chemical weapons, lower population, and the 49 states do not have to pay for California!

    41. mrsharfer says:

      Here, here! Well put, well said.

    42. mark says:

      yup!! on 4/15 the minds of the world will go on strike! Time to Shrug.

  2. FN Cee says:

    Toooo old to know … what a great “BS” artist …

    1. rich says:

      HaHa, You Californians got just what you deserved for governor. A liberal re-tread from the 60’s who hasn’t a clue how to fix your dilemna. What the hell are you whackos thinking anyway ? Did you really think he had changed? I can’t, for the life of me, imagine there’s not a candidate who was a far better choice than Ole Jer. Swim in your swill and good luck !

  3. BROWN IS BAD says:

    JERRY BROWN BLOWS
    GO AFTER ALL THE ILLEGALS AND MAKE THEM PAY TAXES OR DEPORT
    MY COMPANY TOOK AWAY OUR PENSION 25% OVER 4 YRS. =100% GONE,THEY RAISED THE RETIREMENT AGE SO YOU COULDN’T GET OUT WITH A GOOD DEAL.

    HE IS QUITE THE GIRLY-MAN
    WHOSE HIS WIFE IS HE ANYWAYS? THE UNIONS ?

    1. The Old Doctor says:

      “My company took away our pension … raised the retirement age…”

      “Your company” couldn’t have done that in the face of a strong union. Unions are not the problem, management/ownership is. Until labor bands together again, more and more “my companies” will likewise “take away our pensions.”

      The equation the Tea Party offers is, “Those unions make too much money. Let’s kill the unions.”

      That’s an illogical conclusion. The only logical conclusion is the opposite: “Those unions make good money. I need a union.”

      1. Guest says:

        Doctor. You are the one that is illogical. Tea party equation is not what you make it out to be with your ill conceived logic. I think you could define “tea-party” more accurately by saying… those unions make too much money… good for them… just don’t require me to join one if I don’t want to and don’t give public monies to the unions… let the union stand on their own feet.
        This way we could end much of the derisiveness in the country if we could do as we choose with what is ours and NOT try to take from others what doesn’t belong to us.
        Your way of thinking is very good if you live in a third world nation…not if you live in a nation where we have no poor. This isn’t the early 20th century… the age of Marx, Malthus, and Lenin… this is the age of personal choice!

      2. Tom Jackson says:

        Old Doc: No Need. The unions are doing a superlative job of killing themselves. Here’s the thing you liberal rubes really have to get your arms around…the vast majority of voters in the Dem party are “unskilled” labor. Sure there are some credentialed liberals who have functioning brains, but they typically end up in Goverment jobs or non-profits i.e value reducing enterprises. Your Dem leadership has known this for decades, so they keep tying to loot from those that can compete in the global matket in order to throw you a few crumbs. In case you haven’t noticed, you are now competing against former communists that make $2 per day. Since the redistribution gravy train can’t be sustained, you have two choices…1. Go get some skills that are valued in the global marketplace (on your own dime) or 2. Starve

        BTW, there are likely far more right wing than left wing shooters/hunters. If you want to go down that path, my $ is on the righties

  4. Steve says:

    True budget reform means spending less than you bring in. The Republicans are not the problem. The out of control spending Democrats are.

  5. Me says:

    How are state employees leeches? My Dad pays into his pension and his health insurance just as he would in the private sector. He is having furlough days and many of his friends are being laid off. Its bad for everyone. Quit scapegoating state workers.

    1. Musicman says:

      In the private sector we save for our retirement. State government is far to bloated and expensive in order for the economy to fiscally survive. State workers, at least many, have abused the pension system, inflating their final years salary with time and vacation pay. Many state workers get 15 paid holidays a year. In the private sector, we are lucky to get 6. There are many many retired state workers receiving a 6 figure incomes in retirement, plus all bennies. Enough is enough. Sorry about your dad. But that’s “change” for ya…

    2. Kim Greene says:

      Hi Me- state employees can retire at 50 and live off their fully funded pensions. They get 14 paid holidays — 14?? I get 6. Furlough days are unpaid vacation days. Do you know what a furlough day is in the private sector?? You might not get paid but you better get your butt to work or you will be fired. And the only way your dad’s friends are getting laid off is if they are retiring. State has not laid off anyone. ANYONE!! I would love to have the retirement package the state offers. Of course, I’d love the freebie healthcare (and I know your dad pays but he pays less than minimum – like $5 copay and his pension payment?? Minimal…the majority of state employee pensions — 95% of the pension is funded by taxpayer dollars – wait, I think I’ve defined leeches completely now but just one more thing – in the private sector we get 80/20 – and no $5 co-pay. And our family?? We have to pay fully for them, ask your dad how much he pays for you. .

      1. New York Nick says:

        The perfect example of the Public sector leech is sitting right in the freaking white house. That Obama family acts like they won the lottery with our money unlike any other president in history because every other president came from wealthy families who got rich in the private sector first and then went on to public service once they accomplished all they could in the private sector

        Now on the other hand we have Obama who’s with his family in 2 years on our time and dime from the get go sucking a senators salary while only in the office for a hundred days then bolts to run for president on Illinois’ taxpayers time and dime and has taken in 2 short years more public funded vacations than most of us private sector workers get to take in a lifetime.

        And that’s not even counting the vacation the job is half the time flying all around the globe in comfort once again most private industry workers don’t even enjoy in their own homes. Look at what multi multi millionaire Nancy pelosi sucked off the public during her years as speaker of the house.

        The first thing Boehner did was abolish the use of Air force jets and start flying coach. If he could do it why did we spend millions so san fran nan could fly around like the Sheik of Yerbouti?

        My family has a saying about liberals and democrats and it goes like this:

        Conservatives get rich in the private sector first and then run for office to give back: Liberals run for office first to get rich and then retire to the private sector to get richer and richer off the public service they supposedly did.

        And again I use Obama as the most recent example, a man who’s only come back to his ‘Chicago Home” (yea right) 4 times in two years but has traveled to his boyhood home where he no longer has any family as many times. He doesn’t go home because that Chicago house down the road from mine is nothing but an address for him while running for president and now sits vacant like the Munster’s house.

        Slick willie, before running for president never made more than 30 000 a year as governor of Arkansas, that’s a fact, look it up. Look at him now, he’s still never had a real job and he and the Skank are worth hundreds of millions.

    3. Musicman says:

      Amen Kim…

    4. Clara says:

      Paying a small percentage toward your retirement is vastly different than in the private sector where most private sector employees a) pay 100% of their retirement and b) do not have a defined-benefit plan.
      State workers are, in fact, a HUGE part of our budget problem. Do a little research and you’ll see. It’s unsustainable and utterly unfair to the majority of the taxpayers who are in the private sector.

    5. Cheese_Wonton says:

      Most public employees receive no social security at retirement. Public pension plans are constructed to use social security contributions to fund the pension,but the employee in this sort of pension plan earns no quarters towards social security, and therefore receieves a social security benefit based on their prior years of work, if any, in the private sector. If you went from high school into, say, the fire department, you would never receive social security at all.
      That was also part of the deal no one wants to talk about.

    6. drcldh says:

      Thank you “Me”! I totally agree with you! My husband as well pays nearly $650 a month for our family’s health insurance and of course pays into his pension. He’s also gotten notice that his mandatory pension contribution will increase in several months. He hasn’t had a raise or cost of living increase since he started working as a state employee almost two years. In fact, he actually makes less than he did when he started because his deductions have increased. There are a lot of state workers who are making less than other people in the same type of job position. So I agree – quit scapegoating state workers!

    7. supersniffy says:

      “State Workers”….now that’s a laugh….

    8. drcldh says:

      Oh, also, my husband may be a state employee, but he is not part of a union.

    9. Reality Check says:

      “How are state employees leeches? My Dad pays into his pension and his health insurance”

      Very carefully worded statement, that was. This is just like saying “ILLEGAL ALIENS” are entitled to government payments for free health care, free housing and free food just because they, the ALIENS, paid “SOME” taxes.

      “Paying INTO” something, is not the same as paying FOR something. Tax Payers are forced to pay for government employees pensions and benefits, Private companies only do so for some employees and private companies always do so voluntarily.

      Private employees, on average, receive from their employer only a small fraction of the benefits received by government employees from the tax payers who employ them. Many private employees pay more into the retirement plans of government employees than they and their private employers together pay into the private worker’s own retirement plan.

      Sort of looks like there may be a reason the private employees and government employees have different views on excessive benefits for government employees.

    10. Mark Davis says:

      Your dad is a leech because it take 10 state workers to do the job of 3 private employees. Your dad is a leech because he only pays a fraction of what private workers do for health benifits. Your dad is leech because he will collect many time over what he paid in to his pension. So THAT MAKES YOUR DAD A LEECH. I hope that answered you questions.

    11. Dennis says:

      Cheese_Wonton:

      I would love to be able to take the 12.4% of contributions I make to SS and put it in my private pension plan. I won’t see a cent of that money since I do save for retirement outside of what the government “saves” for me. The politicians are already talking about “means testing” and raising the retirement age to 70. SS is broke and is already paying out more than it brings in. If I had all the money I paid into SS invested in a private plan I would most like be able to retire before 60.

      SS is a Ponzi scheme .A private sector firm or individual would go to jail if they started an investment plan based on the SS model (See Bernie Madoff).

    12. Kevin M says:

      He pays some but not nearly enough, and nothing to social security, which is a bad deal for most people. People under 50 who actually save for their retirement will find that social security is means tested and none for them.

      Social security and private pensions are not guaranteed. Why is yours? If we have to we’ll rip judges off the bench until that changes.

    13. Todd Riley says:

      Name a single instance where a union has made any industry better off? If your dad is good at what he does, the uniions are holding him back.

    14. mom2j says:

      “Mark Davis – Your dad is a leech because it take 10 state workers to do the job of 3 private employees. Your dad is a leech because he only pays a fraction of what private workers do for health benifits. Your dad is leech because he will collect many time over what he paid in to his pension. So THAT MAKES YOUR DAD A LEECH. I hope that answered you questions.”

      How do you know how much state employees pay for insurance benefits? My husband pays almost $700 per month for health insurance, plus he has to pay for parking, and of course pay into the retirement system, just to name a few things…he won’t collect ‘many times over’ what he pays into his pension when he retires…state employees where my husband works are being asked to do two jobs to hold down costs in order to stay within the budget for the medical project they’re are working on for the hospital system…no raises or COLA…not all state employees are guaranteed a hefty retirement amount. My husband was better off when he worked in the private sector.

    15. db from austin says:

      Has anyone noticed that government workers who respond here are more than happy to say exactly how much they pay for medical insurance but only say that they “pay into” their pensions. Come on you government freeloaders. How much do you actually pay into your pension funds?

      1. When I was a sub for a public school district, 8%.

    16. Rough-it says:

      I also pay into your Dad’s retirement fund and I also pay for his health insurance and I pay a lot. Didn’t he tell you that?

      Your Dad does not pay into my retirement fund or my health insurance. No one has it as good as the state workers, they are the new royalty.

    17. V Motts says:

      he does not pay anything NEAR what he would if he were in the private sector..

      How about a real furlough.. instead of ‘furlough days’.. ‘Just like the private sector..

    18. David Batson says:

      The reason is that government does not create anything. It can only destroy through the use of force. This is good when the police and military and court systems use force to destroy force, but that is the only time. Otherwise, it is a drain on the economy. And the bigger the government, the bigger the drain, the harder it is for the people in the private sector to take care of themselves.

    19. Dj says:

      State employees are paid through taxing private sector workers.

      The definition of a leech is: One that preys on or clings to another; a parasite.

      Without the taxpayer the state employees can’t survive. I think Leech is the ONLY proper term for government employees

    20. zenbuckaroo says:

      He pays into his pension and health insurance at a far far less rate than Private employees do. It is all smoke and mirrors that the taxpayers are finally awakening to.

    21. Oscarphone says:

      Me: The biggest (but not only) difference is retirement. Public employees get a “defined” retirement plan. That means they get whatever they can bargain (more on that later) not what they CONTRIBUTE to the plan. Same with retirement medical. For example, back east, a public worker had contributed a total of 60 thousand to his retirement and was slated to receive 1.5 million after he retired. That is 25 times more than he contributed to his retirement. Those kinds of number are unsustainable. People like me who don’t work for the government only get what we put into our retirement, plus earned interest of an average of 3%, and no more. THAT is how state employees are leeches. But how did it get this bad? Employee unions guarantee their considerable support and campaign cash contributions to politicians who bargain their wages and benefits. Is that right? Not by a long shot. In fact, if a private business did that sort of tit for tat, quid pro quo, they’d be in jail. But since it is government and they make the rules, not a chance.

    22. Larry says:

      Me, working conditions for state employees vary from state-to-state. Some -like your dad -are comparable to private sector pay and benefits, while others are outrageously generous. Federal government pay+benefits are double that for a private-sector employee who does the same work, and local public employee unions are driving cities, counties and states to the edge of bankruptcy.

    23. david d. says:

      public work is just a glorified type of welfare. redundant greedy morons!

    24. Pete says:

      Kim Greene: Do you know what a furlough day is in the private sector?? You might not get paid but you better get your butt to work or you will be fired.

      Right, that’s a violation of federal labor laws. If you can’t defend a point, resort to lies, right?

    25. Pete says:

      Well do some reading, here is a good place to start:

      http://www.pensiontsunami.com/

      Gov. Davis gifted prison guard unions 100% pay on retirement available as early as 52 to qualified government union employees. Recently a firefighter retired at age 52 in Orinda to a yearly retirement paycheck of $255,000.00 PLUS medical, dental and all the fixens. That is ridiculous and unsustainable. Davis was told at the time that would bankrupt the State and he tried to pass an increase in license fees. Davis was recalled over the fee, but the cancerous gift to government unions remained and has since been passed out to many other government unions.

      Ban government unions. There is no reason for them to exist other than as a funding mechanism of the Democratic Progressive Union Socialist Communist Party.

      1. john smith says:

        public sector police state, fascist only understand the hangman, the time is now.

    26. Jim Busse says:

      Your dad gets a tax free allotment to pay for his pension. His pension is guaranteed by the taxpayer. ERISA only applies to private firms who use it to eliminate retirement benefits for the private worker. Your dad is paid with taxpayer money so anything he does just reduces the tax he takes. He brings in not one penny to the state. He simply churns taxpayer money. When your dad retires at 55 with 100% or more pay he continues to get the benefits such as medical and dental at my expense. Very few private companies still do that. Your dad as a tate worker is part of the privleged class who needs not work but sucks the blood out of the taxpayer. He is a taxtaker. Maybe a necessary evil but evil nevertheless. His job could be outsourced for 25% of what he gets from the taxpayer now. If the state did that more people would come to california who could contribute. Right now they come for the welfare.

    27. carlb says:

      you live off of taxes and earn a greater percentage than private sector employees. as goverment employees you produce nothing. where as in a private sector you produce or you are gone as a company . a goverment employee pays 70% less in pension contributions than private sector employees. you also pay 60% less in health care and get better coverage. this is not paid by a consumer this is paid by tax dollars. so you produce nothing on other peoples money. a goverment does not make a profit yet contiues to take more and more to keep afloat. it is a giant ponzi scheme and we are at the tip of the pyramid. berney went to jail. we will have to continue to pay till it collapses. thank peopl like jerry brown. i am sure you voted for him. lol

    28. Soquel Creek says:

      “Me
      How are state employees leeches? My Dad pays into his pension and his health insurance just as he would in the private sector. He is having furlough days and many of his friends are being laid off. Its bad for everyone. Quit scapegoating state workers.”
      =======
      Responsible people in this debate aren’t scapegoating state workers. However, there were some dubious RETROACTIVE benefits provided by the Legislature with SB400, passed back in 1999 during the Dot-Com bubble. These benefits now appear completely unsustainable. So who gets to make up the pension difference? The taxpayers, of course.

      Pubic-sector pension reform alone will not fix California’s budget woes–but it is part of the overall budget solution.

      The California Legislative Analysts Office (LAO) has an excellent, thoughtful, and factual video presentation on California’s public-sector pension issues. You can find a link to the video, the transcript, and the presentation itself at the following link.
      http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/2011/02/california-legislative-analysts-office.html

    29. HOHN says:

      LOOK AT WHAT THOSE STATE WORKERS MAKE COMPARED TO EQUIV. PRIVATE SECTOR JOB…YOU SHOULD BE ASHAME FOR WHAT YOUR STATE WORKER FATHER DID TO THE WORKING CLASS CALIF

    30. Howard Ino says:

      His Union Dues go to political contributions… so Politicians will vote for inflated pensions and benefits. We as the payer (via taxes) have no say on the rates.

      In a free market, if unions push too hard, the company goes broke (Eastrern Airlines) In the public sector, politicians just keep raising our taxes with no penalty to them, other than campaign contributions and junkets!

      Your dad is probably a great man. It’s the system that is corrupt!

      If the shoe was on the other foot… I bet dad would agree!

    31. They aren’t leeches. They provide services just like any other private sector worker. Don’t worry. There are still people who know that your father paid into his pension. When I was a sub, 8% was taken out monthly for CALStrs. Most of the people talking smack about state workers don’t know what the hell they’re talking about.

    32. americandreamdyn says:

      There still “stealing” from the tax payers.
      How about paying for 100% of their retirement like the rest of us in the private sector? That’s the way the founding fathers formed our country to be. Thats freedom.
      What about “the government can’t give to one what it doesn’t take from another” dont you get?

    33. MikeinGrapevine says:

      All government workers are an expense. Only the private sector creates wealth through the sale of goods and services. The government manages the wealth and of late very poorly. I wouldn’t call your Dad a leach – just a worker whose job is an expense by those who create wealth.

      1. An “expense” that puts out the fire in your burning house and catches bad the guys. You need them as much as they need you.

      2. upyours says:

        Really?? And, how many houses have you burned down or how many times have the moron cops pulled a bad guy off you, a$$wipe?

      3. Once when I was mugged. Please don’t give me that cr#p that they aren’t necessary. When your house is ablaze, you know you’ll be begging for the guys with the firehoses. Your green garden hose isn’t going to cut it.

      4. upyours says:

        So you were mugged in front of a moron cop, dumba$$? Why is it you dumba$$es always say it will be my hose on fire?

      5. Is that all you got? Jesus, I won’t bother other than to say the relationship between the private and public sector is symbiotic.

      6. upyours says:

        Then, as is usual with with you, you have nothing to say. What did you “sub” as, janitor?

      7. Naah. I refuse to battle with someone only armed with ad hom attacks. A teacher, but nice cheap shot at janitors.

      8. upyours says:

        Yes, I did insult janitors thinking you could be one, more suited to be a mop, DUMBA$$.

      9. *yawn* When you have something intelligent to say, get back to me. Otherwise, good day, upyours.🙂

      10. upyours says:

        Says the DUMBA$$, who was “mugged.” Obviously, it left you brain dead and witless, moron. Then again, you could be reason as to why so many students are failing miserably. If you have an original thought, try letting the world know though I very much doubt your abilities to do so.

  6. Me says:

    Oh and just to add my dad lost his pension that he paid into for 35 years too. Just food for thought/

    1. Kim Greene says:

      Wow, now he must know how the unemployed people feel in this state ya think? There are 2 million people in this state without a job, and your Dad doesn’t have a pension:?? Sorry but my sympathy is with the 2 million people because they don’t have a job or a pension. Food for thought.

    2. Kim Greene says:

      and the day state employees are scapegoated is the day Jerry Brown actually cuts into the budget with some significance.

    3. upyours says:

      Tell me, jackas$, how does a public sector worker lose his pension?

      1. Pete says:

        Bankruptcy court like the City of Vallejo. Expect many more cities and local governments to line up at the bankruptcy court to be out from underneath these huge liabilities. That is part of the problem, big government representatives and government union representatives sit on the same side of the negotiation table with an empty seat across from them where the taxpayer representative should sit. It is a criminal enterprise that is now being exposed to a really PO public. It is even more disgusting as in many instances the big government representatives are themselves members of government unions and get the benefits.

    4. Mark Davis says:

      Now you are telling lies. you must be a gov. goon too.

    5. mom2j says:

      Hey Kim…by the way, the medical insurance my husband has as a state employee is 80/20 and we don’t have a $5 co-pay either. I just put $126 out for a CT scan…that was my portion….and then there’s the deductible…shall I go on?

      Not all state employees are getting the same ‘goodies’. Some state employees are not being stroked by the state, but instead are getting the shaft.

      1. LukeJohn says:

        You paid $126 for a CT scan???

        Geeze – I had to pay $198 for a simple blood test that my wife had – thanks to our “wonderful” private sector insurance that went up almost 30% this year.

        The other day I paid nearly $1,000 for an abdominal bloodflow ultrasound she had to have.

        And yes we have a deductible – Our s is $5,000 for in-network claims, what’s yours??

        And then there are co-pays too…

      2. mom2j says:

        Gee, LukeJohn…I don’t want to get into a p*ssing contest here on who pays out more for medical…I was simply making a point that some state employees have to pay 80/20, high premium costs, etc…my deductible is right up there near yours…and I don’t have co-pays…I pay 20% of the remaining balance of the bills…I just paid out $99.11 for a simple blood test…ya wanna keep going?

      3. LukeJohn says:

        No, mom I don’t want any urinary challenges, thank you – although I’d win hands down out here in the bad old private sector. Remamber also that even though the 80/20 you quote is very generous compared to what most of us get, even the “80” is paid from tax revenue – that is WE, the taxpayers in the private sector are paying that fro you.

    6. upyours says:

      I still want to know how a public sector worker lose his pension, dumba$$.

    7. david aims says:

      most state employees are leeches. but it depends on what they are doing. the non-essential things the government has decided it needs to do are basically parisitical activities. I mean look at the productivity of government workers. Very lacking, and very little incentive to improve. they dont have to because their pay check will just keep coming. ever try to fire a union person from a government job.. good luck… anyway my point is if its not an absolutely necessary function sorry but i agree about calling the leech comment.

      sorry your dad lost his pension, but that was a long time coming. the governers, city councels, etc knew they could make pension promises to the state workers, knowing that when these promises come due the pension system would fall apart and they would not be in office.

  7. Taxed Enough says:

    Notice how Brown is making small cuts as overtures. No substantive cuts, e.g. pension reform, illegal alien aid, wasteful spending. Yet, raising taxes are SUBSTANTIVE!!!

  8. Steve says:

    When they jammed these current tax increases through in 2009, we were told they were needed to balance the budget. 2 years and billions of dollars later what do they have to show for their effort. A 25 billion dollar deficit in the budget. They themselves have proven beyond a doubt that increasing taxes does not fix the problem. The time has come to “drastically” cut spending before any additional tax increases are asked for again. We did our part, now it’s time for the politicians to really get serious and do theirs.

  9. Musicman says:

    Brown do anything about meaningful budget cuts? He’s the governor who brought unions into our state government in the 70’s. They own him. The state legislature has been controlled by liberals for over 30 years. It’s not the “evil” republicans. He will do nothing except try to take more taxpayers money. Fools, you fell for it hook, line, and sinker…

  10. Dante says:

    Let me say this…Democrats are not too blame for this deficit. Georger W ran this country into the ground and now a new President is trying to clean up his mess. Republicans need to accept this and life will be better.

    Arnold was a Republican who ran this State into a huge deficit as well, and was not even qualified to run this State. Brown has experience is running this State and that is what we need. I do not agree on the tax increase and that he should tackle issues that have been strongly stated in everyone’s comments. We need better control and raising stuff is not going to do it. We pay the highest gas prices in the nation.

    The nation needs to come together and quit throwing punches at each other. Maybe the House and Senate need to stop getting a check for a few years and then they will see what the American people know as struggling. Homes are being taken from people because they cannot afford them anymore and all they do is sit. We all have valid points, but again accusation are not going to get the bottom line fixed. This country needs to take care it’s NATION before helping others. Get OUR people off the streets, get this job market moving, and handle the PEOPLE’s business!

    1. Musicman says:

      Dante, you haven’t a clue. Arnold was a RINO, or worse. Actually, he was a liberal wearing republicans clothing. Democrats have had control of the state legislature for over 30 years. A republican governor here is just a figurehead with a pen. He doesn’t make the laws, the legislature does. The injection of advancing socialism is what hurt us, and is continuing to hurt us, possibly fatally. You’re using move on dot org talking points. Doesn’t work anymore…

      1. Rebecca Christiansen says:

        Musicman, you are preaching to the choir, obviously Dante gets his paycheck from the state no doubt…

        Brown has no experience in governing this state because the rules changed completely when he unionized the state employees (can’t call them service employees as they do not provide service…imagine a whole network of employees where 3 people do the work of 1…and they have the nerve to complain about furlough days…in the private sector furlough days are work days..you just don’t get paid…)

        We all know socialism is going to be the deathknell of this state…just waiting for the dirge to start.

      2. Musicman says:

        LOL, amen Rebecca. I still like to stir things up, they can make such fools of themselves so easily. It’s a good laugh. In all honesty, I fear the day it does crash and all these elitist entitlement leeches are told it’s all over. this place is going to light up like a Roman candle. Greece and France, their riots more specifically, will look like kids playing on a playground compared to what I believe we’re in for. I pray I’m wrong but…

    2. drcldh says:

      Dante – “The nation needs to come together and quit throwing punches at each other.”

      LOL! Isn’t that exactly what you did in your first paragraph?

    3. Bert B says:

      Dante:

      So you are going to blame Bush when the problem began well before he took office…very obtuse of you. I will ask, what President created the largest debt and deficit this country has ever seen? (hint – not Bush) Also, please note that the federal budget deficit went down every year from 2001 to 2007, only to spike up when the Democrats took over Congress and the purse strings.

      This problem started when Gov. Brown 1.0 allowed public employees to unionize. It then exploded when Gov. Davis changed the pension calculation method to the current form and allowed city and county workers to join. They based the payout assumptions on 12% annual returns during the 1990s. (note, before Bush and Arnold) As that is unsustainable, we now have billions of dollars worth of shortfalls every year that taxpayers are REQUIRED to fund.

      Please note that this all happened with Democrats in charge of both chambers of state Congress. In case you have forgotten Civics 101, the Eexecutive cannot spend a dime without approval first from the Legislative Branch. I was no fan of Arnold, mainly because he was spineless in dealing with the Dems in Sacramento

      Brown knows who got him elected and will not acknowledge the beast that he helped create. Until the unholy alliance between public unions and the state government is destroyed, our state will continue to circle the drain.

      Just remember – the government does not make or create anything. For it to give to one person, it must first take it from another. This means that tax payers are responsible for the tax takers, so that is why they are leaving the state by the hundreds. Soon, all that will be left in this state are public union government workers and illegal aliens.

      The solution – If you cut ALL benefits to illegal aliens in the state, you would wipe out nearly $20 billion of the deficit. Amend pension payouts to 80% of the last 3 years of work without spikes and you have a $5 billion surplus. No new taxes needed and you might even be able to cut taxes and try to bring business back to the state.

    4. Jay says:

      The Bush budget deficits were getting smaller every year until the Dems took control of the House. The House writes the budget, not the President.

      Arnold was Governor but the budget process was controlled by the Democrats in California. Arnold tried using initiatives to pass budget reform but the Democrats voted him down, largely on a party line basis.

      Jerry Brown was the clown who signed the legislation to make public sector unions legal in California. He bears a large portion of the blame for this mess.

      If you want to fix the problems, you HAVE to address public sector unions, government defined benefits pensions and all the redundancy in services at the state, county and city level. Also, you must pass a version of Prop 187 to remove all the benefits being provided to illegals that are currently driving us into bankruptcy.

    5. Sean Smith says:

      psst….arnold didn’t cause the housing crash, which led to sharp revenue drop.

    6. The Old Doctor says:

      Amen and Amen.

  11. Onclewillie says:

    I would agree with Musicman except for all the lies. Private sector employees have fully funded retirement plans, matching savings retirement plans and yes, pay for insurance plans for their retirement. If Musicman is actually in the music business he has a very limited perspective on employment trends and benefits.

    One of the great things about government employment was you accepted a lower pay scale for better benefits including retirement. The public service unions skewed that perspective by negotiating higher wages while retaining the excellent benefits. The balance was lost on total compensation and needs to be restored. No question there. Scapegoating public service employees is mean-spirited and smacks of sour grapes because Musicman is jealous of public service workers.

    1. Musicman says:

      Onclewillie. Typical, you must resort to name calling and ridicule. Which private sector employees have fully funded retirement plans? The ones who PAY for it. The lucky few get matched by their employer. In retirement, they live off what THEY created in their retirement portfolio. NOT by receiving 80% of their last years salary at the expense of the taxpayer. State worker health care bennies are 90% funded by once again, the taxpayer. Yes, I was in the music business back in the 80’s and early 90’s, but have been in the building trades for 35 years. Did both for a decade. I am now a G.C. Have been for some time. You sir, are a union hack. Which local do you reside? Simply put sir, Americans, and more specifically California taxpayers are tired of your lies and manipulation of our government to get your entitlements at our expense. The private sector has taken a huge hit, the government sector must follow as well. Or are you too elitist to lower yourselves to “our” level…

      1. dari says:

        Hubby’s previous job before becoming a state employee had retirement plan where employer paid into it 100%…hubby did not contribute anything while he was there.

      2. Musicman says:

        dari, I’ll put money on it that that retirement plan does not exist anymore. Furthermore, your husbands not there anymore, so how’s that retirement going?

      3. dari says:

        “Musicman – dari, I’ll put money on it that that retirement plan does not exist anymore. Furthermore, your husbands not there anymore, so how’s that retirement going?”

        That retirement plan not only exists, but it’s doing just fine, thank you! Hubby took the plan with him when he changed jobs…I’d stick my tongue out at you, but you’d probably have something to say about that that you know nothing about!

      4. Mike says:

        @dari–your husband got one heck of a lucky break with that retirement plan. Saying that plans like that don’t exist isn’t correct, but saying they are the majority is also completely inaccurate. Almost no one in the private sector has a plan like that!

      5. dari says:

        “@Mike – @dari–your husband got one heck of a lucky break with that retirement plan. Saying that plans like that don’t exist isn’t correct, but saying they are the majority is also completely inaccurate. Almost no one in the private sector has a plan like that!”

        Thank you, Mike! That’s my point in my posts…not EVERY state employee gets the huge pensions, the perks, etc., and sometimes the private sector jobs have some pretty awesome perks. I’m amazed at how many ‘always’ and ‘never’ people there are here. There are some shades of gray in this whole debate.

        I do have one question though…not being politically savvy and just understanding the basics, didn’t we (the state of CA) have a surplus in the budget when Gray Davis was governor? And wasn’t he a democrat? What happened to all the money? And no, I’m not being a smart aleck…I’m really asking seriously…wasn’t he recalled because of the way he handled being governor?

        I worry about the impact the budget cuts will have on people who are disabled, the elderly, etc. I worry about the effects on education…and what happened to the lottery money? Doesn’t some of that go towards education?

        Anyone? Anyone?

    2. Rebecca Christiansen says:

      Scapegoating the protected class is mean-spirited? Oh please – then why doesn’t the protected class come up with all the tax dollars their puppet needs to balance his budget? Ain’t going to happen. And I would completely agree with sour grapes because I’m jealous of the public employees (I think its a misnomer to call them service workers, their work ethic is in the toilet). For heaven’s sake, I think we would all like to live off someone else and not really have to work a full day, week, month or year. But again, us folks in the private sector who have to deal with real life and don’t live off the backs of others…we have things called a conscience and a brain and hopefully both will be put into play when Brown forces the special election. Jeez Onclewillie the only cliche you didn’t spout was saying how this would hurt our kids’ education..

      1. ARNOLD says:

        PUBLIC SERVANTS, but they only serve themselves.

    3. Rebecca Christiansen says:

      oh and by the way, fully funded pensions went by the wayside over 20 years ago. Perhaps if you got your head out of that union rulebook, perhaps you’d know what its like to live in the real world…I mean you can live vicariously through me if you wish..

  12. RANDY COOLEY says:

    Here’s a good and present example of the bloated pigs @the troff.
    Rancho Cucamonga’s city administrator has worked for the city for only 6 years. He will retire within the next 2 month. He will be guarenteed $125,000.00 minimum, maybe more, but we will only know when he actually retires. Working for 6 years and getting @least $125,000.00 a year FOR 35 MORE YEARS!!!!! WAKE AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  13. RANDY COOLEY says:

    I meant WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  14. KLIENDERSTIEN. DK says:

    Greece’s economy burst because their goverment was paying 75% of its yearly revenue to fund public pensions. Does anyone know the percentage of California’s public pension’s that are being funded?…………66% The writting is on the wall people. The numbers don’t lie. Tax breaks and a freeze on all California State Goverment spending, along with public oversight are the keys to reining in the deficit. Only about 6 percent of Californian’s need any ofl the goverment funded programs that are draining this wonderful economy, the rest is going to public funded pensions and the illegals. Not only illegals from south of our border, but from any illegal from any other counrty.

    1. cali_bigdawg says:

      That’s a big lie. It was caused when goldman sachs convinced the conservative government to invest in derivatives market. Greece lost big-time an now they’re blaming the union for their bad deeds.

  15. franks says:

    Brown never actually answered the question about pension reform. Who knows what his “12 points” are? A business that is going broke will fire employees who were recently hired and shut down programs that are not self-sustaining. In this state, the only solution is to start by laying off every single state worker who was hired since we’ve been in the red, and shutting down every new state program within the same criteria. After that, pension reform, retirement age, and benefit packages must be aligned to match up with like private sector jobs. Then, if more cuts are necessary, cut EVERY state department by whatever percentage is necessary to balance this budget. The taxpayers in this state pay the highest rates in almost every category. Time to rein in the spending and live within our means.

    But since Brown is owned body and soul by unions, we can kiss my solutions goodbye.

  16. John says:

    Why people always blame the state employees to spend all the money..Did any one talk about those who receive the welfare and sit on their butts all day long?

    1. franks says:

      John,

      Although it galls me to pay to feed and care for children whose parents could no way afford them, we must. But you’re right. We must put to work every adult who takes assistance pay from the state. Maybe picking up trash along the roads would encourage many to get real jobs. And I also forgot prisons. We need to close every single one and turn over corrections to another state or private company.

    2. Jane says:

      That would be the state employees!

  17. fish wrap says:

    Stop funding illegal Mexicans and the problem will be solved.

    1. Musicman says:

      It will solve a huge portion, but it won’t get us all the way there. “Elitist” government workers contracts must be dealt with as well. Entitlements, taxes, fees, mandates, and regulations are fiscally suffocating us to death…

  18. ace says:

    For damb sake brown is a fool

    Step one for fixing the economy, understand that taxes are stupid
    If you rase taxes yes you will get money however you will be destroying the hard working middle class that needs the money because the ritch will not pay, and the poor have nothing to pay

    step two understand that Calfresh and other forms of welfare is beyond stupid
    Calfresh and any form of the state welfare system should be taken down and the money should be going to the state, the u.s has its own willfare system to use, so why do we need more welfare? when it is all the people that are hiding their money (yard workers, and house keepers) that hide money

    step 3 understand that we have illigals that need to go
    we are giving money to illigals, and their anchor babies by lunch programs, dental, and other forms of aid. This does also aply to the nonilligals that are on willfare. Get rid of the programs and save money because it is the parents responsibility to do that type of stuff for their children, not the state, but get rid of the anchor babies because they deserve nothing

    step 3 charge mexico or the u.s for housing illigals in jail
    this is explanitory we have illigals in jail chage the u.s or mexico for putting them in there

    step 4
    to save money quite with “beautifing the land” honistly we are waisting money on cities that just miss up the land as soon as it is created

    step 5 remove people that abuse the welfare system
    people are abusing it, find them and get rid of them, and do background checks on future aplicants for welfare , and charge those that are abusing the system

    step 6 reform the city workers pension
    have city workers go for 410ks, and other retirments that are not given by the state, lits face it they are not specal just lazy people. If we reform the pension system we will save thousands

    If we fallow these 6 steps then we should be back on top hopefully

    1. Sean in CA says:

      With you all the way! except for step 6. City / state / local government workers pay into their own pension already, it does not come “from the state” – it is funded by the workers from their paychecks as well as by contributions from the employer and from dividends from invested funds. In good times it is flush with money and “overfunded” – in hard times it projects out as “unsustainable” when it really isn’t.

  19. Dante says:

    Like I said earlier, folks have no clue!! People are posting their opinions, but think they are special or something. Musicman & Rebecca, I do not work for the State, but have my own business.

    It’s folks like you that must have a ton of money, that can care less about people and only about urselves. Musicman, you are probably single and cannot even find a girl to date, and Rebecca u are…whatever! This will all get worse before it gets better, so spend your money and keep talking! LOSERS!!

    1. Musicman says:

      LMAO! Oh come on now Dante. Can’t you do better than that? Dude, I’m 51, been married for 25 years, I have 5 kids and 3 grand kids. Trust me, I don’t need a “date”. It would just get me in trouble. As for having a ton of money? I’m in construction Dante, non union at that, we all know how the construction industry is doing right now, it’s tough. But indeed, I am smart enough to save my money. And you’re right, it will get worse before it gets better. And that won’t happen until the socialists in our government are given the boot up their arses on the way out the door. Losers you say? Dude, I’m not the one who claims to have my own business, then turn around and complain about people having money. How’s that business profiting for ya Dante? Not doing so well huh? Losers you say? Look in the mirror…

      1. Doug Clement says:

        what 50 year old guy uses the word “dude”

        LOL….

  20. Greg says:

    Jerry Brown is not familiar with the 10th amendment???

  21. tim says:

    Jerry and the gang in Sacremento have always had a quid pro quo deal with the unions. The unions will tell their people to vote for the Democrats as long as they keep raising their pensions. Sweetheart deal for unions members, but, alas for Californians, it sucks. Probably 50% of what California takes in will go to pay union pensions. Heck, Jerry just raised the salary for prison guards! Why are we paying them over $100,00 a year? Jerry has never said that he will make a law to balance the budget, so why should we vote to pay off the debt.
    Without safe guards it is fairly likely that this same scenarios will happen agail.

  22. abc says:

    brown will never cut his union ass-partners ridiculously large pensions. it would save california 75 billion if he did.

  23. ES says:

    Great posts. I guess everyone agrees that no one is willing to provide Jerry Brown with any more funds until he finally makes a significant Pension reform. JB just doesn’t get it.

  24. M says:

    Stop crying, quit your private sector job and become a public servant.

    Amazing that the public sector never argued that it was unfair that private sector employee’s were making three times their salary when times were good. These are the same people who turn their head and laugh at public service, saying I would NEVER be a “COP, FIREMAN ETC”.

    Now times are tough and the private sector employee’s aren’t doing well. So let’s blame the public sector for all our problems. BS….

    Maybe your companies need to look in the mirror and look a your business practices. If you weren’t prepared for the tough road ahead, then shame on you…..

    1. asfd says:

      ya only doing good or bad the private sector doesn’t get paid with my tax money (unless some dumbarsed liberal wants to bail out a bank or mortgage company to cover their crooked tracks.

    2. StaticKlingon says:

      I don’t know that it’s so much blame as recognizing that a private sector employee is hard-pressed to pay for his own AND yours as times get tougher. It’s not a matter of tweaking business practices. It’s a matter of survival. You’ll get the picture when the riots begin.

  25. LibsAreCommies says:

    What we need is a regime change in Washington brought by a military coup.

    1. The Old Doctor says:

      You think American troops won’t fire on civilians? Remember Kent State😉

  26. gerry says:

    A long time ago I predicted this country will experience a new civil war, before World War 3. Looks like my prediction will come true.

  27. James adams says:

    We are facing what I would call a ‘regime crisis.’ The legitimacy of our very democratic institutions are in question,” he said.

    Start by looking at Obamas SSN and birth certificate.

  28. stumpCHUNKMAN says:

    I love when politicians who come to power riding the coat tails of division and political bickering, scold us for being divided and bickering politically.

    1. StaticKlingon says:

      Yeah, it’s worked for them so far, but there is that thing about living by the sword and dying by the sword that can come into play. The one law they can’t repeal: what goes around comes around. Never fails.

  29. George says:

    Republicans say no because they are not dumb. They know that all you want to do is keep raising taxes without meaningful spending reform so why would they even start negotiations about raising taxes. Governor, first show us you mean it when you say you want lower spending and pension reform and then you might get a tax rise. Until you show something, don’t expect your opponents to give in on a thing.

  30. Phil says:

    This is the second thing I’ve read today where they make a parallel between the civil war and today’s political mood. Looks like we found out what the Democrats’ political strategy is going to be for 2012 elections. “The Republicans want to start a civil war!” Keep an eye out… you’ll be hearing “civil war” come out of a lot of Democrat’s mouths in the months ahead. Mark my words.

    1. Phil says:

      yep. That’s the one

  31. Hank Warren says:

    Repubs and Dems are divided on all issue except both parties support endless Wars for Israel, it all started nearly a decade ago under a false flag attack.
    9/11 and Israel, here:
    http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000190526

  32. pompey says:

    ….it warms my heart to see Sodom and Gomorrah in grid lock…..

  33. J.V. says:

    California = Heaven for state government union workers and all those state workers & officials who have retired., which puts the rest of Californian in effect their Financial & Tax slaves. BK the state re-write & change all past, current, and future state-employee retirement plans – these fat-a@@ jerks put us in this mess and they are the ones who should pay.

    1. ES says:

      They retire @ 50 and migrate to other states where the cost of living is much less.

  34. TIM says:

    A divorce tax ……..$50,000.00 per couple should do it .

  35. Reality Check says:

    Individual posting under the screen name “Me” wrote:

    “How are state employees leeches? My Dad pays into his pension and his health insurance”

    Very carefully worded statement, that was. This is just like saying “ILLEGAL ALIENS” are entitled to government payments for free health care, free housing and free food just because they, the ALIENS, paid “SOME” taxes.

    “Paying INTO” something, is not the same as paying FOR something. Tax Payers are forced to pay for government employees pensions and benefits, Private companies only do so for some employees and private companies always do so voluntarily.

    Private employees, on average, receive only a small fractions, of the benefits received by government employees. Many private employees pay more into the retirement plans of government employees than they and their private employers together pay into the private worker’s own retirement plan.

    Sort of looks like there may be a reason the private workers and government workers have different views on excessive benefits for government employees.

  36. libysnow says:

    Brown’s plan was to tax everybody, spend on the Unions, and be declared a hero. When that doesn’t work out – he has nothing.

  37. Ima Citizen says:

    Brown said: ’ The legitimacy of our very democratic institutions are in question,” he said.

    Yup, this has occurred. And one reason is that these corrupt insitutions have invited illegal aliens to invade our state and country driving us inevitably to the low standard of living and high crime rates characteristic of their homelands in Mexico and Central America.

    1. Reality Check says:

      But look at the good side of those events.

      Governor Brown, and Democrats, can count on illegal aliens, government employees, and suckers who really believe the government is going to help them. These folks will just keep voting for Brown and the Democrats right up until the whole system collapses.

      Which brings us back to Governor Brown talking about civil war. Governor Brown is laying the ground work for shooting the homeless and private workers in the street when they start protesting.

      Of course such shootings will be in defense of the those government institutions of democracy such as vote rigging and illegal aliens illegally voting that the Democrats are so proud of.

  38. Sydney Carton says:

    sydney carton

    How did California grow exponentially from 1850 to 1970 without so many state, county, city, and special district (schools, water etc.) employees? Government-supplied services are lower in quality and cost more than private sector-supplied services. Axe all you can, and let them work like the rest of us.

  39. Chet says:

    Here we go again… It’s those mean ol’ cops and firemen that are wrecking our budget!!!

    What about the non-tax paying illegal aliens, food stamp and welfare bums who are wrecking our economy?? Remember them?? Oh, that’s right we can’t talk about the Democrat voters that way!

  40. Tom says:

    Great…..When Do We Start? We Should Just Storm The White House And Remove All The Fraud’s In There By Force. We Need To Take Back Our Country From The Kenyan In Cheif. How Did He Sneak In There In The First Place?

  41. Brian says:

    I thought Barack and Jerry Brown types were going to unite the country? What happened? I thought it was the Republicans fault for how divided we are.

  42. chrisfrmchi says:

    Civil War?
    Does he know the democrat party’s track record for winning a civil war?

  43. Nurse Snow says:

    Civil War? Appropriate analogy. Because as a productive tax payer, I am becoming part of the “slave” class in this country.

  44. Wes says:

    When he’s right, he’s right.
    Welcome to “Hope & Change”
    Obama is a horrible leader. This country bought a lemon. Return to dealer, via 2012.

  45. Peter Courtenay Stephens says:

    I have sadi andposted foryears the the Nation is in a Cold Civil War and I believe it will become a hot civill war when the fedes default on the debt whixch they will.

    Sic semper Tyrannis!

    1. StaticKlingon says:

      I have been thinking of this in terms of the Cold War analogy for some time now. All we need is some fat ass commie apparachik banging his shoe on his desk to complete the picture.

  46. DUGinFLA says:

    Apparently, he was a bit to stoned to remember the 60’s.

  47. Bob D. says:

    What a joke!!
    California annually spends billions more than its revenues. Everyone knows exactly where every dime is spent. Somehow you lefties can’t bring yourself to stop the freebies to the state workers. If you paid 120k over 20 years toward your pension you should have 120k as your pension. Why do you deserve more?? And where do you lefties expect this ‘more’ to come from. Exactly who should be paying for your retirement?? I save toward my own retirement. I don’t ask my fellow citizens to pay anything for me. The state workers get every single dime from their fellow citizens, want more, and complain when asked to self contribute. You should ask every individual you see today if they would be willing to pay more CA state taxes so you can have your retirement. Not even the lefties would say yes.
    Is there anything else I can pay for you lefties today?? Sooooo weak!!!

  48. waicool says:

    The journ-o-lists must have conjured up this new civil war “meme”. You can see it introduced into the extreme main stream media “news” narrative all of a sudden (not just Jerry Brown). Fact is, the democrats during the civil war were the party of slavery. It took the first republican, Abraham Lincoln, to abolish slavery. You won’t hear that fact promoted by the lefties, they have repeated the racist lie long enough and have the populace believing the right is responsible for slavery. Enough bs already, time for real change. Let’s get these lefty extremists out of public office so the USA can implement some conservative values and start the healing process.

  49. Chet says:

    Notice the clever shift from illegals, welfare and food stamps bums sucking our economy to cops and firemen sucking it up???

    Deport, cut the freebies, seal the boarder, then fast track to TAX PAYING immigrant worker program!!!

  50. PO'D IN NC says:

    And I’m not bailing you idiots out!! I can’t believe you guys put in a typical politician in office when you need someone who knows how to create something from nothing! You a-holes get what u deserve!

  51. Don T. says:

    “The legitimacy of our very democratic institutions are in question,” he said. Uh … the Constitution of the United States guarantees a REPUBLICAN form of Government to each State. Why do pols always refer to “democratic institutions” and not “republican institutions?” You won’t see the word “democracy” ANYWHERE in the US Constitution. But check out Article IV, where it does say, “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, . . ” This is the problem with people like Jerry Brown — he doesn’t even understand the construct of the system within he operates … or he does and prefers something different than the way it is and he’s trying to change it without changing the Constitution itself. Either way, people like him are a PROBLEM for the real America.

  52. Lilith says:

    Poor, poor Californians – you got who you voted for. My heart bleeds!

  53. Tim says:

    All thanks to Obama the uniter. Quite a good job for a bake sale coordinator, don’t ya think. Why don’t you just vote for him again, he’ll have at least part of this “leadership” thing figured out by the end of 8 years, I think.

  54. Mr. Obvious says:

    Yep. Sounds like a civil war is coming just by reading the comments on this board.

  55. JJ says:

    Hard to spread socialism in America. Now all of you can spend the next 50 postings on telling my why you’re not a socialist and how I don’t even know what it is…

  56. phillysmart says:

    Its dividede because we have a polarizing and divisive President and democrats with a socialist agenda…the American people do not want that type of government..yes that includes Californoia

  57. Contractor Joe says:

    yep, Jerry

    Times they are a changing.

  58. Reality Check says:

    The next step for the Liberals running California is to seize the assets of those rich people who have not yet left the state.

    That will prop up the government employee unions and the illegal alien benefit programs for another year or two.

    Then it will be time for the “death panels” to kill off those older folks drawing food stamps, Medicaid and housing subsidies after Governor brown seized all their assets they were using to pay their own way.

    Hyper Inflation, or asset seizure. One way or the other assets folks worked a lifetime for are going to disappear.

  59. phillysmart says:

    Socialism doesn’t work…the people realize it why doesn’t the Democrats

  60. Jack says:

    “The governor tells Dave he believes the country hasn’t been this divided since the Civil War.”

    What can you expect when 47% of the people pay no taxes. They will always be against spending cuts and for tax increases because they BENEFIT from taxes paid by the other 53%

  61. JIm says:

    DEMS WERE SUPPOSED TO BRING CHANGE!!! BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT CHANGE MEANT MORE DEFICITS MORE DEBT MORE DESTRUCTION OF THE US DOLLAR, MORE BENEFITS FOR THE UNIONS (who fund the democratic party) MORE CORRUPTION: CHARLIE RANGLE, TIM GEITHNER, AND THE REST OF THE TAX CHEATS! OBAMA-CARE: that nobody wants including unions that are getting exempted from it every day) AND NOW JERRY BROWN: whats his solution MORE TAXES!!! WE NEED SPENDING CUTS NOT TAXES!! do you get it?

    THE DIVISION WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZER IN CHIEF AND THE LUNATIC LEFT!!!

  62. BillyBob117 says:

    I am still laughing at the state of CA.

  63. gloria says:

    I thought we were pretty divided during bush 43’s presidency. Not a day went without expressions of hate and those wishing him to die.

  64. Reality Check says:

    Governor Moon Beam is talking a civil war.

    So why, exactly, is appropriate for the Democratic governor of California to use violent war analogies when talking about those people who have political differences of opinion with him.

  65. Michael Feldman says:

    The country is NOT that divided, the liberal leadership is just belligerent. In fact the country is UNITED against the current spending model.

  66. phillysmart says:

    The Democrats have become a failed party…its time to vote them all out…every election …its the only way to get our government working for most of the people

  67. commonsense58 says:

    Brown continues to allow unions to “FEED OFF” of taxpayer money. this cannot, should not and will not continue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    1. StaticKlingon says:

      Oh, it will continue till the money is completely gone, and no longer able to borrow. Just have to hang in till then. Lots of luck…you’ll need it.

  68. Jim says:

    JB: They have to say that to give cover to their position, which is ‘No’. Their position is ‘No, we’re not going to help you. We’re not going to do anything. Well, that’s unacceptable. I did propose 12 points of pension reform.

    JERRY AT LEAST BE CREATIVE, you cant start using Obama’s lame excuses, when like Obama you have full control of Sacramento: YOU KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND YOU KNOW THAT, DOING SO WOULD PUT YOUR FRIENDS – STATE EMPLOYEES – AGAINST YOU! and that is the truth, we all know it and you know it and you know that we know it. So do not play fool with the people!

  69. LarryOldtimer says:

    Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown is the person who forced CA state employees into collective bargaining, against the wishes of state employees at the time. At the tyime, we state employees received about the same pay and benefits as did the private sector, everything considered, and were quite happy with the annual salary/benefit studies being conducted by the State Personnel Board.

    At the time of Brown’s election to CA governor, the State of CA enjoyed a great economy.

    So who in their right minds would ever hire back the person most responsible for destroying the fine economy CA once had? Only imbicles, is who.

    Politicians can’t seem to get it through their heads that increased RATES of taxation always result in lower AMOUNTS of taxes actually collected by the government.

    Any legislation “on the books” requires government employees to administer said legislation. If it is a smaller and more useful government that is wanted, then stop passing new laws, and begin delegislating existing costly-to-administer useless and indeed contraproductive antibusiness old legislation. The more required-by-government forms and paperwork businesses have to fill out and file, the fewer productive employees businesses will employ.

  70. kentex1146 says:

    What comes to your mind when you hear the terms, ‘government worker’ or ‘union member’?

    Really? That’s the same for me!

  71. daveinboca says:

    Jerry Brown is a whining failure. He is totally unable to lead or get anything done by jawboning Demonrat unions, so this moral leper and cowardly loser blames the GOP. Par for this flubber’s course.

  72. jeffk says:

    Lets start by cutting the pensions of the senators and representatives. While we are at it lets force them to use Obamacare since they have exempted themselves.

  73. BATES says:

    PEOPLE WE MUST RISE UP TO THE MISTAKES OUR POLITIANS MAKE FOR
    THE GOOD OF THIS COUNTRY. I DO THINK THAT PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES
    OF THE ISLE KNOW THAT THE COUNTRY IS HEADED IN THE WRONG
    DIRECTION. WE HAVE NO TIME LEFT , THE CHANGE HAS TO BE KNOW.

    THANK YOU
    BATES

  74. Mark Matis says:

    Ya think? Hate to tell ya, Jerry, but there WILL be civil war in the near future. It is very clear that the government is absolutely unwilling to return to back within its Constitutional limits. Enough is enough.

    Are YOU ready?

    1. ByteRider says:

      Two things I suggest to add to the constitution [amendments] that will help keep our woes from helping again:

      1. The right of all governors in good standing to vote no confidence of a president with a 2/3 majority. This will mean the President is fired. Period.

      Many countries have this capability, we should to. Getting rid of a sitting president is as hard, if not harder, than getting rid of a dictator. This should not be.

      2. The congress shall balance the budget. If no budget is made by a specific date, the previous budget shall be used with a 10% cut.

      That’ll chap their arses.

      1. Mark Matis says:

        Why would you think that the government would honor THOSE amendments any more than they honor the ones that are ALREADY in there?

  75. Denny says:

    I haven’t seen any meaningful effor to get a handle on CA’s problems by any other means but taxation. He want’s taxes extended/increased for a period of 5 yrs, but only wants to cut spending for two.

    We need 3 for 1 cuts to taxes for the entire 5 yr period….that would be an honest effort to actually attack the problem, not just pass it along. This flim flam way of running the gov’t has caused many of those paying the most taxes to leave the state…in the end, who’ll be left to pick up the tab, the illegals?

  76. ByteRider says:

    Gerald Celente predicted a civil war over taxes and the economy about 3 years ago.

    I believe him. In fact, I’ve already got myself stocked up with guns and ammo. Bring it on, Libs… come get a taste.

  77. JBP1998 says:

    A country divided?? Really? Gee….I wonder why? When you allow millions of people to INVADE this country and force their language and violent culture down the throats of decent, hard working, tax paying AMERICANS and try to label that invasion as “immigration” you’re bound to have some division. There is a group of people and organizations trying to form a “scab nation” within OUR nation and it is causing this division! These “illegitimate” groups are actually being recognized as legitimate. In other words, you have a “Latino nation” trying to form and overthrow a nation of AMERICANS! Now days you’re either a Latino in the USA or an AMERiCAN. They don’t want to be Americans, they refuse to assimilate and are forcing the rest of the races that make up this nation to assimilate to them! The LATINO invasion of the USA is RACISM being allowed to run amok in the USA! They are allowed to commit fraud against the American people and this government on a daily basis and get away with it! It is time to enforce immigration laws in this country!! Stop the invasion and occupation of the USA by Latin America! Stop FORCING US taxpayers to subsidized the living expenses of illegal aliens residing in this country without OUR permission!

  78. HeyHey says:

    At the end of the day you have to take from one to give to another and that is not American

  79. Daniel Buciak says:

    Yeah… but the divide is between citizens and marxist politicians. The great divide.

  80. phillysmart says:

    The Democrats have been robbing the tax payers for years…unions…501c3’s like acorn and planned parenthood, PBS…the Republicans are finally looking out for the average working person and calling them on their stealing…the Country’s not dividede and overwhelming majority want to cut the waste and unecessary spending…the leeches are stomping their feet ….get rid of the Democrats they are stealing from the tax payer

  81. thinkaboutit says:

    And the Democrats were on the wrong side of history then as well.

  82. Harold The Barrel says:

    What does he expect? Seems like half the population is employed by the government to some extent or another, and the other half is sick of paying for the excesses and waste.

    Forget about rich and poor and who pays what taxes for a moment.

    The government spends and spends like a drunken sailor with intravenous Viagra on shore leave in a red light district, and when the bills come due, they want the taxpayers to step up and foot the bill. Again. And again. And yet again.

    NO! ENOUGH! We WANT the government to go bankrupt so we can finally rebuild it from the ground up.

  83. brad says:

    Californians deserves the government they elected. You elected a career politician who only knows living on the public dole instead of a seasoned business entrepreneur and leader. You failed because you believe the ‘green’ hoax and are killing the established petroleum industry in California. Public unions should only be law enforcement and fireman but not teachers, accountants, IT and other office workers. If Brown does not follow the same agenda of New Jersey and Wisconsin, California will be the first state to declare bankruptcy and the fault belongs to all California citizens.

  84. John Haverty says:

    Jerry, the civil war was fought by two sides that wanted a country to love. They loved their country. Either side. You rat vermin progressive people are hateful of the USA. You hate the USA, and are the enemies of freedom, liberty, truth, constitution and country.

  85. JMWinPR says:

    Public Sector and no Social Security? Well bless my soul. Why don’t you get SS?
    I wonder why a public employee or a congress person would do such a thing? Could it be congress people know it’s a rip off??? Could your union have bought/ negotiated your way out of that Ponzi scheme?
    I’m certain that most Public Sector people are hard workers, however most of the duties you perform are a waste of time. Look at the ratio of supervisors to workers, much higher than the private sector. Much of the work you do is nothing more than permit filing to justify a salary. Here in PR you must go to 6 different locations to get a permit to open a non food or beverage business. Add 4 if you have food tobacco or alcohol. Some of the forms require a 2 or 4 dollar stamp. None of which can be done on line.
    Can you tell me what useful purpose does any state DMV do other than raise revenue for the state?
    Has anyone in one of the emission controlled states ever seen a vehicle with smoke poring from the exhaust, bald tires and few, if any working lights? Of what use is the inspection. Look at the E911 system and what that has done to your tax rate. Fifteen years ago it was 25 cents or so per telephone line per month. Look at what it is today. Where does that money go? I would guess that most people here could add several more alphabets to my examples.
    I’ve had to lay people off, fire them and let people go, the worst part of employers job, I’ve also been on the receiving end of same. That isn’t pleasant either. The real problem though is not the public sector but public safety, Police and Fire. Most of the measures being proposed exempt these two groups. And they are most of the problem. They have the most powerful unions, highest pay and most time off. Before real reform can occur, these two groups will have to brought in line. Teachers are also a concern, but as long as you rotate them out before they are tenured, they can be managed with proper supervision at the district level.
    As for Jerry’s comments concerning divided. Listen to anyone babbling long enough and they will probably say something you find in common. My above post is an example.

  86. ConservativeCase says:

    He is right on one thing, the country is horribly divided. I don’t want to live in a country that is moving toward a social dictatorship. Liberals don’t want to live in a country that they perceive as being influence by religious, conservative nut jobs.

    Since dividing the country really doesn’t work, what is the alternative? I fear for our future.

  87. commentarycat says:

    Will California ever come around. Chances are no. The Democratic party has done a masterful job at absolutely destroying Detroit; Now after some flim flam we are seeing the fruits of their labor in California.

  88. phillysmart says:

    At the end of the day if it takes a civil war to have the government work for the people again than so be it…right now it is ignoring what the citezenry wants and dictating…that seems to be the democrat model and Americans are rejecting it

  89. roy says:

    Merely scapegoating the little guys while the TRILLION POUND gorilla is in the room. This is nothing more than the result of fraudulent derivatives that most governments, national and local, fell for. Be like Iceland and tell the banks to pay their own debt!. They are using this to divide us while the MEGA rich sit by and laugh while average Americans fight each other for peanuts. Wake up!

    1. Curious says:

      You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you? Do you even know what a derivative is?

  90. Dan says:

    Governor Moon Beam, just do it and be done with it. We all will have to suffer some or it will get worse.

  91. Mike says:

    Actually, an all out civil war sounds like a good idea to me. Wall Street, the entire Northeast, big cities like Chicago and Los Angeles, are nothing more than criminal enclaves and most of us are sick of them and their politics. The Northeast deserves to be bilked by Wall Street and the corrupt gasbags in Washington D.C. We don’t. We didn’t want them to be bailed out to begin with. Likewise, California has chosen to be invaded by Mexican parasites and has one nothing about that invasion except allow it to spill over onto the rest of us. As far I am concerned, Illinois, California, and the Northeast should go form their own country and leave the rest of us out of their suicidal fantasies.

  92. Matt says:

    It’s the illegals stupid! Wake up and save! Unfortunately this “state” is more likely to be seceded to Mexico rather than fixed. Oh well.

  93. BFDeal says:

    The Libs in Ca. have gotten what they want..A moron for a Governor, and Insolvency. Don’t expect the rest of us to bail you out. Take your unions and your bureaucrats and swallow hard!

  94. Harold The Barrel says:

    “The next step for the Liberals running California is to seize the assets of those rich people who have not yet left the state.That will prop up the government employee unions and the illegal alien benefit programs for another year or two.”

    Pfft! Try a *week* or two.

    The class warfare “tax the rich” ideologues would fail a first grade math test. “Rich people” don’t have giant safes like Uncle Scrooge full of money that no one else can touch. Bill Gates making a dollar doesn’t not prevent any of you from making another dollar, or even same dollar because all a wealthy person is is someone who controls a lot of assets. One of those assets might be the company that employs you. Their dollars pass through your hands as well. It’s all mixed together. Wealth can be created or destroyed. The total amount of wealth is NOT a constant number.

    But the panty-wetting, crybaby ideologues don’t care about the truth. And, yeah, I mean both side. The GOP is a pack of morons, too.

  95. Manditory says:

    One word. Mexico. We can’t give a quarter of Mexicans free health care. Grow up people. Stop with the bleeding heart, already, before we exsanguinate. Close the border, governor, and send them home. We’ll be back on budget in no time.l

  96. CA_is_sinking_under_illegal_immigrants says:

    California’s Big Pink Elephant = ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS…

  97. Dave says:

    Do like Truman and Eisenhower did…..shilp thousands of illegals back across the border where they belong and billions will be saved! But politicians don’t have the nads to do that now because it will cost them the votes. Can’t have it both ways children!

  98. Simontacchi says:

    LMAO Civil War? Bring it on! If I could remember one single time that I had a Professional and Competent experience with a Civil Servant I would feel differently, but I can’t. Every time I deal with a Snarky Civil Servant I am reminded of what a bunch of lazy losers work for my Tax Dollars, it is just a Jobs Program for otherwise Welfare cases. It would be very short War, I am sure they would fight as poorly as they perform their jobs, bring it on!!!!!

  99. Lou says:

    Ahhhhh the Ol’ Ponzi scheme once again rears it’s ugly head..the liberals started it and the Unions perfected it….Good job running for GUVnerrrr there MR Moonbeamerooo. go get em Tiger..it’s your baby..now feed it yourself!!!

  100. Poison Ivy says:

    Mike, you’re right -think about this: Who dominates Wall St., Wash DC and the Limpstream Media?
    The White, Wealthy, Priviledged, Liberal Elitists from the f***ing Ivy League
    The Ivy League is POISON for the rest of America!!!
    Who was the Last President NOT to GRADUATE from Freakin’ Yale F***ing Law School!? the Great Ronald Reagan, who, of course, was villified as a clown and buffooon -WHY? Because he did not graduate from the f***ing POISON IVY LEAGUE!!!! If this type of govwerning continues, I GUARATEE there will be a Second Civil War, THAT IS HUMAN HISTORY!

    1. Dave says:

      Actually, it’s worse than that. We need a President who’s not a LAWYER! Obama and his circle are all Ivy-league lawyers. Drown them all and start over with businessmen, engineers and entrepreneurs.

  101. David Batson says:

    I think you are right, Kim. And I did not think of it until I read it here. I am a Californian gone Galt from the state. It would be nice to come back, but not as it is. Maybe a nice big bankruptcy is what is needed to refocus people on what is important. capitalism.org

  102. JStrange says:

    Search for: “The Beholden State” by STEVEN MALANGA this article is the go to source for what happened in CA.

    Explains and OUTS all the corruption of the Union hogs who’ve ruined our state.

    Don’t listen to Gov. Moonbeam, Ahhnold couldn’t get a single thing done with the Democrat dominated Legislature – one failure after the next, Brown will be no different.

  103. Dave says:

    Governor Moonbeam needs to look in the mirror when he’s searching for the source of overspending.

  104. upyours says:

    The only thing As$head Brown has done since entering office is take public safety unions up his A$$.

    Who is the pu$$y who had this deleted?

  105. rpupkin says:

    uh-oh. the Drudge loonies are here.

    1. MT says:

      Oh, that’s correct, the left wants NO debate. “SIt down, shut up”, just like Jim Moran (D) told the 27 year old Veteran in a townhall when he nicely inquired why the troops won’t be paid. It’s on YouTube, Go see how democrats really feel about our military.

    2. MDWhite says:

      uh-oh. The dem bobble-head sycophants are loose!

  106. joe says:

    How is a state employee a leech? They work the same way everyone else does. This is why I left the republican party, people like you demonize all public workers as if they aren’t “real” workers.

    1. Oscarphone says:

      Oscarphone

      Me: The biggest (but not only) difference is retirement. Public employees get a “defined” retirement plan. That means they get whatever they can bargain (more on that later) not what they CONTRIBUTE to the plan. Same with retirement medical. For example, back east, a public worker had contributed a total of 60 thousand to his retirement and was slated to receive 1.5 million after he retired. That is 25 times more than he contributed to his retirement. Those kinds of number are unsustainable. People like me who don’t work for the government only get what we put into our retirement, plus earned interest of an average of 3%, and no more. THAT is how state employees are leeches. But how did it get this bad? Employee unions guarantee their considerable support and campaign cash contributions to politicians who bargain their wages and benefits. Is that right? Not by a long shot. In fact, if a private business did that sort of tit for tat, quid pro quo, they’d be in jail. But since it is government and they make the rules, not a chance. Make public worker retirement only what they actually contribute. That’s fair.

      1. LukeJohn says:

        Oscar – how do you manage to get 3% :o) My retirement plan is still in the negative – I would have done better had I stuck the money under the mattress (or gone and worked for the “gubment”)

    2. marrabella says:

      Joe, Joe, Joe ….. Think. private sector employees produce goods and services that can be sold on the open market and actually turn a profit. (and can thus be taxed to pay your salary).
      Government employees do not produce anything that can manufactured or taxed……
      Get it.
      That’s why you are leeches.

      1. Yeah damn those public sector nurses and doctors, defense attorneys, etc. Not like you need them or anything. They’re not leeches. The relationship is symbiotic dear.

      2. J Orion Wood says:

        These people are insane. I actually know one who wasted their time going to college because they wanted to create a sustainable business. They wanted to be a middle man between organic and vegan food producers and stores. They only wanted to do business with stores that were independent and not franchises. They had to get a job within a month! Must be very nice to think that you can emulate your life off of movie characters. Unfortunately there is the real world.

        There is a reason that our country is in 14 trillion dollars debt, our education system is in the toilet and the people are more miserable and hateful than ever before. It is a ten letter word that starts with an L and ends with an M…and has been there plan since the beginning. These “people” would know that if they were to quit getting high and living their lives like Springer guests and open up their minds enough to realize that they are just useful idiots for various vermin of the years such as Cloward, Piven, Alinsky, Cesar Chavez, Soros and Ayers. At least they will have their “free” health care in just a few years.

  107. Dee says:

    and as long as obama is at the helm, the country will continue to be divided, as that is the goal barack has in his mind, to pit one race against another. Clearly evident in the Illegal over population hitting this country , and he sits and does nothing..Now his new target is the muslim community… with barack in charge, This country will not be at peace again.

  108. JoeThePatriot says:

    I just want to reiterate one thing. There are TWO DIFFERENT types of State Employees. There are salaried State Employees who suffer under pay and hiring freezes, layoffs, pay cuts, and increases in the amount they pay for pensions and benefits the same as any private sector employee does. Its the greedy UNION STATE EMPLOYEES that are breaking the states. It is those greedy UNION STATE EMPLOYEES who pay nothing for their benefits, nothing for their pensions, get to retire with full pensions at 50, and can never be fired or laid off or they protest like little babies. Make sure you note the difference. Until Brown and any other state governor grows a set like they did in Wisconsin, nothing is going to change.

  109. MDWhite says:

    Interesting that Brown would invoke the Civil War seeing as his Democratic Party backed slavery, secession and the complete dissolution of the Union.

  110. regis49 says:

    And the best way to reunite the country is for everyone to come over to your way of thinking. Right, Jerry? Righttttttt.

  111. sweeper2010 says:

    Conservatives have seen this so-called great divide coming since the sixties…… coupled with Roe v Wade. The division Brown talks about can’t be avoided. Unlike the Feds….( who can “print money”)…Governors can’t print money…they are duty-bound to balance their budgets. Gerry?…..aren’t you glad you won!

  112. RM Edaps says:

    California, you get what you deserve. For decades you keep voting in liberal/progressive/socialists who have ruined this once great state and who will never have enough of your money.

  113. Jay T says:

    Look… California wake up u add the public union sector and the illegal sector together and you get bankruptcy…. it’s a fact just too many are afraid to say….. we do need regime change in Sacramento and that is ridding us of social financial ills that actually hold us all back…. we have run out of other peoples monies….

  114. R L GBACH says:

    I AM A STATE LEACH THAT QUIT THE PRIVATE SECTOR IN 1999 BECUASE I WANTED THE BENNIFITS AND RETIREMENT. I ALSO TOOK A 50% CUT IN PAY TO GET THESE “BENNY’S” I STILL DONT MAKE AS MUCH AS I DID WHEN I LEFT IN 1999. I CHOOSE MY :LEACH” JOB AT A 50% CUT IN PAY FOR THE BENNY’S AND NOW EVERYONE WANTS TO CUT ME OUT. WHY WASNT ANYONE SO CONCERNED WHEN I TOOK THE PAY CUT 11 YEARS AGO.??

    1. Dj says:

      The pay cut was your choice.

    2. roster says:

      Just think, LEECH. You could have bought those bennys with your previous salary and STILL have money left over from what you have now. You took the pay cut 11 years ago because you are a moron. That’s all there is to it.

  115. James Smith says:

    Calling Governor Moonbeam, the Democrats in the Legislature have almost a 2 to 1 majority over the Republicians in both houses. Don’t blame the GOP if he will not stick his neck out to come up with a blaanced budget. All that exists is his ducking his responsibilities. Civil War? at least 618,000 men died fighting in the US civil war, it is a shame his knowledge of history is as bad as his grasp of current events in California.

    1. Jay T says:

      He meant a REVOLUTIONARY WAR… the same one that was all about breaking away from a OVER TAXATION system in England…… The TEA PARTY has it right the media just won’t admit it!

  116. Dj says:

    I was going to debate Brown’s statement about the civil war, but then I remembered that he is old enough to have fought at bull run.

  117. edwardo says:

    Jerry Brown=retread and stupid. triple dipper, the biggest greedy public servant(oxymoron) in the world. His kind IS the problem. and Obama is one of them.

  118. LukeJohn says:

    The problem with politics is that no one speaks openly and plainly. Everybody has an agenda. Everybody had his/her “sacred cows”

    Well here are some plain truths – directed at the Governor but applicable to both the Democrats and Republicans in State government at EVERY level:

    1. You are NOT going to get new taxes so forget about it. We the people down here actually struggling to earn money, create wealth and feed our families on the whole have no more to give.

    2. You HAVE to cut waste, duplication and inefficiency at EVERY level – there are so many boards, committees and other bureaucratic contrivances that overlap or are just not needed. Everything that can be privatized should be put out to bid – if a government agency can compete on a level field, fine. If not, go private.At the most, the government role should be to manage those private firms, not “self-perform”.

    3. If you want more tax revenue, the ONLY way you’re going to get it is to increase the tax base by actually stimulating private sector business, investment and true job-creation in REAL industries. Wishing and hoping for millions of “green jobs” to replace those that you are destroying in established industries just ain’t gonna happen. Green tech will grow eventually but in a natural cycle. It will never be fast enough to dig us out of the hole.

    It’s actually very simple: More people working in the private sector means more people earning and paying taxes. More people working and off welfare/unemployment means fewer drains on state resources, therefore more money to spend. More people earning a good living means more people spending on consumables, means more sales tax revenue, means more profit for business, means more corporate tax revenue.

    It’s really that simple.

  119. Lew says:

    Jerry Brown is the Pits, smart talking want cut it any more people are smart to there trick as for brown he could be standing in water and because die because there no water to drink. Jerry your party as cause the division in the country. thank you
    Lew

  120. zenbuckaroo says:

    He is hoping for the Republicans to do the dirty work and he will take the credit…but for once they aren’t buying it… thanks to Wisconsin and Ohio Governors who have seen the light.

  121. John C says:

    “The legitimacy of our very democratic institutions are in question.”

    Yes, because our “democratic” institutions have consistently ignored the will of the people and spent the country and the state of California into bankruptcy.

  122. sandiego1969 says:

    Jerry should know. He was a reporter when the south fired on Fort Sumter.

  123. Willie Thielen says:

    love you comment🙂

  124. oldtimerinfla says:

    Blame needs to go to the hack politicians who accepted public sector worker’s votes at the expense of a future catastrophic budget crisis. Now here it is!
    Don’t be shocked…don’t be suprised…don’t claim ignorance of the situation.
    WE ALL KNEW IT HAD TO COME SOMEDAY SOON!

  125. justin says:

    They are afraid to take any action and its getting worse and worse. Love it!

  126. JJ says:

    50% of this nation pays no taxes at all

  127. Phil says:

    Fact is republicans are not only racists, they are jealous of state employees who make less than private employees (yes it’s been researched) and receive a paltry pension..

    Keep whining repukes

    1. LukeJohn says:

      Lst research I saw a couple of months ago showed that public sector employees earned significantly MORE on average for the same work than private sector.

      And that did not allow for all the benefits and vastly superior job security.

      Secondly – we have WAY TOO MANY public employees. Remember that although a certain level of public service is necessary, every job in that sector is paid for by those in the private sector who actually create the wealth.

    2. StaticKlingon says:

      No, it’s not jealousy. It’s the kind of revulsion you feel when you discover a tick has attached itself to your skin and gotten swollen and fat on your life’s blood. Hope that clears up your confusion……..

  128. Jake says:

    So, when the private sector gets a bonus in a good year, then the public sector should too?

  129. Jason, San Francisco says:

    Jerry Brown is a big clown dressed up to resemble a governor. He is owned by the unions and special interests in the state of California and he is clueless about how to govern and balance a budget. For those of you who voted for him, I hope you learn from experience. He is a failed governor.

  130. Smitty says:

    I guess Moonbeam was so busy getting stoned in the 60s to notice how divided we were then.

  131. Alexio Tom says:

    It is amazing to see and hear the middle class tea baggers/neo-cons attack unions, public and state workers, pensions and the unemployed; all the while they let the corporate elite executives skate with tens and in some cases hundreds of millions in salaries, bonuses and golden parachutes while they drive our US economy and many of the companies into a ditch (i.e. Home Deport, etc.) Somehow and someway (insanity?) the tea baggers have been convinced to do the dirty work and support the super rich elite and go against the rapidly disappearing middle class’ best interests. The tea baggers are Fascists/Corporatists all the way. The military industrial corporate complex is the main cause of our economic problems. It sucks and wastes revenue way more than any other government program. Yet the tea baggers would never criticize that sacred cow.

    1. The Bagginator says:

      You refer to the Tea Partiers as “teabaggers”. Since you are at opposite ends with them, I take it that you are a teabaggee. Open wide, sweetlips. Don’t bite, now. Ya hear?

      1. Smitty says:

        LMAO w/ Bagginator!!

      2. shempus says:

        they love them some taint tea

    2. Sun says:

      We’re you born this stupid or did it take years of democratic party brainwashing to create your stupidity?

  132. oldtimerinfla says:

    The public service employess are going to take it in the shorts at some time. Is this right? No! Is it fair? No! Will it happen? Yes!

    The only thing worse that state employess losing these promised benefits and perks after being promised to them would occur when private sector downsized workers still have to carry the burden of bloated, excessive benefits for the political hacks’ voter generators.

  133. Smitty says:

    Phil, your baseless hatred is a compliment to us…keep it up.

  134. w.g.smith says:

    Pat Brown gave the great State of California water storage. Jerry has given us a welfare state controled by public employee unions. His dad is rolling in his grave.

  135. gridflash says:

    It’s only a Regime because the Socialists are in charge…

  136. TokenBrotha says:

    Jerry Brown is what happens when we let people get high & vote.

  137. JNH says:

    This is due to our so called leadership – Obama.

    The great divider and great leader of deception.

  138. WASP says:

    Want to see Caleefornia’s future?

    Take a look at Detroit.

    You over-regulate and over-tax businesses and wealthy individuals and we simply move our wealth and jobs to other states.

    Too bad you got greedy…now, you have no tax base.

    Pot heads and illegal aliens = that’s Caleefornia’s tax base…LOL!!! Lotsa luck.

  139. Glenn Strickler says:

    Dear Governor Brown,

    Before you ask me for more taxes, cut off all benefits for those here illegally, then get back to me.

    Next, if you can’t balance the budget, then take a look at the amount of state employees and see how much their benefits and wages need to be adjusted to balance the budget. But after you eliminate benefits to persons who are here illegally, I will wager that you can just freeze benefits for current employees. Do not replace those who retire or leave. You won’t need to as those who are here illegally will self-deport or leave for another state and you will be able to do with fewer employees.

    Next, a new scale for new employees in line with the private sector.

    Otherwise, I will work to defeat any, and I mean any bill to raise taxes.

  140. SW says:

    What a delightful bunch of postings and exchanges. The simple facts of basic economics and Darwinian principles predict that California must move from illiquidity into insolvency and then into the non-bankruptcy kind of bankrutpcy which governments will — not, might — experience.

    As these governments implode, we private folks without debt have relatively little to fear. It is all those who became dependents and hold debt rather than savings that will find their holdings washed away as government “revenues” and “payments” evaporate. What shall we do? Chuckle. And pick up the pieces as the implosion of the USSR has left all the assets there for those who could afford to snap them up.

  141. Jeff says:

    Governor “Moon Beam” is one of the many Liberals who put California in this position in the first place with all his Socialist/Liberal programs. The Democrats are great at digging these holes but they sure as heck don’t know how too back fill…..and they don’t want to learn!

  142. LTCB says:

    I used to live out there and am glad I don’t now. But, let me say to both sides of this issue, Your fellow citizens who are trying to make this all work and are not TRYING to be leaches are not the enemy. It has been known for years that if you want a steady, although usually lower paying job, you took one in public life. That isn’t a bad thing and we need at least some of these people doing these jobs. Even a Govenor is needed (despite how we feel about any specific one). Focus on the solutions and not on each other. California’s solution is to cut excessive and repetitive positions in goverment. Consolidate agencies. Reduce staff by just not hiring new people for awhile. You can’t completely stop new hires or you have a big staff hole later. But, you don’t have to fill all the positions. Don’t spend what you don’t take in. If there’s no money for it; prioritize what gets kept and what gets cut BEFORE you have to do it. Try to cut fat and not muscle. I don’t like taxes at all and I’m as red-necked as any OKIE can get. But, you have to tax enough to pay the costs of those programs that are to be kept. Now, if the good (and bad) citizens of CA could agree on anything to be cut, then that should definitely be on the block. Next you look at the areas where a majority from each side can agree and cut those things that only a minority demand. IF you still don’t have enough cuts, you then start to get ugly. But, you’re far from needing to demonize each other yet. You’re not Greece. You’re only getting close.

    1. Jeff says:

      Are you insane? The State is BANKRUPT and the end is coming and you talk about keeping programs and taxing more to fund them??
      Liberals have “welfare and entitlement programmed” California into the Marixst abyss and there is NO MONEY at the bottom….do you understand that?
      You can confiscate everything all those Hollywood leftists have and then all the business people and it wouldn’t be a drop in the bucket of what you need to payoff the deficit Liberals have amassed with their enlightened BS feel good programs for everyone!
      The party is over…..don’t you get that?

      1. CycleGuy says:

        Tax rates on the wealthy are near historic lows. Look it up Jeff.

  143. HarryinLA says:

    Jerry Brown or Moonbeam is another in a long line of Horse’s Patoots that are running this state right into the ground.

  144. B. Samuel Davis says:

    Who does Governor Brown represent – the parasitic public employee unions that give every penny of their campaign donations to Democrats/ Why should they be allowed to donate at all? Brown is in charge of a corrupt system where Democrat voters are imported from south of the border by promising them money and free medical care. The private sector is sick of it and moving out.

    This Governor’s solution is to whine about the situation and how divided the State is. Real helpful Brown – if that’s all you can add why did you want the job? Yes California may be ungovernable. But that’s because there are too many people with their hands out, and those who could contribute are leaving.

    California is a perfect Democrat paradise – the first State to join the third world with rich, poor, government workers and not much else. And of course the media says nothing about it since for some odd reason the media all is biased in favor of democrats. Why?

    1. Big Frank says:

      “The private sector is sick of it and moving out. ”

      Not true.

      Got anymore lies, old man?

      1. Lagunagal says:

        Oh no, quite true Big Frank, I’m a 35 year old self-made businesswoman. We manufacture a product that sits under the sinks of 80% of American households. I would like to preface the balance of this post with thanking you for your business. Now Frankie, we employ 2300 in California alone. We have paid an increase of 27% for our healthcare and 14% and 8% respectively in additional payroll tax increases not to mention the surprise we experience every year regarding corporate taxes. Since we can no longer project revenue we always round this up to the most insane number and we’re still off. I’m not moving from my home state but I am moving the business domicile and the $18 million in annual taxes out of state along with key executives who will by virtue of the money saved be getting raises. Oh and the money I used to purchase this current company was money generated from the sale of my old company in the surf wear market in Huntington Beach. See how this works Frankie boy? I still get my La Jolla ocean view because I worked my arse off for it but will be paying 27% less in taxes. Frankie boy, as opposed to holding that sign on the freeway off-ramp, go for it, you may surprise yourself, then maybe not because it does take discipline, creativity, critical thinking, strategizing and long hours of work. Regardless Big Frank, participate as opposed to regulate. If I’m smart enough to become successful twice in my career before 40 I’m quite sure your smart enough to find a niche product or service that people are willing to pay for. Or in the alternative if this seems too much for you, I’m sure smart enough to ensure not one dime goes into the pocket of one who is able minded and able bodied and doesn’t really need it. Cheers!

  145. Cop says:

    Obviously Mr. Brown isn’t very old. He must not remember the late sixties and the division over the Vietnam War. I guess politicians never tire of dropping superlatives.

    1. Jeff says:

      He remembers….he was one of the protestors!

  146. Sniffit says:

    Tough teddies all you whiners. Yes I pay INTO my pension. And I’ll get back many more times what I pay INTO it.

    You’re just jealous because you made poor choices in life and didnt take the right career route.

  147. Ryan.Iowa says:

    Maybe the socialist progressive Democrats shouldn’t have taken the country to far away from the intentions of the Founder’s, and beyond the limits and confines of the Constitution. That’s why this country is so divided. They act with feigned outrage now that the Silent Majority, aka the Tea party, aka the growing block of conservative voters, knows what their goal of transforming America into a social democracy means to our fiscal future as a nation.

    It’s simple. We don’t have revenue problems in the U.S. and its constituent States. We have spending problems. Stop the spending!

  148. Bon Motts says:

    Who’s to blame for dividing the country? I wonder.

  149. Ryan.Iowa says:

    P.S. I’m not wearing any pants right now? Who wants to party cornhusker style??

  150. Robert Ziegler says:

    We are not so divided as the esteemed Governor suggests. 80% of us know our government has failed to do it’s job and is disfunctional. The other 20% doesn’t care that we are running trillion dollar deficits.

  151. WASP says:

    Caleefornia has more FREELOADERS than tax payers.

    Caleefornia Democrats worked very long and hard to drive the tax base – businesses and wealthy individuals – to move to other states.

    Now, all you have left are pot heads and illiterate peasants from Mexico…and you wonder why there are no jobs and no tax revenues coming in?

    DUH.

    1. Thomas Jefferson says:

      WASP lives in a trailer in the 909. I just know it.

      1. lagunagal says:

        Yeah TJ and the 909 area code Inland Empire has a 17% unemployment rate. You and Spinny fiind this amusing?

      2. @lagunagal – It was the trailer trash joke. Better look out or you’ll trip on your own self-righteousness.

  152. Terry Howser says:

    Hey Bob, how have you been doing? Haven’t seen you at the free clinic lately. I hope that means your rash has healed up.

  153. Gubment Cheese says:

    We get a better overall benefit package because our salaries have been far below the private sector for generations. It’s the only way your governments could attract qualified workers. Now that the private sector has collapsed, you whiners come forward crying, “We don’t get what you get, it’s not fair!” You’re not conservatives, you’re liberals in disguise. They cry the same way about rich people.

  154. AgryBuddha says:

    Are you really this stupid or just being histrionic for effect?

  155. Flint says:

    Moonbeam is right! This country is about to embark on civil war 2.If I lived in California I would not be worried because you have such stellar reps like Pelosi, Boxcar, Feinstein Brown. not to worry you’ll be all right! You should also know the rest of the country would not care much if your fell into the ocean! Except Yosemite, good luck geniuses!

  156. WASP says:

    As former Exxon CEO Lee Raymond told Senator Dianne Feinstein when she asked why Exxon was not investing in Caleefornia any longer:

    “Senator, California has a tax and regulatory environment that we view as punitive. It is perhaps the last place on Earth the Exxon-Mobil Corporation would consider for making significant capital expenditures.”

    CALEEFORNIA’S FUTURE?
    Detroit.

  157. geeM says:

    Boy, the anti-state worker zealots are like a nest of misdirected hornets. When they have to pay directly for use of any road, school / teacher, and engineering, along with not having any parks, police or fire departments, perhaps they will tone down the vicious rhetoric.

  158. WASP says:

    Former Exxon CEO Lee Raymond summed-up Caleefornia’s problems in a nutshell when he expalined to Senator Dianne Feinstein why Exxon was not investing in Caleefornia any longer:

    “Senator, California has a tax and regulatory environment that we view as punitive. It is perhaps the last place on Earth the Exxon-Mobil Corporation would consider for making significant capital expenditures.”

    WANNA SEE CALEEFORNIA’S FUTURE?
    …take a look at Detroit.

  159. crypticguise says:

    Someone should tell Governor Brown, that the American People are sick and tired of beng over-taxed, and over controlled by liberal-progressive politicians for public unions whose publlic employees think we work for them.

    It’s OVER! Time to downsize, Federal, State and Local governments and return to sensible klimited government as envisioned by our Founding Fathers and NOW the over-taxed private citizens who PAY ALL THE TAXES.

    1. Well the pundits on the Right should be flattered that you’re parroting them.

  160. mom2j says:

    I just took my bra off. Who wants to party??

    1. mom2j says:

      Uh, whoever the smarta$$ is who’s using my user i.d. can stop it right now. I did not post this comment….’the real mom2j”

  161. rowley says:

    Brown has no idea how divided we are.
    It’s no more north vs south and those who want to enslave us are in the FED. Govt. in Washington DC.
    On the State level its the Fat Cats in State capitol and filthy rich in Hollywood that want to get tax deductions while forcing others to pay for their pet projects

  162. Brushjumper says:

    Who cares, it is just like Illinois, as in Tax and Spend. The unions are destroying America and business is leaving your state, again who cares. At some point, riots will occur again and many more deaths this time around. A 14.0 quake will always help the state also.

  163. shempus says:

    @Marty
    Give up the religion thing, Doofus. Many down here are secular conservatives. Religion has NOTHING to do with it, only sanity and our abitity to use a calculator. You wefties for some evolutional reason have lost the arithmetic calculation gene and can’t find an abacus, slide rule, or any chicken bones that’ll back up your arcane and many-times dis-proven Keynesian notions. Please secede from the state, and how ’bout the Union while you’re at it? Jeeez, how vapid and brainwashed can y’all be?

  164. Marine 83 says:

    I wonder if ol “Moonbeam” realizes that he and people like him are the reason this country is poarized?

  165. jerry k says:

    This is what’s wrong with California, thanks to the Democrats who dominate this state. I sold a car back in 2012, and just today I was hit with a $170 DMV fine for expired registration on a car I don’t own. Apparently there is some new form I have to fill out before the state will aknowlege that its not my taxable property anymore – and since I didn’t know that, they’re going to squeeze just as much as they can out of me (or any other citizen in my shoes), without any legitimate basis. It’s nothing but state-sponsored extortion, but how can you fight it? I’ve sold 5 cars in other states (and even 2 here) before, without having to deal with this kind of thing. I guess the democrats need a little more of my money for the illegal immigrants, the homeless, and the public unions this year.

  166. Danbury says:

    “Moonbeam” II is now having to deal with most of the problems that “Moonbeam” I started, decades ago.

    He was an incompetent P.O.S. then and is now just an older one.

  167. WASP says:

    Caleefornia = WORST BUSINESS CLIMATE STATE IN AMERICA per Forbes and Chief Executive magazines.

    There was a time when Caleefornia made up for its punitive regulatory and tax environment by offering a good quality of life…but, as Democrats bled the state dry to provide outrageous benefits for unionized gov’t employees, its infrastructure collapsed.

    Caleefornia now ranks at bottom with the worst schools, roads, hospitals and prison systems in the nation. Since Caleefornia’s tax base has left the state, there’s no likelihood that it will be restored, either. Whom is Moonbeam gonna tax? All that’s left in Caleefornia are potheads, illegals and gov’t employees.

    You’re finished. RIP

  168. CL says:

    Thats right Jerry ,and you and your President are the reason why ! More then half the nation know he is trying to destroy this country !

  169. Jay T says:

    Unions… ruined the auto industry, the airline industry and make us non competitive in world markets. Public unions are at the head of our most dismal schooling records in our history, The more government the less efficient…. hows the IRS or the DMV or the Postal Service treating you?

  170. Bruce Baker says:

    Is it too late to give California back to Mexico?

  171. al gore says:

    hey Marty at 7:58 – tell me where teh Constitution guarantees separation of church and state? its not in the Constitution.

  172. Robert Smith says:

    I am surprised how no one is bringing up the fact that PRIVATE sector workers get bonuses and usually get paid quite a bit more a year than a public sector worker does.

    And I bet before the economy turned sour more than half of the private sector workers posting here would not even consider working any of the state jobs because they were above “Those types of jobs” living high on the hog with your stock options, your yearly bonuses, your free sporting tickets your free golf, Your big flashy cars etc, etc, etc.. when your making over $100k a year and your wife sits at home in your $300K home..

    You want to take away public sector workers benifits, ok.. Just make sure you up their pay to what the private sector is making, bonuses stock options. You see where this is going.. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

    No, I don’t feel sorry for the Public sector employees / state workers who are doing their jobs and saving for their future retirement. Who have sat back and watched the RICH just keep getting richer You want to point a finger, you shouldn’t point it at your neighbor, you need to point it higher at the political leaders running this country who don’t know how to save money but all they want to do is spend, spend, spend.

    So state workers/government workers leeches….. I think not!

    At the end of the day they picked their job and you picked yours.

    1. StaticKlingon says:

      One small point. We are not forced to pony up our money to support the private worker. He pays his own way and must compete in the marketplace to do so. Public employees…..not so much.

  173. Ken Puck says:

    Jerry Brown is a complete charlatan. He promised “reform” and is unable to deliver it. He must have known when he ran for office where the fault lines lie in Sacramento; now he’s squawking that “we’re polarized, we’re polarized, I’m hamstrung!” Well, Jerry, what you’re really saying is, Oh, wait, there’s no rabbit in the hat after all — which half the voters already knew. But the other half — the looters, the takers, the bloodsuckers, the leeches — will keep him in office to the bitter end. Which is not far off.

  174. jackspratt1 says:

    first thing this man has ever said that has made any sense whatsoever

  175. Tea Party for Life says:

    Just get rid of Brown… people.

    New amendment to the Constitution: All non-whites running for President must present their birth certificates for public scrutiny and review, despite how many “generations” they claim to have lived in our United States.

    Tea Party Patriots!

    1. regis49 says:

      Who are you trying to BS? No Tea Party gathering would let your punk a$$ hang around. Lefty punk agitator trying to defame the Tea Party. The videos of it being tried have always shown EPIC FAIL! for the all too obvious knuckle dragging imposters, such as yourself.

      1. Tea Party for Life says:

        The only imposter here is you, you commie Kenyan-dictator loving liberal. I can produce my Republican voter registration. Where’s yours? Where’s your birth certificate for that matter? Is that you Barry Soetero?

    2. DBTRN says:

      More like a lefty for life. You guys are desperate.

  176. jen says:

    I lived in California for 12 years. That Marty guy is a typical California Liberal, wanting to BLAME everyone but the people that are the REAL problem. The ill~legals have totally drained that state of money and resourses, then what was left you have the tree huggers and who would rather save a field mice then let the farmers water there corps! California deserves everything they get, for letting the crooked liberals high~jack THEIR state! And I know there are bad Republicans as well!

  177. Pete says:

    There are two issues absent from Gov. Brown’s vocabulary. Government unions and illegal aliens. It was Gov. Moonbeam that gifted government unions collective bargaining the last time he was in office. It is estimated that there is a $500 BILLION dollar shortfall in promises made to government unions at taxpayer expense. Big government and big government unions are a two headed tick that preys on taxpayers. Ban them and end collective bargaining.

    It is also estimated that the cost to taxpayers for illegals including welfare and other entitlements runs about $12-25 BILLION per year.

    Until these issues are address no to any tax increase.

  178. Scotty says:

    And just like during the civil war, it is again the Democrats using minorities as political pawns and tools. The Democrat party is the modern-day plantation owner

  179. I'm a Cop says:

    Oh, those evil, LEECH public workers. Guess what? Most public workers vote Republican. Keep painting us as evil and watch how many of us go to the left. Your overtly racist “Tea Party” has already served to run minorities away from our party, so why not chase more away?

    Morons.

  180. Bob Forsberg says:

    Division is between the makers and the takers…always has been. The problem today is the takers far outnumber the makers and the system is collapsing. The takers want “theirs” before there is no more and the makers don’t want to be pouring their earnings down a rat hole anymore.

  181. dom27 says:

    I CAN’T IMAGINE WHY WE ARE DIVIDED YOU STUPID MORON…
    TAKE A LOOK WHO PUT THAT GUY IN OFFICE IN MY BEAUTIFUL WHITE HOUSE.
    EVER SINCE IT’S BEEN DOWNHILL AND THERE IS NO END TO IT AS LONG AS YOU HAVE GEORGE SOROS CALLING ALL THEW SHOTS. ( HOW, WHEN AND WHERE AND WHAT ) HE CONTROLS THE COUNTRY. THAT IS WHY WE ARE DIVIDED MR GOVENOR OFTHE HEAVIEST DEBTED STATE IN THE UNION…

  182. Archy Cary says:

    Sell CA to China.

  183. Tea Party Texas says:

    We have GOT to start with this guaranteed pension for our military members. They don’t pay one red cent towards their retirement!!! Not only do these leeches get guaranteed pensions, they get free healthcare for LIFE. WAKE UP AMERICA!!

    1. regis49 says:

      You’re not a Tea Partier either, are you? You and Tea Party for Life are twin punks … or maybe the same punk. It is so hilarious how trasparent you people are.

  184. shooter says:

    If government is “too big to fail” then government is just too damn big, period.

    We don’t have a tax problem, we have a SPENDING problem!!!

  185. Terry says:

    You people living in California has no reason to complain. You can easily afford not only higher taxes but much higher taxes. Why do you have a limit on property taxes? Why are you not paying 8% 10% or higher in property taxes like Texas, New York, New Jersey? You could easily afford to double the sales taxes in California. You are the richest state in the union and with the Entertainment/Services and Computer industries are some of the highest paid people in the entire country. You guys have no reason to complain. California has a history of voting in Democrats with a spending stragety. You just elected a Democratic governor who already served a 8-year term back in the 60’s and 70’s and has a record. With a Democrat Legislature there will be no cuts in pensions. The Democratic Party and those who run California are supported by UNIONS. There is no symphathy for California from anyone else in the country. You have some of the best weather and a coast-line that is one of the best in the world and it’s about time you people start paying for it. I say raise you taxes until the budget is balanced and then raise them some more.

    1. To answer your property tax question – Proposition 13.

      We’re definitely spoiled with the beautiful weather. Sales tax is already at 9.75% where I am. If it has to go higher to balance the budget, I’m OK with it. Brown didn’t even want to raise them. It was an extension.

  186. MissKitty says:

    lies, lies, and more lies… can this man say anything that resembles the truth….

    1. Hmm. What did he say was a lie? That we’re broke? That the GOP could have helped by agreeing to a tax extension? That the Dems agreed to $12B in cuts?

  187. Greg says:

    Gov. Jerry Brown: “Country Hasn’t Been This Divided Since Civil War!”

    Well, we agree on one thing!

  188. Jack Wilson says:

    Jerry is old, but not old enough to have experienced the bitterness and divide of the Civil War. and how is it that he’s allowed to put $5.2Billion in ‘transfers’ on the ‘expenditure reduction’ side of the ledger, and then seek to match that ‘cut’ with $5.2Billion in tax/fee increases?

  189. Jody says:

    American workers in the private sector should go on strike against the government. I think many workers in the private sector have been on a work slow down for years now. The government can pay government workers with a heart felt thank you card.

  190. Marrabella says:

    Well, duh! Obama & Co. Lied and deceived us during the election. Remember when the government of Wisconsin threatened to arrest anyone who said he was a socialist? Remember when he spent over 2million in attorney fees to hide his dubious past?
    Now we know and we feel duped. Hopey change is a naked Marxist.
    The Liberals ( commies in the Democratic Party) covered for him and should be in jail.
    No wonder their is so much divisiveness.

  191. The GOP of CA has been completely lame. They don’t know the meaning of the word compromise. It’s not like he was implementing a new tax. It was just extending the ones that were set to expire in July.

    1. Marrabella says:

      There’s compromise and then there’s compromising your values and integrity.

      1. Seriously? What about an extension is compromising your values and integrity? The Dems agreed to $12B in cuts, and the GOP said no. I suppose compromise isn’t one of their values.

  192. Clemenza says:

    Would the last one to leave California, please turn out the lights?

    Take the gun, leave the tacos.

    1. God that joke is so old. At least find something original.

  193. Condor says:

    Think we could do something like a Louisiana purchase in reverse? You know, sell California to China. As long as all the current residents went with the sale it would not be a bad deal for the rest of the nation. Humm, we could even have a bidding war between China and the Narco-Trafficanties to drive up the price.

  194. fantum. says:

    California… The land of fruits and nuts harvested by illegal aliens.

    THEN: Californians elected and supported liberal politicians who squandered their tax dollars for years. The politicians entitled unions, welfare recipients, government drones, illegal aliens, those still mooching off mom and dad, and other worthless freeloaders, giving them taxpayer dollars. They said it could all be paid for by taxing the rich, taxing big business, taxing their children’s future, credit, and other fiscal nonsense. Californians were happy, they were getting a free lunch.

    NEXT: Business is moving out, the rich are moving out, California has maxed out their credit, more freeloaders are moving in, taxes are going up, inflation is going up and the State is issuing IOUs. So what did the California politicians do? Boycott Arizona! What a bunch of incompetent morons.

    So… Just how stupid are Californians?

    THEY ELECTED JERRY BROWN!

  195. Gary Johnson says:

    Yes, and this pant load is one of the biggest for that split….

  196. edwardo says:

    Jerry Brown is right, lets get it on! progressives are the enemy of our constitution. and the Tax payer. Unions, demonrats, are all Marxists and parasites of the work ethic and providing for yourself. they want to live off of everyone else.

  197. Kit Maira says:

    The CA GOP had a perfect opportunity to save as much as $1.7 billion with SB77,which would have eliminated redevelopment agencies. Instead only one Republican, Chris Norby of Fullerton, voted for it, and the measure fell one vote short. The CA GOP saved eminent domain, what a victory, for corporate welfare.
    Here is a link: http://www.calwatchdog.com/2011/03/18/ca-gop-saves-eminent-domain/

  198. smokehouse says:

    One word best describes this situation. Obama. This fool was elected to destroy America. American’s are resisting. In 2012 he will be history.

  199. A Real American says:

    We must abolish Obamacare, Medicare, Social Security and all these other welfare programs because they are a waste of money and helping others is a sign of weakness. As far as I’m concerned, life is a privilege and not a right. If you can’t pay, then you can’t live. It’s as black and white as that. As for black and white, I think Obama is evil. He says “YES WE CAN”. I say, “NO YOU CAN’T, NI**ER!” We must adopt a new Constitutional amendment that prevents anyone who is not a white, Christian heterosexual able-bodied, able-minded male from running for President.

    Progressives want America to move forward? Then I want America to move backward. Bring back segregation! The country went down hill when we abolished it. George Wallace was right!

    As for gay marriage, we should take away their right to vote so that there won’t be a damn thing those f@ggot$ can do about it.

    We should outlaw all forms of abortion. Especially in cases of rape, incest and especially if the mother’s life is in danger. If the mother saves her life by aborting their child, then they will both burn in hell!

    Finally, unions need to be abolished! If you don’t like what you’re getting paid, too bad! We could always reinstate slavery!

    So yes, I want America to go back to ’55. But I mean 1855!

    One People, One God, One Language, One Leader, One Nation!

    1. firstviceroy says:

      I’m having a problem posting to this comment. But I will try again.
      You’re obviously a liberal trying to portray yourself as something else. Nice try but it’s obvious. As what you stated above is only what a liberal/socialist/democrat claim to be fighting against. The truth is most conservatives and republicans want freedom less restrictions our borders enforced, our laws enforced and no more freebies to a chosen few. What is so interesting is that I find deep down most liberals are not only racists but hypocrites as well. They project their inner racism onto others hoping that it will absolve them of their own sick thoughts. Please no more taxes, no more money to the unions who then in turn feed it back to the democrats and no more money to people who come here illegally. Don’t let the racist democrats and their cohorts known as La Raza continue the Latin american invasion simply because they are of the proper race. The Laws that apply to Europeans, Asians, Africans, and anyone else must be applied to Latinos as well, with no exceptions. So I welcome all people who emigrate here legally. I know it is a difficult process but well worth it. To those unions that allow everyone to upgrade to captain their last year before retirement , well it is just adding to the problem. To those fireman in Orange county making over $500,000 a year, your days of gaming the system are coming to an end. To all the others in this California society that rely solely on Government largess, your days are numbered as well. Finally, to those Democrats that can’t see the damage they have done over the last 30 plus years of controlling the legislature, whose quest is based on guilt or to be noble with other peoples money, I wish you complete and total failure.

  200. FRED RUSSO says:

    Folks if you do not keep a republican congress in power the democrats will bail out California as sure as day. And it will need to be done again and again for years to come.

  201. freddylee says:

    Marty:

    You suck……big time.

  202. buddyhacker says:

    LOL, comparing today’s political climate to the Civil War is a joke and only diminishes the memory of those who died back then

  203. Jim Busse says:

    It sure is radical to live within your means. I think that brown, who grew up in a government worker family, never worked a day in his life for himself but only for the taxpayers , and really never grew up has a warped sense of the taxpayers. He only speaks to the tax takers and has yet to make a case that they need to dial back their outrageous salaries and benefits. If major companies could use financial hardship and ERISA to eliminate defined benefit packages the State of California should do the same. Step 1 is to pull the state funding from CALPRS and other defined benefit plans. Let them sink or swim on their own just like the rest of us. STep 2 is to eliminate 25% of the state jobs, Step 3 is to hire people who are adept at eliminating government roadblocks from our businesses. The state should be a partner not and adversary to the people who pay the bills. Government workers don’t pay for anything because all their income is taxpayer money to start with. You want to cut, cut the taxtakers.

  204. PRISON_SHEEPLE says:

    CAN SOME PUT THIS DUMB FOOL IN A PRISON. PUT THIS FRAUD IN PRISON SHEEPLE

  205. Sedgewick says:

    Pull down the temple and be damned!

  206. Neal says:

    BROWN IS STILL OWNED BY PUBLIC EMPLOYEE PARASITES.

    ALL AS WORTHLESS AS TITS ON A BULL!

  207. Eric Biss says:

    Having been born in 1950 and remembering the Sixties, Vietnam and Watergate, I think people were more divided then than now. But aside from that, I thought Obama’s Hope and Change were supposed to have the opposite effect. Is Brown admitting Obama has been a failure?

  208. speedy says:

    you are right jerry brown, but you and your communist dead end friends are the cause.

  209. Budgeteer says:

    …..Solving state deficits is going to get really rough; e.g. Wisconsin and also just recently saw nearly 500,000 on the London streets demonstrating over UK cutbacks. Look at what also recently happened in France and other countries. Plus, of course, there will be endless sob/negative stories by the mainstream media about anyone and/or anything that MAY be adversely affected by ANY cutbacks. Don’t cut my benefits, hack that guy behind the tree!
    …..How can it be and/or how will all of this eventually be resolved? Who has the power and the guts to tackle such a monumental task? It certainly will not be Jerry Brown; the CA public unions creator. Any budget cutter will be slaughtered by the mainstream media and the demonstrators; and voted out of office at the first opportunity by a coalition of Unions, Liberals, Minorities and Freeloaders; largely funded by the Unions. The situation appears hopeless and it is scary.

  210. SharpShtik says:

    Tens of millions of people/companies that receive money from government are each taxpayer dependent lobbyists, including government contractors, government employees, welfare recipients, etc. Of course welfare recipients are the worst because they get our wealth for absolutely nothing. At $14 trillion in the hole and counting, obviously politicians have been catering to all these lobbyists more than self sufficient taxpayers for the past 80 years.

    US government has been fundamentally transformed by Democrats from the constitutional purpose of providing for common/general welfare, e.g., we all benefit from defense, to unconstitutional individualized welfare involving forcible wealth redistribution to individuals/companies for political benefits. America is increasingly a country of representation without taxation (including representation of illegal foreign invaders) and those people always want and vote themselves more of what someone else earned. Democrats, like organized criminals, abuse America’s weak democracy where anyone can vote (no matter how unintelligent, ignorant or unvested (nontaxpaying welfare recipient)) combined with unconstitutional individualized wealth redistribution to buy votes that fundamentally transforms America against the wishes of responsible Americans.

    Irresponsible people (Democrats) think it is their right to take away someone else’s right. Freedom can no longer be free at the loss of other people’s freedom. Individuals who refuse to be responsible must be denied freedom, e.g., to reproduce. Otherwise, life will increasingly imitate art (e.g. the movie Idiocracy where irresponsible idiots massively outbreed responsible Americans)

  211. couchgnome says:

    The party that brought us the Klan, la Raza, MECHA, The New Black Panthers, (the old black panthers too for that matter), Black liberation Theology, Westboro Baptist Church, wants to accuse Republicans and tea partiers of racism.

    What could go wrong ?
    Deriding seniors citizens with profane names like “tea bagger” and trying to inimidate them oout of voting with bussed-in union thugs?
    What could possibly go wrong?

    The US Democratic party is the oldest, most racist political party on the face of the earth (1812) and is still as hideously divisive and racist today with their “Reverand Wrights” as they were in the 1860’s with thei Nathan Bedford Forrests.r

    People are sick of racebaiting by these racists

  212. RobbieK says:

    Marty wrote: Fine. We’ll move forward. You closed minded intolerant Southlanders can abolish the Constitutionally guaranteed separation of church and state. Where your religious beliefs influence who and what you vote for. <<< Uhm, show me where in the U.S. Constitution it says "separation of Church & State". The U.S. Constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". Meaning, Congress shall pass no law that tells we citizens which religion we must follow. Our founders ran from the British Crown because they had a Government respected Church, the Anglican church. This was the reason for the First Amendment. So, Marty, anyone is free to pray on Public grounds; free to post the 10 commandments; free to pretty much worship wherever they want. Get a life, idiot.

    1. Marty says:

      So you think it’s okay to discriminate against someone if it’s against your beliefs?

      Martin Luther King wouldn’t think so.

      1. Gavin Snyder says:

        Marty, I wanted to comment on something you said earlier. You state that “The Constitution says “Of the People, By the People, For the People.”

        It says no such thing. That phrase was first uttered by Abraham Lincoln during the Gettysburg Address.

        Seriously, how can you make logical arguments when you clearly don’t have a grasp of basic facts. Try something original, like reading the Constitution first so as not to misinform people on what it says.

  213. carlb says:

    whats funny is californians continue to put imbeciles like jerry brown in office. a guy who was canned years ago yet like a parasite just wont let go. a democrat has no guts to do what is right. they are the ones that got us here. elect a democrat their is not a free ride they have not heard of. well after 50 years of this america is completely broke and we have all become whiners and parasites of people who actually produce and survive! great job jerry.

  214. Jeigh says:

    It was Democrats disguised as Republicans that caused all the uproar back then as well

  215. hercme says:

    Well thank you Mr. Jerry for that amazing news…where have you been the last 5 years or so! I know the people of California got the best choice and sure won’t continue to drive the wedge…Na, who am I kidding.

  216. Spaceship paging Moonbeam says:

    Moonbeam Jerry should know since he was at the Civil War. He had hair back then and was too busy protesting Lincoln’s policies to fight.

  217. Jacob says:

    Basically, the illegals are sucking us dry. Doesn’t matter if you’re republican, democrat northern or southern californian. We voted to ban them and the lib justices shot it down proving we don’t have a real democracy any more.

    Basically, the illegals are ruining the greatest country that ever existed and the Kenyan Marxist guy in the white house is dancing on the ruins watching whitey go down. Unfortunately, some white liberals are just to dumb to see what’s going down.

  218. Jim says:

    These politicians have created a huge conflict society whereby everyone is out to get the biggest piece of the pie they can get at someone else’s expense . They’ve created a program and service for every constituency imaginable and as former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher so aptly stated, “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.” That time has arrived. The American people have to demand that government be placed back in its Constitutional box where it belongs before it completely devours us.

  219. run26mi says:

    Your right Jerry, I’m just glad liberal don’t like guns, that will make this “civil war” a lot easier!!!!

  220. LadyTexan says:

    California has become the poster child for Don’t Let This Happen To You.
    the rest of the country laughs at California .

  221. Soquel Creek says:

    Governor Brown, while I appreciate your PROPOSED pension reforms, many of which are VOLUNTARY to union members, you are asking California voters to approve a “TEMPORARY” FIVE-YEAR TAX INCREASE, WITHOUT A SPENDING CAP and with NO GUARANTEED CHANGES to California’s pension system nor remedies to the state’s various funding problems.

    Essentially, you are asking us to TRUST YOU, when we NO LONGER TRUST any politician. It’s nothing personal, it’s just what California government has become from years of dysfunction.

    Why is there no trust? Who are the top two spenders in California politics, according to the California Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC)?

    CHART: “The 15 Biggest Spenders in California Politics”

    These two public-sector unions (CTA, SEIU) give nearly exclusively to your political party and in return, rely on your party to protect their unsustainable public pension benefits. Answer me this: Would you trust an energy policy drafted by politicians funded by Big Oil? Of course not! Then why do you expect the taxpayers to trust you on a public-pension reform plan drafted by the party that depends on Big Labor?

  222. BILL says:

    brown you and your dems know control calif politics so live with it but as a calif. resident…it is a THIRD WORLD STATE IN ALL CATEGORIES…EDUCATION…ONE OF THE WORSE IN THE NATION, TRASH EVERYWHERE, LOOKS LIKE MEXICO CITY WITH TRAFFIC AND BABIES EVERYWHERE, ON AND ON AND YOU BROWN ARE SO CONTROLLED BY THE CORRUPTED LOCAL AND STATE GOVT EMPLOYEES UNIONS AND THAT IS WHERE THE CUTS ARE NEEDED NOT TAXES..BROWN..THE WEALTHY ARE LEAVING THE STATE AT 120K A YEAR…LOVE IT AND BROWN STOP LYING

  223. Roxanna says:

    Mr. Brown should shut his yap. He’s been governor before. Everything he’s facing now he’s faced before. He knows that democrats always want to raise taxes, while Republicans always want to cut spending. I thought he had a plan to fix things. If not, why did he run?

  224. amplitude jones says:

    there is no need for civil war. Every American just fix bayonets and take out twenty democrats and thirty illegal aliens and all will be fine!

    1. Try it, and you’ll figure out quickly that a lot of us Democrats aren’t pacifists.😉

      1. amplitude jones says:

        we know you are not pacifists! You are violently destroying our nation. We will stop you.

      2. Mm hmm. Two party system. We will exist together until the end of time.

  225. Pounce Kitty says:

    I live in New York, but worked and visited California often. I hope the state goes bankrupt. Evil, vicious Democrats have destroyed California. Time to start over again. Anyone who votes Democrat should have to PAY PAY PAY for the damage that’s been done.

  226. T Clar says:

    The politicians have done this to us by fomenting this “class warfare” that somehow people paying all the taxes are not “paying their fair share” and
    making people believe that huge increases in taxes will solve the problems.
    California is case in point that it will not as CA has the highest taxes in the
    USA and the also the highest deficit–if higher taxes would solve the problem
    then CA would have no problem but it does in spades! Whereas several states that have the LOWEST taxes have the lowest budget deficit–if lower taxes are
    the cause of deficits why is that the case? Ask yourself if those taxes are raised how will that help the people not paying taxes–it will NOT they will be in the same situation income wise BUT the economy will as in CA be in the dumper
    and the lower income people will either lose their jobs or lose income and they
    WILL BE THE BIG LOSERS! The lying liars that tell the lies are the POLITICIANS
    LIKE JERRY BROWN! We need to lower taxes for ALL people to stimulate the
    economy like the above states the lower the taxes the lower the deficit BECAUSE
    the economy is hot and people are making money and guess what the rich pay the MOST in taxes! TC

  227. Buck Keely says:

    Jerry you are a divider not a uniter.

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  228. firstpoppa says:

    Krusty, aka Moonbeam has only one solution. RAISE TAXES.

    Hey Jerry! Read the 2004 California Performance Review – several hundred suggestions for cost reductions AT THE STATE LEVEL.

    Of course you’d have to get rid of a lot of those ‘advisory commissions’ – the ones that give 6 figure salaries to termed out or un-reelected political friends.

  229. KansasGirl says:

    I would say that doesn’t bode well for the dimmies. Hehe.

  230. tim says:

    Gov.Brown,a real dirtbag,just like the people who voted for him.

  231. Martin says:

    Governor Moonbeam is correct. We are drawing closer to civil war. Our country is becoming two cultures:
    1. Traditional values of individual liberty, limited government, and self reliance.
    2. Statist values of government oversight, lawlessness, and the collective over the individual.

    When the civil war does come it won’t be like the last one where the battling sides were geographically divided. We’re two interspersed. This one will be more like Bosnia in the 1990s.

  232. Smark says:

    Jerry,
    You are right. We are in a civil war. Even if you take 100% of our money, you still couldn’t pay for the debt you’ve incurred. Furthermore, if you take our retirement, 401k, stocks, etc… then you will be able to bring the quality of life up for those that refuse to work, for a time. Of course, you’ll end up devastating the producers, whereupon they will stop working and join the entitlement class. The money will run out. The government will be facing anarchy and chaos as citizens start to starve. We will revert to 3rd world status and you leaders will be shot by whichever Dictator takes over. You think I’m crazy and all will be Utopia once capitalism is destroyed. You’ll have complete control and a wonderful existence. You may as well believe in the tooth fairy. Cause you are simply that stupid.

  233. ron says:

    Which side won the ‘Civil War’? The side which was against slavery. The dems have been enslaving minorities for over half a century – so they’ll lose this war also.

  234. Dedicated_Dad says:

    Personally, I think it’s inevitable.

    There’s simply no way to reconcile those who feel entitled to the fruits of my labor, and my right to keep them.

    There is no compromise between “what’s yours is ours” and “what’s mine is mine.”

    Since it’s clear we’re to become two nations, let’s get it over with!

    Hopefully without a lot of bloodshed!

    Here’s a hint, though: Where will the “progressives” steal the money to buy their votes when all the working folk move to the “free states”?

  235. sirandrew says:

    The liberals say that the civil war that divided the nation was to free the slaves Now the Democrats want to enslave the tax paying producers to pay for the non producers,i

  236. PK says:

    We’re not a nation divided. We are two Americas living within the same set of borders.

  237. Karl says:

    I am among those who say let California go down the toilet. It has been living high on the hog for decades with no regard for the consequences. There is no
    free llunch but that is the way they have been thiniking. Everything an entitlement.

  238. Ralph says:

    God bless you people in the Golden State… you sure have your work cut out for you to get all the commies out of the government. I cn’t believe you elected Governor Moonbeam again. Gluttons for punishment, I guess. I guess we will be rid of Obama and some of his comrades before Governor Jerry goes.

    Hey… speaking of controlling the food supply (Stalin?).. Did they ever turn the water back on in the Valley? Did the pollywogs survive?

  239. Mark says:

    For a real original idea on how to save money and reform healthcare read Creativecare by Dave Leonard. It would get us to universal coverage and save 200 billion every year.That’s real change.

  240. Scott Smith says:

    For nearly four decades the left has been pushing its social and fiscal agendas on the rest of us. Most people, called the “Silent Majority,” didn’t necessarily like what they saw, but they were busy with their day-to-day lives and simply rolled with the punches. Well, it’s finally gotten to the point where these people are starting to say, “enough is enough” and drawing a line saying this is as far as we will be pushed…and since the left is no longer getting its way without opposition, suddenly we’re facing a “regime crisis.” That’s rich!

  241. robert smith says:

    It has been remarked that Mr. Obama is a moral man. So he is. Perhaps there never was a more moral man than Mr. Obama: especially in his conversation and correspondence. It has been said of him by a homely admirer, that he has a Fortunatus’s purse of good sentiments in his inside. In this particular he was like the girl in the fairy tale, except that if they were not actual diamonds which fall from his lips, they are the very brightest paste, and shine prodigiously. He is a most exemplary man: fuller of virtuous precept than a copy-book. Some people likened him to a direction-post, which is always telling the way to a place, and never goes there: but these were his enemies, the shadows cast by his brightness; that was all. His very throat is moral. You saw a good deal of it. You looked over a very low fence of white shirt, and there it lay, a valley between two jutting heights of collar, serene and whiskerless before you. It seemed to say, on the part of Mr. Obama, `There is no deception, ladies and gentlemen, all is peace, a holy calm pervades me.’ So did his hair, just grizzled with an iron-grey which was all brushed on his forehead, and stood bolt upright, or slightly drooped in kindred action with his heavy eyelids. So did his person which was sleek though free from corpulency. So did his manner, which was soft and oily in a word, even his plain black suit, and state of perfection and dangling phrases like “Let me be clear” or the most infamous “I will not rest”, all tended to the same purpose, and cried aloud, `Behold the moral Obama!

  242. AB says:

    Marty needs to stop mixing Prozac with his penicillin

  243. matinva says:

    I’m sorry, ladies and gentlemen, but if you voted for ‘Moonbeam’ Jerry Brown, you deserve what you get. That you voted for this clown, who admitted he had no clue what he was doing the first time around, is abject stupidity at its best. He is a liberal who thinks you can tax rich people to death, provide endless benefits for the poor and government employees and make it all work out…somehow. That is just clueless and all of the chickens are now coming home to roost. ‘Moonbeam’ has no more answers now than he had thirty years ago and you let a REAL reformer slip through your arthritic fingers. Good luck.

    1. What part of “extending the current taxes” do you people not understand? . The GOP doesn’t know how to compromise. It’s on them. I’m happy with the Moonbeam. I’ll take him every day of the week and twice on Sunday over the MEGalomaniac..

  244. driveby_poster says:

    Given the apparent age of Governor Relic, there can be little doubt of his ability to vividly recall such detail from the Civil War.

  245. STP says:

    Yes Jerry, there is a crisis and you liberals caused it all. Keep raising taxes and all you will have left in Calif is illegals and liberals. Good thing for you because they will keep voting you clowns in

  246. teapartydoc says:

    Burn, baby, burn. Funny. Forty years ago it was the whiners we listen to now that were saying that. Let ’em eat their words now.

  247. Black Eagle says:

    So, Jerry, how about backing down in your plans to create a Communist Islamic America? Then we won’t feel compelled to oppose it.

  248. Joe says:

    Gov Moonbeam complains about the republicans not helping him with the budget. Well paybacks a b-tch! He’s seeing the same thing that Arnold did, only the flip side. As to why should the California GOP help? They get nothing in return. ‘Libs’ wanted Moonbeam. They got him, they should be happy.

  249. HooDatIS? says:

    this dude is a looser….california make sure u vote him out next election okay
    u dont need no looney tune running the show
    visit my blog
    http://ethicalfutures.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/obama-announces-re-election-bid/

  250. Delane Levy says:

    My daughter got into UCLA and We went to BRUIN DAY two days ago. While on tour of campus, we were asked to leave because of a special group, called ab540 students. They were catering lunch for this group, offering lemonade and cookies, while the rest of us were ushered away. I asked my daughter “who is this ab540 students they are catering to?” she replied “they must be the really smart kids they are trying to whoo into UCLA” so on the way out of the building which they escorted us out…I asked them “who is this special group of ab540 students” And UCLA employees said “THESE ARE THE ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO got into UCLA that we have to cater to, bc they dont speak ENGLISH” THIS IS A TRUE STORY MY NAME IS DELANE LEVY

  251. Bill says:

    Waa, waa, waa. It wasn’t enough to win; now everybody has to agree with you. Is that how it’s going to be, Moonbeam?

  252. Kurtis Fechtmeyer says:

    #37 in road condition despite the weather. #30 (or lower) in public education. #40 (or lower) in accountability. But #2 in taxes ! 10% sales tax, 13 mils property tax, 10% income tax including capital gains.

    100% pure corruption and incompetence. Even FDR saw the corruption of public “unions”. My kid sits in a class with 30+ students, while some administrator drives away in a Mercedes, retired at 55 with 100K+/year and gold plated health care for the next 30+ years.

  253. AGmines says:

    Show me a Democrat that believes in uniting us?

  254. Happy Floridian says:

    Wow Jerry! I think you’re just reminiscing about your childhood from those days in the 1860’s. How old, outdated and out of touch can one liberal dipsh** be? I know, I know…the answer is very. But really, is it going to take a Japanese style earthquake to jolt these idiots like Brown, Pelosi, Feinstein and Boxer into reality? If I had even less than half a brain, I would get as far from these people as possible. Because maybe you’ll be sorry that you waited for that dose of reality to hit them before you decided, like an educated person should, to get the hell away from California!

  255. Delane Levy says:

    TWO DAYS AGO…My daughter and I went to Bruin DAY at U.C.L.A. She was accepted and we went to tour the campus. During one of the tours, we were asked to vacate a buidling. why? we wondered. They told us AB540 students had a catered taxpayer lunch, desert, and drinks along with speakers and translators of all kinds. We thought they must be Genius kids who UCLA was trying to whoo. When I asked they said “AB540 students are all the illegal aliens here who want a free education” When I meekly protested..UCLA employees said they value ALL HUMANS in the WORLD ..(with californias $$ they value them!)

  256. JJ says:

    This from a man who bought his political win………

  257. Howard Ino says:

    A simple question….

    Will families have more money to spend when taxes increase and unemployment remains at true levels close to 15% or rises?

    Can small business women and men invest in employees and building a business with increased taxes and high unemployment?

    Liberals believe so… Or perhaps they want a catastrophe so they can rebuild the US as a MARXIST State!

    Not out of the question… as that is the Aleinsky model.

  258. ADK says:

    Here we all are on CBS (Commie Broadcasting System) fighting over a Commie government running a state once built on designing airplanes to kill Commies. Go figure.

  259. Bob says:

    All of these comments show why California is failing. I suggest that we try something new like selling part of California to China. Perhaps they would forgive much of the American debt and California debt. I presume they would prefer the northern part, but perhaps they would buy it all. The current residents could be screened to see which would be acceptable to the Chinese. I presume some of the current residents would prefer to migrate eastward to remain American citizens, but I think that would be a matter for the rest of the country to approve at the ballot. We really don’t need an influx of parasites to the rest of the country.

    Signed three time resident of California and lucky emigree.

  260. JJ says:

    I’m sure he gave a nice amount to buy off the illegal alien who worked for Meg Whitman and Gloria Allred seemed much to happy to help him out …. Does he think people forget that?

  261. Frederic Webster says:

    JUST LIKE A DEMOCRAT, WON’T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ERRORS. HE GAVE THE UNIONS THEIR BUDGET BREAKING PENSIONS, HE ALSO WON’T FACE FACT THAT THE ILLEGALS IN THIS STATE ARE COSTING EVERY WORKER HERE IN THIS STATE MANY OF OUR PAYCHECKS AND WASTED TAXES

  262. UpChuck.Liberals says:

    A previous poster wants the PRK split. Hey Marty, news flash, if you think that NorCal will become your Socialist paradise, you’d best look at the election maps again. The ONLY liberal/Socialist area is ‘Frisco, which according to my guess doesn’t leave much.

    Moonbeam is in the great state of denial, he’s so attached to the Union Teat that he can’t let go. But then I’ve got the feeling his wife has something to do with it.

  263. marco says:

    Same old pretense that there’s no money, with trillions disappearing down invisible government rat holes, and going where? Lies and BS, that’s all you can hear from the so-called government.

  264. SteamedinMichigan says:

    This is truly funny! The liberals created “Class Warfare” – Now that the poor and “trodden upon” have grown in number, more and more hands are out – waiting for Momma Government to take from the “haves” and give to the “have nots”….take from the “evil ones” and give to the “less fortunate”. True, there are “less fortunate among us who need help – but the liberals have added to that group in a concerted effort to cement their continued existance – who doesn’t want more free stuff? Who doesn’t want free healthcare, free education, no need to pay taxes….let the evil rich people do it.

    Now, our politicians look in wonder at the ever swelling crowd that they built and cite the Civil War as being as polorized as today? Who the heck built this Class Warfare brick by brick? Liberals – you reap what you sow. The wild beasts that you raised from nothing are now hungry…..let’s see you tame them.

    The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money (Maggy Thatcher – I believe)

    1. Really? The GOP giving tax breaks to the wealthiest who do not create jobs. Last I heard, Paris Hilton was not passing out paychecks on Fridays. And letting B of A and GE get away with paying no taxes? And trying to gut unions – the institution that help create the middle class?

      Blaming society’s ills on liberals isn’t flying. People in Wisconsin, Ohio, etc. are seeing what the GOP is doing to the unions. And they don’t like it. They see that these governors want to balance the budgets on the backs of teachers, police officers, firefighters, etc.

      That’s OK though. I should thank Scott Walker. He did more to energize the base and labor more than George W. ever could.

  265. New York Nick says:

    It would behoove the leftists out there to chill and rethink whether or not they wanna pick an unwinnable all out knock down drag out fight with conservative hardcores in this country who you can rest assured include about 95% of the US military and law enforcement not to mention we heavily armed and trained citizenry out here from sea to shining sea..

    Just some food for thought, or in your cases crack for thought…. Not a smart move. Just chill out a little bit, bite the Union bullets and take the cuts because (A) we pay your salaries so we don’t work, we don’t pay taxes and you don’t get your checks and definitely will never see a pension in this lifetime.

    Were I you people I’d be down on my knees begging us not to end these unions and take it all away. We can do it, don’t you think we can’t. AGAIN Ultimately YOU WORK FOR US, not the other way around like you people seem to think the pecking order goes.

    So chill out, act humane, dont’ become public enemy number one like the WI Union Jamboree make many PUBLIC SECTOR Unions look in people’s eyes, do your part like we did bailing out your unions and what have you or end up with nothing and like it.

    1. Hmm….the same law enforcement you want to rob of their pension? I’m not so sure I would count on their support if I were you.

  266. IraqVet says:

    Thank God Moon Beam Brown is Kalifornias’ guvnor…Ewe elected him, he’s your problem now…I guess you just didn’t get enough of his incompetence the first time…Ba-baaa-baa…

  267. Smegley Wanxalot says:

    CA is run by leftist idiots. Glad I blew outta there.

  268. GG says:

    How would Jerry Brown know what the country was like during the Civil War? Just how old IS this guy???

  269. Gigi says:

    I would be grateful if we could remember that we are all Americans and express our views in respectful, non-critical terminology. California is difficult to govern but it is not ungovernable. It is a beautiful state populated by very useful, productive people. I do not perceive that California has more problems than many other states in the USA. I don’t know about the wisdom of splitting California into two states, but I certainly would not want to see anything done to California that would be damaging to either the state or the people of California. Can’t we all try to be a little more tolerant and live and let live? The Golden State will still be golden as long as we do nothing to tarnish her.

  270. Red Herring says:

    Gov Brown copies Pres Jimmy Carter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugZxfGsYAkY

    North Dakota awaits you, John Galt!

  271. cyberfreak says:

    What we need is an all out thermonuclear exchange with anybody, who willing to play the game. After when the dust settle, we can start from scratch and build a better Disneyland

  272. DBTRN says:

    I’ll sell my rock, I’ll sell my reel

  273. mondo says:

    The California legislature have acted like spoiled teenage money junkies, and the Governor needs to be the adult and take away their ATM card, (unending milking of the taxpayers). Smart cuts of all extraneous spending. If he’s afraid to call it a cut, call them “temporary freezes”. He could set a good example by cutting his own retirement plans, by say 50%. He’s got two as a former mayor, and as Governor. I don’t begrudge public employees sensible pay and retirement plans, but the days of the Cadillac compensation are over.

  274. Osamas Pajamas says:

    Stop paying taxes and buy guns and ammo — the bloodsxcking tax-eaters will riot — with government help.

  275. Harnes says:

    Sounds like the once and current Governor Jerry Brown is beginning to realize the federal government will not bail out California as it’s budget crashes. Then instead of facing the real problems he can just claim the evil GOP is making war on Democracy by not paying the bills his state is being buried under.

  276. Mondo says:

    And by the way, people in the private sector are actually losing their retirement packages, or having them severely reduced. They are being cut out of their health plans. Unlike State workers. That is the true benefit of public employment, they’ve always had added protections which should mean they compensate for that by operating at lower cost.

  277. Alice Polarbear says:

    The ideal would be to split California in half, LENGTHWISE!
    East California, mostly conservative and West California, the whole left coast. Those of us in the Central Valley would LOVE to get the Bay Area and L.A. out of our hair!

    1. Hand over your computer, iPhone, iPod/Pad, flash drives, etc, and we’re cool. Best of luck!

    2. DBTRN says:

      Amen Alice, but save Pismo and Morro Bay for an occasional drive on the beach.

  278. Tipi Rick says:

    As falls Cali, so falls the country. Stock up on water, food and guns. Prepare for the s to hit the fan in about 9 months. Lots of idiot liberals have to be culled out.

  279. Rick says:

    I’m still rooting for a quake to slide CA into the Pacific.

  280. Liberty Eagle says:

    The problem with California and the nation is like someone once famously said: “the problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money”… Coupe this entitlement/welfare problem with a warfare state.

    What we need now is to return to constitutional governance (limited government and no undeclared wars) and constitutional money (ie commodity based money such as gold and silver) or allow the system to collapse.

  281. Andrew P says:

    Break the unions, Jerry. Then balancing the budget becomes easy.

  282. upyours says:

    So why did you whiny dumba$$es leave the private sector?

  283. James says:

    Just b/c most people don’t support the president, doesn’t mean we’re “The most divided since the Civil War”. Dump the Hyperbole Jerry

  284. magnoliabel says:

    Jerry Brow is right, this country is on the brink of another civil war.

    61% of all jobs in this country are government jobs or government contractor jobs.

    43,000 taxpaying mfg. companies moved overseas taking 34 million taxpaying jobs.

    Marxism doesn’t work and it will cause another civil war.

  285. zef says:

    Good debate, but I have to set the record straight about something, I used to live in SoCal, then I move to Berlin to be with my girl in 2002, and the EU is not the leftist socialist welfare state that many of you make it out to be, yes there is natl health care, but it’s split between employee and employer, the latter paying most of it, yes there is a state pension who’s funds are payroll deducted, but nobody expects to live of that when they retire, it’s 9.95€ that’s $14.35 per month, that’s a joke, so you best believe I have an IRA that I pay privately, yes there are lefties in the Govt, but they mostly pay lip service, the opposition to them is HUGE, not to forget, Germany was divided politically for 40 years between east and west, only the easties vote for the lefties because that’s what they were used to, ignorance is bliss right, so this notion that many Americans have that the Govt’s over here are marxist is simply wrong, sure they try, but mostly they fail, and as a matter of fact, many EU member state have moved to the right politically, that’s why many lazy lefty anarchist types riot and demonstrate against everything from gentrification to tourism, the party is over for freeloaders over here, so people need to do away with this misconception, some of the most formerly liberal and left leaning EU members have had enough, e.g., Sweden: first time in history right wing party is in parliament, France: new strict anti-immigration laws, Holland: major backlash against muslim demogogs,
    Switzerland: ban on minarets for mosques, just to name a few, and about smoking, the wild hair up the a** of many Dems and libs back home, well here in Germany you can still smoke in a pub, and the trash bins on street corners have ashtrays, wow, is that progressive? not according to folks back home, i.e., West Hollywood, where it is now illegal to smoke while walking the street, pure madness, so for the record, Europe is actually more like the US used to be back in the good old days, when it was more about sense, which the US seems to have lost, it appears to me that the Dem-Lib-Left is trying to make out of the US what the EU used to be, so I guess the political movements come and go in cycles, as for Gerry Brown, no idea, maybe he’s changed, people tend to become more conservative as they get older, but politics is politics.

    @A Real American

    You’re also part of what’s wrong dude, as a matter of fact it’s that kind of righty rhetoric that fuels the linky fire and you play right into their hands, just a tip.

  286. robert g says:

    Yes the country is divided and when the revolution start the liberal environmentalist and food police will be the first ones up against the wall.

  287. Robert says:

    Love the continual page refreshes as I watched the video.

  288. Kalifornian says:

    I m also a student of history. After all these years I have come to realize that any politician with a “D” before their name is a enemy of this country.

  289. Netscanner says:

    I’m a conservative and I support you plan Governor Brown, but locally it’s the liberals who have all said no – no cuts – no givebacks.

    People have to be 67 for full retirement on Social Security, public safety employees – police, fire, correctional officers and many more – locally and at the sate are level are retiring at age 50 with 90 percent of their final pay for life and many also have COLA protection. Ridiculous!

  290. tgagfor2 says:

    If the left would cease its efforts to shove it’s (lack of) moral values down the throats of Americans, perhaps the crises would dissappear. So-called progressives like to blame “religious” people for attempting to prostelyze the rest of society; however, this is exactly what the left has been doing for years. Brainwashing children in the public schools, preaching political correctness as the answer to societal ills, equating some idiotic notion of “social justice” as the new gospel we all must accept., and preaching that the government is the solution to all of our problems. The list goes on and on. I get it that liberals as a group hate God and want nothing to do with Him. Do liverals “get it” that most religgious conservatives hate big government and the humanist religion that they espouse and want nothing to do with either, as well? Ours is not merely an economic crises; America faces a moreal and religious divide that is growing wider and deeper by the day as liberals launch ever more strident attacks on people of faith who are largely skeptics in favor of smaller government, accountability, and fiscal as well as personal discipline.

  291. merk47 says:

    Time is up. Have your say. The dynamics of economics will settle all this. Our Republic will be a small footnote in the pages of history. No country can sustain the level of debt that has already been incurred. We did ourselves in by allowing the welfare folks to vote in a leadership that will give them what they need in return for their vote. The thin veneer of civilization will disappear when the grocery trucks stop showing up at the super market and the govt bribes stop showing up in the mail.

  292. JS says:

    Congratulations, Jerry. You really are the master of the obvious. Now, if you could actually identify the reason for this great division in our country, maybe I could have some [tiny] amount of respect for you. Of course, asking a liberal to correctly identify a cause-and-effect relationship is like asking a mental patient why he’s in the asylum…

    In particular, shifting our Republic to a communist/socialist system is not only a ‘regime crisis,’ as you so quaintly put it, but a Constitutional crisis. And you don’t expect that that will divide the country, you “student of history,” you? So once again, the typical liberal attitude: “the fight started when the conservatives hit me back…” Technically accurate in a very narrow sense, but still a lie when looked at in context.

    Cutting government programs is not enough. We simply have to ELIMINATE all government programs that are not specified by the Constitution. Yes ALL of them. And the tears will flow, and the Earth will warm, and the sniveling parasites will pull upon our heart-strings and come up with new, never-before-used comparisons to evil, etc. etc. But in a few years, after the more violent ones are dealt with, we as a Nation will be prosperous again.

    Benjamin Franklin once said that when people realize they can vote themselves money from the public treasury, our system will collapse. Generosity. That was the conservatives mistake, and we are now dealing with a class of people who demand charity. Charity, when taken by force, becomes theft.

  293. BOB FROM ACCOUNT TEMPS says:

    mr brown – how much of my earnings should the federal, state, county and city take in direct taxes as well as extra “fees”? how much should i get to keep as my allowance? please, you and the other moon beams need to let us know.

  294. HarlanR says:

    Since both The Supposedly Reverend Jackson and Guv Moonbeam are using the Civil War analogy, I thought I’d remind them that, in that time, the Koo Klucks Klowns were founded as the terrorist arm of the DEMOCRATIC party.

  295. mike says:

    Why would any American think that Obama and his team of thugs could run the country, they did run it, and into the ground, get rids of them once and for all. Jefferson was totally correct.

  296. CGMan says:

    JB: “I did propose 12 points of pension reform.”

    And I “proposed” World Peace, but didn’t get it. Typical political speak BS.

  297. John says:

    If Americans were smart enough to say “No” to renewing the APEC trade treaty with Asia, Americans could get back to work causing more workers to pay in tax. Even at lower percentage level than we pay today our states budgets would correct themselves. Only fools believe that continuing to buy foreifn goods is good for the American economy.

  298. J Ruben KIncaid says:

    A little secession should help.

  299. Faber McMullen says:

    The tensions present in our country today are somewhat the same as those leading up to the Civil War. The intrusion and grabbing by the central government are unprecedented. This is unacceptable to many of us who desire to live in a country where we are free to be whatever we can be without government plundering our wealth and distributing it to others to receive votes from the recipients. It is about two very different philosophies of life and liberty. .

  300. Bob A says:

    The ONLY thing that can save this country is another civil war. The gun is the only thing these facist liberals respect!

  301. Joe says:

    Yeah Brown, Your an a**hole as are your democrat friends. In fact, so are the republican blowhards that support your games. Your destroying the country and our state.
    Clearly Arnold showed the people just what you politicians are by releasing the former speakers son from his murder conviction sentence. Your carb people are just as evil .

  302. JR says:

    Arguing who has it worse, private or public is besides the point. What it really comes down to is that having any form of government worker is supposed to be for the benefit of EVERYONE in the state, not just to benefit the worker themselves. Which means, if it takes 10 people to do a job, you hire 10. You don’t hire 15 because it makes things easier. You also don’t hire anyone at all if the job isn’t vital in times of economic crisis for the state. You don’t give them cushier benefits than the private sector, and if the definition of ‘necessary’ changes, then so do the number of workers and the benefits that they receive. Because the point in government is not to be an employer, it’s to run a state.

    And what you really don’t do on a state level is to feed the government so that it can create programs that provide votes for politicians, at the expense of the very same people that you claim to serve.

    As a former CA native for over four decades, I lived the life of the middle class, struggling to make ends meet with a high cost of living, from housiing, to gas, to taxes taxes taxes. I always paid MORE for state taxes than for federal. Barely making it with a family income over six figures, we were finally driven from the state. And looking always for some sort of light at the end of the tunnel during that time, time and again hope was dashed by some clueless group of yahoos in Sacramento, legislating more and more of my dollars away for some feelgood program. Or some special interest group using the proposition process to vote itself money from a huge contingent of the population who doesn’t seem tounderstand that what they’re voting for is to spend more and more, without thought to what is already going out.

    Keep doing this and eventually you DO run out of other people’s money. We left the state heavily in debt and went to a place with lower taxes, lower cost of living, and financially recovered.

    California has a population of around 36 million. The ANNUAL deficit is around 28 BILLION right now. Almost a billion per person. Wrap your brain around that …that is completely unsustainable. If CA was a private business, it would have filed for bankruptcy by now.

    Draconian cuts have got to be made in order to ensure it’s survival. People have to stop arguing sacred cows and get real about the situation. No more time left to fob this off on another generation, there is no more time left.

    Do it and you can recover. Don’t do it and you’re going under. People can argue for their personal pet concerns, but the numbers are real, they don’t lie, and you are almost at the time where it’s goign to come crashing down and true insolvency occurs, and then who will you blame?

    Fix it now while you still have a short period of time to have a c hoice in what to cut. Spend your time uselessly aruging about how it shouldn’t be this way, and meanwhile the debt interest is growing. If you do nothing, eventually it’s going to decide for you and you lose everything.

  303. jimmy in nc says:

    It has become a crisis – since the conservatives have started asking questions.

  304. Brian says:

    Gee Gerry, you finally figured it out huh? CBS finally had the courage to report this fact. Look at WHO is leading the Nation, WHO lead the Nation into this position! This is something I saw back in 2000 and was correctly reported on BirdsEyeView and the defunct Newsmax forum. Unless ‘Americans’ take charge of this Nation, it’s Civil War that will befall this Nation, it will be Balkanization.

  305. Constitution First says:

    Can’t imagine why anyone would object to turning a free and independent Republic into a Marxist hell-hole?

    Or could it just be that Jerry Brown smokes too much dope?

  306. apetrula says:

    Brown won election through a fiercely misogynistic campaign against one of this nation’s most accomplished female entrepreneurs and executives.

    He’s a hypocrite, and a fraud, six ways to Sunday.

  307. ThatGuy says:

    Once again, Democrats with control of both sides of a legislature and the executive are attempting to blame Republicans for their inaction.

    Are voters really stupid enough to buy this? Apparently at least 53.8% of them (the ones who voted Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown back into office) are.

  308. JF Democrat says:

    Governor Moonbeam ought to know. He’s beein around about that long.

  309. Gus says:

    I think Jerry Brown is correct that this country is as divided as during the Civil War because we still have “slavery” like conditions when you think about it.In the time of slavery, you had the slave master who provided housing, clothing,food and medical care etc. that was actually required by law and the slave or indentured servant would provide labor.Today we have government Welfare that provides housing, clothing, food medical care(medicaid) etc and the recipient doesn’t even have to provide labor.So in reality, the only thing that has changed is the “SLAVE” owner.The government is now the new “slave master.”

  310. sirandrew says:

    A very serious division exists today,thanks to the liberal Democrats.The ones who pay the taxes and those that receive from taxes.
    The Democrats ,to establish a voting base,is energizing the takers and it is now us against them attitude that prevails .

  311. vikram sanchez says:

    illegal aliens and their children bankrupting the state

    1. Doug Clement says:

      no, that isnt the cause. it’s the continued transfer of wealth from the have nots to the haves so that we will eventually be a country just like Mexico. Meaning that we will have the filthy rich and the starving poor. And I doubt that anyone on here is part of the filthy rich. They want to take away every oppurtunity for you to get ahead in life. Wake up

  312. aubreyfarmer says:

    People hate government for a good reason. America is becoming a fascist state. This conflict is by design. Divide and conquer. It is the Zionists causing the problems. They own the media, control the money supply and have bribed and intimidated Congress into doing things which are harmful to the people they are elected to represent.

    1. Doug Clement says:

      lol..right, blame the jews. Dont you think that’s a bit played out? I mean, get another song and dance for your failed existance

  313. vikram sanchez says:

    btw- it’s not really a civil war…it’s a foreign invasion being facilitated by traitors inside the gates

  314. Neo says:

    The so called “democratic institutiions” in Amerika are corrupt and need to be torn down. THe revolution is coming and not from the moribund, brain dead left,

  315. aubreyfarmer says:

    In the town of Aubrey, Texas with approximately 2000 residents, our city Secretary makes $90k + a year and has her daughter on the payroll as court clerk and her husband is a captain on the fire department. We are being robbed blind and the city council goes along with it because I believe they are being blackmailed by the city secretary. I can’t prove this, but I did discover through a Public Info Request that the city is paying the previous mayor $2k a month for consulting fees and there is nothing I can do about it because of the way the law is written. So don’t tell me that city employees are trustworthy. Everywhere I look there is criminal behavior. City builds a new library and it winds up in a subdivision the mayor has under development. I could go on, but you get the picture.

  316. John Galt says:

    So Jerry, you can’t fix the problems. Too bad you didn’t tell us during the campaign.

  317. RobertG says:

    Gee the governor has a grasp of the obvious.

  318. MichaelEdits says:

    Civil War metaphors might sound kinda nutty at first, but we’ve been very divided since the appointment of President Uniter Dubya by the Supreme Court.

  319. Shawn Mercer says:

    His 12 point plan is a joke and anyone that speaks english knows it. He is still pandering to the uninformed.

  320. ra44mr2 says:

    Yea except this time they arent trying to free slaves the democrats are trying to make slaves of us all.

  321. mrsharfer says:

    The problem is that the elite liberals have put back water liberals in the same position as slaves in our country’s early history. Liberals and slaves both look to have their every need satisfied by someone else. In this case the government. After the Civil War, tens of thousands of slaves died because they couldn’t take care of themselves. Maybe we will luck out and the same thing will happen to liberals when the revolution comes. We will have control of the government to bring it back to size, we will have the guns and libs will continue aborting themselves. There may be “Hope & Change” after all!

    1. Doug Clement says:

      Wow..with thinking like this it’s no wonder America is a lost cause

  322. Kee Barclay says:

    Of course we’re devided. That’s what happens when you elect a radical Marxist as president!

    1. Doug Clement says:

      Radical marxist? lol

      Another racist white honkey terrified by the fact that he will be a minority within 50 years

  323. Fred C. Dobbs says:

    Jerry Brown! Jerry Brown! He’s the clown with his pants hanging down!
    VOTE NO on his tax scam! Only a fool votes to raise taxes!

  324. MikeinTexas says:

    Liberals look at conservatives and wonder what are they thinking. Conservatives look at liberals and wonder how they can think that way. Apparently we now. know that liberals have a genetic anomaly that affects them. This was determined by Harvard and UC San Diego – not exactly conservative think tanks. So liberals need to take a pill or something because how they think makes no sense.

    http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/weird/Scientists-May-Have-IDd-Liberal-Gene-105917218.html

  325. kcorey says:

    Start with kicking the money sucking illegal aliens out of the state of California. They are draining social services and comitting fraud on any welfare program they can get money from so that, what is the count today – 150, 200? hospitals have gone out of business and AMERICANS who really need help can’t get it because there is no damn money – it’s gone to illegals!

    Then the flat tax – INSTITUTE IT AND USE IT! Every one pays, not just people who work, but people who choose to sit on their ass and not work. By the way, anyone getting welfare should be drug and alcohol tested before they get their check – it they are positive – they get NOTHING and are removed from the welfare rolls. If the Obama socialism/liberals feel sorry for them, let them open THEIR pockets and support these losers.

  326. Duude says:

    California deserves default. California voters earned this right when they elected Brown and a majority liberal legislative body. So what is it?Tax remaining business out of California or make significant reform with pensions? Brown and the democrat party are clear. They want to send business packing.

  327. ONTIME says:

    Jerry Brown has a aconflict not unlike a civil war in his head, this is evidenced by the fact when he speaks his head is always changing shape and the words that escape are made up of anything but commonsense….confront the unions that made you Jer and your life will become more focused.

  328. BlownfuelCoupe says:

    Jerry Brown says, “Vote for me and everyone, everwhere, will receive everthing, always”, until it’s obviously not possible.

    Tthen he whines, “People are telling me “NO!”,…. the nerve of the cruel.

  329. david aims says:

    THis isnt about liberals vs republicans. Im neither. let stop making it about which political football team you are on. this is about government wrecking our economy. Its basic economics that the more you tax the more you destroy the economy. and yes the borrowing of the government is a tax, its a tax via inflation, and since it has to be paid back we get taxed on that, and we get taxed again when the interest payments have to be made

    The problem we have here at the state and at the federal level are the governments doing too much doing more than what they were mandated to do. the bottom line is the government lives off the people, the government has gotten so big it cannot sustain its current level of activity. And the bigger it gets the more it wants to tax, and fine, and fee, and pull over and ticket you. (i now understand why the colonists rebelled against the crown, the bigger it gets the more it wants to take, and the more oppressive it becomes when its taking)

    My point is, the government is wayyyy too big. it needs to be cut, people need to sit back and think about what the government really must be doing for them. the government should only do what you decide is absolutely necessary, nothing more(i think the constitution says this pretty clearly). and sure the economy can handle the individuals being taxing a little, but that still doesnt make it right.

  330. Steve Johnson says:

    Maybe it’s time to split the country in two, let the Liberals and socialists live in one half and the rest of us will live in the other. I guarantee you in 25 years the socialist half will be bankrupt and starving while the rest of us will be just fine, thriving and growing thanks to the virtues of the individual being responsible for his or her actions. Government was never meant to help people, that’s what charities, church organizations and families were for. Government is supposed to defend the country from it’s enemies and keep the infrastructure intact. Period.

  331. S.LYNN says:

    Brown, your in over your head–! Calif. is tanking because– because you started this whole mess to begin with. Your are in the pockets for the Union’s thug’s and now whining– “LOL” do your job. Stop blaming the Conservatives, you play dirty, you lie, cheat and a entitlement junkie. No one likes you on the right, and blaming us again will only hurt your more. You want fiscal responsibility: start with your “Mexican invader’s” they have this state by the “cajone’s in welfare” and voter fraud: Next go after calper’s which is completely corrupt: That’s what you need to do, it sucks to be a sell-out, your choice, your problem !!!!

  332. Joseph Durocher says:

    Here’s a prediction: if gas prices and the federal debt continue rising between now and the summer of 2012, there will be referendum questions on secession in a number of the Red States. In Texas – where the federal government’s failure to protect the border seriously handicaps that state’s efforts to operate in the black – secession is increasingly coming to be seen as a lesser evil than maintaining the union and the status quo.

  333. vikram sanchez says:

    Sad….Jerry Brown had to be elected. Meg Whitman was far more intelligent, creative, and had real solutions to offer…but…sigh….she forced her maid to break into the country illegally, take $25.00/hour to do her dishes, and forced her to steall hundreds of thousands of dollars from the state to educate and medicate her five illegal children. Gloria Allred said Meg was mean, so that was it. Thank God the media did it’s job prior to the election and focused solely on this critical issue..

  334. RufusVonDufus says:

    Brown is an “effing” liberal idiot who has done his part in making our country what is has turned into–a pot of money sucking welfare pimps and hos. Brown gave the unions in California everything he could in order to secure their vote and now is going to pay but first he will blame the rest of us. Brown, you suck!

  335. Duude says:

    Jerry brown has both the legislature and the state senate in liberal hands. They have total power, and yet he blames this on Republicans. Where have we seen this before?

  336. GoPoundBrownSand says:

    Here’s a “novel idea Brown”, go to Mexico and ask them to help bail-out California, since that’s where all our money is going,,,, you loser”

    That’s see here folk’s, Brown’s only been the Gov. for 6 month’s and already he’s whining about the Conservatives etc; you really are a freaking loser, and look at what this once beautiful state has become — a barrio of entitlement “Cry Babies” the corrupted Union Calpers and the Mexican invader’s,,,! Got’ta hand to you liberal’s, you really know how to leech., and your not worth the effort to argue with– there will be no” helping here”, nothing will change except the amount of Pennie’s left in our pocket’s!!!! FACT: These liberal’s will never get-it’, they live in a “entitlement fog” taking, and taking until there’s nothing, which is where we’re at now. And all of America just laughs at us. No one care’s about California anymore. Brown won’t do what he needs to be done, because he’s an entitlement junkie also!!!!

  337. DarrelB says:

    To blame Republicans for anything in California is laughable. The liberals have had total control of California since 1992. Is there one single state-wide Republican office holder? I’m not sure but I don’t think so. To watch Jerry Brown blame Republicans has no credibility at all.

  338. TheRandyGuy says:

    Like Mike above, I own a business that employs 6 people and grossed just under $900,000 last year. My net after all business expenses (employee salary, equipment, supplies, rent, insurance) and taxes (fed, state, and local) was around $140,000. I could easily double my income by moving to Nevada or Arizona. I will do just that within 5 years. California legislators, over the years, have confused “nice” with “necessary.” Well, look at where we are now. The Governor said “The legitimacy of our very democratic institutions are in question.” He’s right, because of the leftist ideology that requires enormous amounts of tax dollars to be implemented. We have had enough.

  339. Smitty says:

    Moonbeam was so stoned during the 60s that he failed to notice how “divided” we were then.

  340. GoPoundBrownSand says:

    That’s the problem with Cop’s and Firemen, you have an honorable job– but your entitlement attitude’s– takes away the shine! Sorry’ but, you choose to do that job and telling someone who’s in arm’s way, I won’t help you because your not supporting my entitlement or retirement fund? That’s pathetic, and a big slap in my face, because I can no longer afford my property TAXES: It can go both way’s, let’s back-up the train, and start working together. This is not the America we need to be living-in. On both side’s,,,,! I want us all to live in peace, don’t you?

  341. Charles Shonkwiler says:

    Jerry Brown was too young the first time and he’s too old this time. 600,000 + dead, cities burned to the ground, battles on US soil I don’t think so. Governor Brown is over his head like the last time.

  342. Dave Cook says:

    George Wallace wasn’t right about much, but he got this right:

    “There’s not one dime’s worth of difference in the two parties. If you put all of the Republican leaders in a good cotton-picking sack with the Democrats, shake ‘em up and let the first one drop out, you’d stick ‘im right back in ‘cause there’s no difference.”

  343. W.K. says:

    California Performance

    In my article, “Budget Issues”, dated 2/16/11, I referred to the “California Performance Review” (CPR) recommendations but did not summarize because of space limitations. The 2004 CPR report aligns programs by function, consolidates services and abolishes entities. It discontinues 117 organizations, creates 11 mega departments and provides 15 major proposals which have the largest fiscal savings. The total savings was estimated at $ 32 billion. The 11 mega departments are: Commerce and Consumer Protection, Correctional Services, Education and Workforce Preparation, Environmental Protection, Food and Agriculture, Health and Human Services, Infrastructure, Labor and Economic Development, Natural Resources, Public Safety and Homeland Security, and Veterans Affairs. Click on “GOOGLE” for details.
    There was no problem funding education, health and human services (EHHS). Why did politicians “scuttle the CPR”? Ans: keep EHHS an issue, and “business as usual” for raising taxes again.
    Potential shut down needed?

  344. Real change in 2012 says:

    That’s what you get for electing a politician as governor instead of a business woman.

    You liberals and independents in California are fools and are getting what you deserve. Just don’t try and stick the rest of the country with the bill or you’ll really have a civil war on your hands.

  345. W.K. says:

    Hi: Julia, Submitted for your editorial consideration. Thank you.
    Werner Koch
    3196 Rogers Dr.
    Cambria, CA 93428
    PH: 927-9345

    California Performance In my article, “Budget Issues”, dated 2/16/11, I referred to the “California Performance Review” (CPR) recommendations but did not summarize because of space limitations. The 2004 CPR report aligns programs by function, consolidates services and abolishes entities. It discontinues 117 organizations, creates 11 mega departments and provides 15 major proposals which have the largest fiscal savings. The total savings was estimated at $ 32 billion. The 11 mega departments are: Commerce and Consumer Protection, Correctional Services, Education and Workforce Preparation, Environmental Protection, Food and Agriculture, Health and Human Services, Infrastructure, Labor and Economic Development, Natural Resources, Public Safety and Homeland Security, and Veterans Affairs. Click on “GOOGLE” for details.
    There was no problem funding education, health and human services (EHHS). Why did politicians “scuttle the CPR”? Ans: keep EHHS an issue, and “business as usual” for raising taxes again.
    Potential shut down needed?

  346. firstviceroy says:

    You’re obviously a liberal trying to portray yourself as something else. Nice try but it’s obvious. As what you stated above is only what a liberal/socialist/democrat claim to be fighting against. The truth is most conservatives and republicans want freedom less restrictions our borders enforced, our laws enforced and no more freebies to a chosen few. What is so interesting is that I find deep down most liberals are not only racists but hypocrites as well. They project their inner racism onto others hoping that it will absolve them of their own sick thoughts. Please no more taxes, no more money to the unions who then in turn feed it back to the democrats and no more money to people who come here illegally. Don’t let the racist democrats and their cohorts known as La Raza continue the Latin american invasion simply because they are of the proper race. The Laws that apply to Europeans, Asians, Africans, and anyone else must be applied to Latinos as well, with no exceptions. So I welcome all people who emigrate here legally. I know it is a difficult process but well worth it. To those unions that allow everyone to upgrade to captain their last year before retirement , well it is just adding to the problem. To those fireman in Orange county making over $500,000 a year, your days of gaming the system are coming to an end. To all the others in this California society that rely solely on Government largess, your days are numbered as well. Finally, to those Democrats that can’t see the damage they have done over the last 30 plus years of controlling the legislature, whose quest is based on guilt or to be noble with other peoples money, I wish you complete and total failure.

  347. NorCalPatriot says:

    What part of “conflict of interest” don’t you union supporters understand?

    OK… watch my lips (I’ll go slow for those educated in public schools).

    Union worker in private industry works for management,
    Management negotiates with union for wages, benefits, etc…
    If management negotiates poorly, management loses their job.
    If negotiated cost of labor is excessive, company profits fall, and company goes out of business.
    If company goes under, both union labor and management are out of work.

    Union worker in the State of California works for ELECTED management.
    Elected management negotiates with union for wages, benefits, etc…
    If elected management negotiates poorly and union workers are rewarded, then union will support the re-election of management, including donations to campaign.
    Elected management then justifies increasing their own compensation.
    If the increased union AND management costs are too high, elected management simply raises taxes, fees, licenses, etc…

    Public service unions offer big financial incentives and large blocks of votes to the very people that they negotiate with.
    If cost of labor is excessive, management raises their own compensation

  348. suibne says:

    Send all thank you notes to the moron in the white house for starting ww III. Of course, it’s what he wanted. Gas a 5$. Unions beating up anyone who stands in their way. 14.5 TRILLION DOLLAR DEPT. Illegal aliens swarming across the border. Black muslims threatening white voters. Our medical industry and insurance industry destroyed. American agents murdered in America. Israeli existence threatened as a matter of public record. Inflation. Food shortages, body searches of children at airports, manipulation of media, silencing critics, useless schools…….there’s more of course……SEND ALL THANK YOU LETTERS TO B. OBAMA.
    Suibne

  349. Bob in Merced CA says:

    I think for once perhaps the first time I agree with Jerry Brown. The country is devided and getting more so each and every day. I was hoping to see a revolution at the ballot box in Nov or 2012 but I am becoming more convinced we will see a civil war first.
    Obama is unable to come up with one program or policy without pitting one group of American against antoher froup. He has to make someone the bad guy, evil. It is always someone elses fault someone else to blame. Never ever an attitude of Ameirica and Americans first. He picks his Sec and appointees based on race, sex, sexual prererince, nationality, religion anything but who is best suited ot serve.
    He and Holder remind me of the Dixie Democrats running down blacks, seperate but equal. Every time they open their mouths I see George Wallace, a rebel flag thought pattern.

  350. CycleGuy says:

    The country IS divided, so lets do the smart thing and split it up. Let them have the Conservative States of America with no abortions allowed, a state religion and perpetual war. The rational people can move to the Liberal States of America where you, your son or daughter can marry who they wish, where we have a single payer health plan and maybe a political system not born in a world where letter traveling by ship or horse back was the quickest means of communication.

  351. LR says:

    It’s nice to see that Jerry Brown, good friend of Rev. Jimmy Jones, is still walking free after sending dozens of orphans to live in Jonestown.

  352. Doug Clement says:

    when will this country wake up and realize that it’s the corporations, along with the republicans, who want to bleed the middle class dry and take away every option to get ahead? here’s a tip: no one gets ahead in life all by himself. eventually, you will have to ask for help. Even Bill Gates asked for help.

    The brainless lemmings of this country are brainwashed by fast food and right wing nonsense to believe that it’s the people asking for help that is the problem when it’s really the corporations and the republicans. It’s really dispicable to blame those who are less fortunate, you are the worst aspect of American society. Do you really want to go back to the era of the great depression?

    oh well..I’ve given up long ago.

  353. Crack Monkey says:

    I worked as a software consultant in Sacramento for several years. State agencies are full of useless dead weight. I have seen incredible waste. I’ve even seen public employees including attorneys stealing gas from the county motor pool. You could save billions by eliminating all the do nothing state employees. Not all the state people were worthless. There are some very smart and good people working in Sacramento. The problem is that there are too many stupid and lazy people in the state employee just waiting to collect that pension.

  354. Cheryl says:

    A Real American: EVER BEEN SICK! EVER NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET OUT OF BED BECAUSE THE PAIN IS SO BAD THAT YOU JUST CAN’T STAND IT!! HOW DARE YOU! DO NOT LUMP, WE THE DISABLED, IN WITH ILLEGAL ALIENS. Just remember fool, someday you may be sick or disabled as well, through no fault of your own!

    You do realize too that your comments here are racist. Such as this comment: “As for the illegal immigrants, gays, disabled and those aren’t white, we should gather them on all on a big boat, send it across the ocean and sink it halfway.”

    Shame on you. You need a good old fashioned butt whipping from your Momma! Obviously you missed the lessons on compassion. How dare you compare disabled folks to those who are gay, illegal, and non-white? Like what the heck are you on? I happen to be a LEGAL CITIZEN with roots going back to the American Indians, and I even had family that came here on the Mayflower! I was born and raised in the country. I worked while I could, but then became disabled, not by choice. I would rather be working. To say you’d like to sink us all halfway out in the ocean is absurd! Ever known someone with a disability? Granted some can work and obtain employment, but not all of us can. I am quite thankful for my disability check each month. If it weren’t for that I’d be on the streets, but I guess you’d rather the sick live on the streets and die anyways. By the way, do your parents collect SS payments and Medicare? How about your grandparents? Guess they should all sink in that boat with the disabled. How you can lump the elderly and disabled with people who are gay and people who are here illegally is beyond me. They don’t even compare! By the way, I hope you NEVER EVER EVER GET TO RECEIVE SS, MEDICARE OR ANYTHING ELSE WHEN YOU GET OLD, OR IF YOU GET SICK, OR GET HURT AND WORK AND BECOME PERMANENTLY DISABLED TO THE POINT THAT YOU CANNOT WORK!!! LET’S SEE HOW YOU FEEL THEN!!!

    Be glad I have control because what was going thru mind to tell you was no where near as nice as this posting is. As far as I am concerned YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!! AND NO I AM NOT LIBERAL!!! However, I do believe in taking care of our elderly and disabled.

    We should not be allowing people on disability who have illicit drug addictions or those who are alcoholics. No one forced them into those choices. They shouldn’t be entitled to disability. I worked for years while fighting SS for disability. Finally got the point that I couldn’t work at all. This was after caring for a special needs child and a dying husband for years.

    Want another way to help SS, stop sending SS checks out of the country to people who are NOT American citizens. Bet you didn’t know that with many countries around the world if these people come here and work for just 30 days LEGALLY, when they hit retirement age they are able to choose either from their home country’s retirement, if it’s even got one, or they can choose to collect SS. Work 30 days, collect SS the rest of your life when you get old. Bet you think that’s OK though so long as they are white eh? I know some very nice people of all ethnic backgrounds, some are disabled, some work their butts off, but you’d like to put all them in a boat and sink them too simply because they are not white. That is called DISCRIMINATION!! Ever heard of the word?

    You are mighty quick to judge those whom you know nothing about. I can agree with you that we need to do something about these illegals that keep coming here. Putting them in a boat and sinking half-way out in the ocean is not my idea of the way to handle things though. How about we just start deporting them ALL, with their Anhcor Babies in tow, and send them back where they came from. How about the Feds just start enforcing Federal Law. I think these are much more just solutions than to sink everyone who is frail, gay, or illegal or NOT white in the ocean.

    Kind of sounds like the ideology of a group of people call Neo-Nazi’s, who believe in nothing but the Arian race. So if you’re not White with blond hair and blue eyes, I guess you best join the rest of us in that boat!

  355. Life, Liberty and ... you better know the rest says:

    To all the people with brains. Do not fight with idiots, you will not prevail anyway. Just start paying attention to the LAW of the land. Read the Constitution. Carry a copy with you at all times(you can get it for 30c at nccs.net).

    Use CASH only, that would give instant raise of about 3-4% to everybody.. Credit cards are funding banks and the misery that they orchestrate. Educate yourself which tax is unlawful and find a way to deal with it.
    Rich people mostly rich not because of dividends, but because they clearly understand which tax is unconstitutional and use existing tools to avoid them

    Ever thought about forming your personal LLC?

    Federal Income Tax = 30% average
    Social Security INCOME Tax=15.5%
    State Income Tax=10%
    State Other Income taxes = 4.5%
    State Worker Compensation Tax=10% average
    Federal Inflation Tax = 5%
    State Sales Tax =9%
    TOTAL = 84%

    Add to that all other garbage like house, licenses, utilities… and you have nothing left. HELLO!!! Anybody can do the math out there?

  356. Commander IsBe says:

    All mindless dribble.
    Your Great US allows Corporations with billions of dollars a year in sales to PAY NOTHING IN FEDERAL TAXES! NOTHING! General Electric, Annheiser Bush are just a couple of names most of you will recognize.
    DEMPublican’s can rant and rave all they want.
    But, the fact is you and your vote mean nothing now.
    You vote for 1 of 2 candidates and call yourselves free?????
    The Supreme Court has recognized corporations as “living” entities, in effect, and will allow them to give directly to the DEMPublican party candidates unlimited amounts of money – this includes foreign based corporations.
    You mean NOTHING. Your vote means NOTHING.
    And, you keep on arguing about nothing, calling each other names about nothing.
    In the mean time your totally corrupt leaders continue to strangle you in every way and you do NOTHING.

  357. toray99 says:

    Why should people that do not have a pension fund state workers pensions ?
    I think people should fund their own retirement and not have slaves fund it for them.

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